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Old 05-31-2008, 08:02 PM   #16  
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for viewing distance of 10 feet 720p will be a wiser choice for following reasons,

1) Broadcast is 720p and 1080i only, (native resolution of 720P sets)
2) for Bluray movies if interlacing is done on set correctly there is no difference in PQ between 1080p and 1080i.

There is one issue though most of the 1080p sets have all the advanced features because manufacturers will get more money for 1080p sets, 720P sets will be considered as bargain sets in near future with less features, manufacturers will do 1080p for sizes 37 and up and put more advanced features in these sets.

Home theater Magazine did a very interesting test between tvs from every technology RP, LCD and Plasma, in their test Pioneer 720P plasma beats all other 1080P sets, Pioneer processing of pictures were far better than any 1080P sets compared. I would pick a Pioneer Kuro 720 plasma over any 1080p LCD.
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Old 05-31-2008, 08:58 PM   #17  
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Answer is ,,,,,
If you are going to watch lots of Bluerays
Then go with a 1080P.
If you are going to watch mostly Hd cable or Hd Satellite programing.
Then I would go with the cheaper plasmas....
Any other questions you might have,,,go spend your money on a 1080P.
You are only wasting our time.....
LAST TIME
You will not see 1080P HD broadcast programing for many years to come...
By that time you will be able to upgrade to a 100 Inch Plus 1080P inch plasma for under $2000.00......
Think I am wrong,,,,,
Why waste your money now when there is no 1080P broadcasting television programs?????
Geeeeee you really think that you are getting a better picture with a 1080P Plasma,,when all the cable and satellite are only giving you 720P and 1080I ONLY for the next 10 years??????
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Old 05-31-2008, 09:54 PM   #18  
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Johhnytuinals - there is both 720 and 1080 programming available and if your 1080p set deinterlaces 1080i properly ther is no- I repeat no difference visually between that and a 1080p source. To the original poster let your eyes and wallet be your judge but I do agree that a lot of the nicer features and better chipsets/scalers/processors are often used in 1080 sets as these are higher end cost items. I say Good 720p over poor 1080 set but I went to HH gregg over mem day and once since and they are willing to give me the Panny 46" (I believe pz80u ) for $1399.
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Old 05-31-2008, 09:57 PM   #19  
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Answer is ,,,,,
If you are going to watch lots of Bluerays
Then go with a 1080P.
If you are going to watch mostly Hd cable or Hd Satellite programing.
Then I would go with the cheaper plasmas....
Any other questions you might have,,,go spend your money on a 1080P.
You are only wasting our time.....
LAST TIME
You will not see 1080P HD broadcast programing for many years to come...
By that time you will be able to upgrade to a 100 Inch Plus 1080P inch plasma for under $2000.00......
Think I am wrong,,,,,
Why waste your money now when there is no 1080P broadcasting television programs?????
Geeeeee you really think that you are getting a better picture with a 1080P Plasma,,when all the cable and satellite are only giving you 720P and 1080I ONLY for the next 10 years??????
So I'm wasting your time
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I have finally decided on a panny but Iím stuck at the dreaded 1080p/720p decision . The viewing area I will have will be 8 to 10 feet for movies, sports and general programming. So off I went to my local brick and mortar store to take a look. Well I stood about 8 feet back looking at the 50PZ80U AND 50PX80U which were next to each other and I couldnít tell the difference with my 40 year old eyes. Now before you tell me this is a no brainer I just want to make sure I wont be missing something if I donít get the 1080p set. Sears has the 50PX80U for $1300.00, which is a grand less , then the 50PZ80U. If there is an advantage to get the 1080p version I would like to here why. How does blue ray look on a 720p set?
I just price matched the Sear ad from last week that ended on 5/27/08 to get the TH-50PZ80U for that $1,299.00 price. It is an excellent display and I am sure you will love it if you get this one.

It depends on viewing distance and your eyesight at that distance as to whether it is worth it to spend the extra money for the 1080p version. It sounds like you will not see much of a difference based on your post, so you may be better off saving the money with the PX model at 768p (which IS a great deal at $1300.00 IMO).

Just so you know though, Best Buy has the 1080p 50PZ80U model for $230.00 lower this week I think, but that might have ended on 5/31/08. I live for the "deal" myself and although I wasn't looking to replace my fantastic 720p 50" DLP, I bought the 50PZ80U BECAUSE I got such a great deal.

Don't be in such a hurry and just wait for the deals to come is my best advice. I doubt you will find a deal anytime soon like the deal I got, because they are extremely rare, and might have only come from a misprint in the Sears ad if the rumor is true. Also remember that you CAN negotiate to close the deal with a salesman at these stores. You just have to be willing to negotiate hard and walk away if they do not give you a reasonable deal (in your opinion).

Hope this helps!
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Old 06-01-2008, 07:07 AM   #21  
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You are sooo very wrong..........
The guy wants to watch the Plasma just for HD Cable or HD Satellite only
and I would think maybe he will use it every now and then to watch a dvd.......
I would go and get a 50 inch Panasonic Plasma for around the $1100-$1200 mark.....
First off he will not see ANY diffence in the Picture since there will not be anything broadcast in 1080P in the next 10 years at least.....
And at that time.
I am sure he will be able to buy a 110 inch plasma 1080P for under $2000 at that time......
So now if you watch LOTS of bluerays and play lots of video games,Then I would say get a 1080P.
But I think you should be happy with a $1000 brand name plasma.
There will not be any 1080P Broadcast for many years to come,and I am sure you will see little to no diffence at alllllllllll......Jt
How am I SOOOO wrong?

