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Old 05-31-2008, 11:59 AM   #1  
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I have finally decided on a panny but Iím stuck at the dreaded 1080p/720p decision . The viewing area I will have will be 8 to 10 feet for movies, sports and general programming. So off I went to my local brick and mortar store to take a look. Well I stood about 8 feet back looking at the 50PZ80U AND 50PX80U which were next to each other and I couldnít tell the difference with my 40 year old eyes. Now before you tell me this is a no brainer I just want to make sure I wont be missing something if I donít get the 1080p set. Sears has the 50PX80U for $1300.00, which is a grand less , then the 50PZ80U. If there is an advantage to get the 1080p version I would like to here why. How does blue ray look on a 720p set?
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I'd say if all you are ever going to do is to watch TV on the set, save the money.

If there is even the slightest chance you will play games or attach a computer, then you might consider the 1080p version.
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Old 05-31-2008, 12:46 PM   #3  
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I'd say if all you are ever going to do is to watch TV on the set, save the money.

If there is even the slightest chance you will play games or attach a computer, then you might consider the 1080p version.
I would have to agree with rbinck. With 1080p, you really don't see the difference until you get greater than 60-70 inches (projector screen size) and even then some people might not notice the difference. During my college years (hehe, I actually just graduated, so I found that funny ), and this was actually the last 3 semesters, my roommate had a projector that was capable of up to 1080i. I started downloading HD movies (a few in 1080p) I was just barely able to tell the difference between the 720 vs 1080 version (I downloaded both versions of certain movies just in case my roommates computer couldn't handle the 1080). That being said, I was able to tell a difference though, as the 1080 versions looked much clearer and sharper than the 720 version. And so you know, the size of the screen was a 125" 4:3 picture and about ~108" 16:9 picture (this was for 1.78:1, the screen was a little smaller for 2.39 and above ratios).

So since you can't really see the difference, I would have to say save the thousand bucks and get the 720p version. (You could even send me that money as a graduation gift )

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I don't agree with the statement you can't see the difference. I would rather say you won't notice the difference.

Let me explain the difference. Take any 1920x1080 display and use a computer to put up a web page in 1920x1080 (1080p) resolution and the same web page in 1280x720 (720p) resolution and you will "see" a difference. The clarity of the 1080p vs the 720p will depend on the seating distance and the screen size, but you will see a difference. Now that will definitely give you a benchmark that clearly will show there is a difference that can be seen.

Now put up a photo in the two resolutions and most likely at normal seating distances, you will not "notice" a difference in the two photos. This will be true whether you use the same display or a 1080p and a 720p display viewing them one after another. Viewing side by side, however many people will notice a slight difference, but that could be placebo.
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I'll offer a different perspective.

How long do you plan on keeping the TV? My HD Projector replaced a TV (still being used in secondary area) that was my primary TV for about 8 years or more.

4 years from now, might you regret not having 1080P? If you do, would you then want to spend the money on another TV?
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First of all, no one in this or any other forum can tell you whether you will see a difference. Whether you intend to play games or hook the set to a computer should not be your sole criteria in choosing 1080p over 720p. There are also high definition sources such as Blu-ray and (the apparently defunct) HD DVD. 1080p gives you some growing room as the technology continues to develop. I would say, if you can reasonably afford to pay the difference, go for the 1080p set.
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In other words, follow the advice of MShulman. I find that he is usually right on the money and on the technology.
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Old 05-31-2008, 03:46 PM   #8  
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In other words, follow the advice of MShulman. I find that he is usually right on the money and on the technology.
But if you can't notice the difference between 720p and 1080p now, than you won't be able to notice the difference in 4 years. And the TC already mentioned he can't tell the difference, nobody on this forum is telling him he won't notice a difference. It's already fact. Whether or not there is more content available in 1080p in 4 years then, does not really matter. Since it is the TCs TV and not the people that will visit and watch HD content (who might be able to notice the difference) it should be based upon his preference. So, since the TC has said that he cannot notice the difference between 720p and 1080p, than there really is no reason for him to get the more expensive TV.

While more people might say 1080p is "TrueHD" the fact remains that 720p is also technically "TrueHD", it's just not the highest resolution you can go right now. Other than the better resolution you get from 1080p, as far as I'm concerned (and I know, correct me if I'm wrong though) there really is not a benefit of 1080p over 720p. Which means that in 4 years from now, unless the TC can notice the difference between 720p and 1080p, it really wouldn't matter that he bought the 720p version.

And on different note and just out of curiosity, rbinck was this statement "I don't agree with the statement you can't see the difference. I would rather say you won't notice the difference." just a general statement or directed to me. (I guess I'm paranoid for no reason and think you were talking to me )

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Just a general statement to clarify your implication that I think you can not see a difference. I might add that when people view a photo or video, the brain will fill in some missing detail. That is why on a SD set the picture will actually be perceived as better than on the same sized HD set. On the SD set, the detail is added by the brain whereas on the HD set the detail is added by a processor. Your brain is much better than a processor. Same with video on a 720p set vs a 1080p set.
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go big or go home... go with the full 1080p, might as well. in a year or two from now you'll say to yourself "damn, i should have just brought the 1080p set"
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The brick and mortar store you went to probably was running a 1080i source on both TV's. You may not have seen the full potential of that 1080P set. You should see if you can see it with a BR player plugged in.
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Old 05-31-2008, 06:23 PM   #12  
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I'll offer a different perspective.

How long do you plan on keeping the TV? My HD Projector replaced a TV (still being used in secondary area) that was my primary TV for about 8 years or more.

4 years from now, might you regret not having 1080P? If you do, would you then want to spend the money on another TV?



You are sooo very wrong..........
The guy wants to watch the Plasma just for HD Cable or HD Satellite only
and I would think maybe he will use it every now and then to watch a dvd.......
I would go and get a 50 inch Panasonic Plasma for around the $1100-$1200 mark.....
First off he will not see ANY diffence in the Picture since there will not be anything broadcast in 1080P in the next 10 years at least.....
And at that time.
I am sure he will be able to buy a 110 inch plasma 1080P for under $2000 at that time......
So now if you watch LOTS of bluerays and play lots of video games,Then I would say get a 1080P.
But I think you should be happy with a $1000 brand name plasma.
There will not be any 1080P Broadcast for many years to come,and I am sure you will see little to no diffence at alllllllllll......Jt
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for viewing distance of 10 feet 720p will be a wiser choice for following reasons,

1) Broadcast is 720p and 1080i only, (native resolution of 720P sets)
2) for Bluray movies if interlacing is done on set correctly there is no difference in PQ between 1080p and 1080i.

There is one issue though most of the 1080p sets have all the advanced features because manufacturers will get more money for 1080p sets, 720P sets will be considered as bargain sets in near future with less features, manufacturers will do 1080p for sizes 37 and up and put more advanced features in these sets.

Home theater Magazine did a very interesting test between tvs from every technology RP, LCD and Plasma, in their test Pioneer 720P plasma beats all other 1080P sets, Pioneer processing of pictures were far better than any 1080P sets compared. I would pick a Pioneer Kuro 720 plasma over any 1080p LCD.
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Old 05-31-2008, 07:22 PM   #14  
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A computer or games will never be hooked up to this panel, but I will be buying a blue ray down the road
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A computer or games will never be hooked up to this panel, but I will be buying a blue ray down the road
What I suggest you do is A) go back to the store and see if they can put in a Blu-ray movie and play it at 1080p on one set and 720p on another set. The same movie, at more or less the same spot in the movie so you can see if you actually notice a difference between 720p or 1080p. If you do not notice a difference I would go with the 720p set. If you notice a difference and it's not all that big of a deal to you, again go with the 720p. If you notice a difference and it is a big deal to you (wow, that really looks clearer and sharper in 1080p, I like that much better, type of thing) than go with the 1080p set.

B) if A is not feasible (the store does not have two of the same movies to show, only one TV is hooked up to Blu-ray or whatever) then you could try something else (which would be a little more difficult). This would be, finding two of your friends that have the same Blu-ray movie (and consequently have a Blu-ray player) and hopefully a friend that has a 1080p TV. Then you see if your friends will let you borrow the players and movies, hook them up to two different (I would keep them the same type though for testing) inputs (i.e. two HDMI or two Component). Put the movies into the players and go through different scenes and than switch back and forth between the two inputs and see if you notice a difference. From there, the same decisions would be used as in option A.

That's my 2 cents on the whole ordeal. From what I've read and know, a 50" will probably still be difficult to notice the enhancements of 1080p. But, I would strongly recommend trying to do A (as it is the easiest on your part and you don't have to trouble friends).

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