This is his immediate need. Who knows what he might think in a year, 2 years, 4 years..etc. I simply pointed out that if he plans on keeping the TV for many years (as most people do), he might regret not having 1080P later. Maybe he doesn't watch many movies now, but maybe he will later?
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Old 06-01-2008, 09:06 AM   #22  
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johnnytuinals has made it clear over and over again that he does not understand the difference between
input signal format and display resolution; nor does he understand the difference between upscaling/downscaling and deinterlacing.

His lack of proper knowledge and understanding has caused him to muck up any number of threads since he joined, and even though many have gone to great lengths to explain these issues to him, he either doesn't get it or doesn't want to get it . . . there are such unfortunates.
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Old 06-01-2008, 06:01 PM   #23  
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I own a home theater store and I see TVs side-by-side all day long. In my opinion there are 2 important answers. First, everyone sees things differently. So it's a tough question to ask of someone. I've witnessed 2 people watching the same set in my store describe very different perspectives on the picture. Secondly, you will NOT see the value in a 1080P set under 50". That's where I believe the value begins based on the testing I do in my store. But only slightly at that size. If price is that much of a consideration I would save the money.
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Old 06-01-2008, 06:12 PM   #24  
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Pasta is very right you will see little or no difference
and Scottnot can go back to work at Bestbuy in the
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Old 06-02-2008, 02:27 PM   #25  
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I think it depends on the size of your set, and if you like watching a lot of blu-ray movies and stuff like that you should definitely get a 1080p. But if it's just watching tv and regular dvds, 720p is more than enough. Also, a lot of 1080p's are dropping prices to make room for now another new feature 120hz.. So if you really want to get a 1080p then I suggest you wait until Christmas.
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Old 06-02-2008, 02:53 PM   #26  
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Isn't it at forty that the eyes start acting up? Go with what you feel. it's like a torquoise car is green to some people and a bluish to others. Light and color perception is different to every one. I sell lamps of all types and trying to tell someone about color temperatures over the phone is a joke. So go with what you feel yourself. I did like that comment to ask the B&M store about their feed before deciding.
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Old 06-02-2008, 03:10 PM   #27  
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I agree with pasta, it's basically what I have been saying. People that keep saying "...it depends on if you are just watching TV/DVDs or if you are watching Blu-ray movie," are wrong. If the TC cannot notice the difference between 720p and 1080p, there is no reason for the TC to get a 1080p TV if he is does not notice the difference.

@Waidesworld, I'm pretty sure the comment about the B&M is referring to what I said. I actually got that idea from reading various reviews about TVs and I think from other forums, I can't quite remember where I heard it. But I do know that it was not strictly my idea. I do think it is a good idea though, because when I read it, they would say to bring a DVD that you are familiar with so that you know if the TV looks good or if the sound system looks good (it works for both buying TVs and speakers).

Anyway, TC let us know what you decided when you decide (I know I'm curious, not sure about others.)

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Old 06-10-2008, 10:30 AM   #28  
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Hey guys, I just joined to ask a few questions of my own and there seem to be some knowledgeable people in this thread so here goes...

I am looking to upgrade my current Olevia 27" LCD (3 years old, not one single problem besides being too small). I am reading a lot of good things about the TH-42PX80U and it is about $1000 at circuit city and $900 at sears. I think I have decided on Plasma over LCD, from what I have been reading it seems to be a great technology and offers up richer colors/deeper blacks at a more affordable price than LCD's.

I have a Toshiba HD-A2 as well as xbox add on to watch my collection of HD-DVD's and I plan to buy a PS3 to play as well as to start my collection on BR movies. I watch mostly SD directv channels, but also love watching movies (both SD and HD). I play video games on occasion. I sit about 7-10 feet from my tv. I don't personally feel that I need to spend more money on the 1080p version. From what I have read, it seems as though the 720p will work just fine. After all I have been satisfied with my 720p Olevia LCD. I think it looks amazing when watching my Planet Earth Series. It looks a little less amazing when watching some scenes in Transformers, but overall I have been happy.

Do you guys think I will need the 1080p? Should I pony up now so as not to be disappointed later? Or if I am happy now with my 720 will I still be happy with it in a 42" version?

Thank you all so much! I need advice from people who actually have a passion for this kind of stuff, not just making commission.
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The 1080p Hype-Machine has caused more problem threads on AV forums than any other "machine" in recent history. I blame this on the B&M stores ramming overpriced, underperforming 1080p sets down consumers throats. To bad, really. NOT good for the hobby, IMO.

Meanwhile...back in REALITY-land: Picture quality is made up of several characteristics. ONE of those characteristics is resolution. The other and arguably MORE important ones are: Real Contrast, black-levels, video processing, and color accuracy. Knowlegable people understand that the TV can have 8,000 lines of resolution, but if it has bad contrast or crappy video processing then it will still SUCK. Resolution cant save a bad TV.

That being said, if you can get 1080p with all of the other image quality characteristics I mentioned, then great...go for it! Otherwise, like someone else mentioned, the "lowly" 768p Pioneer plasma crushed a bunch of 1080p LCDs in a recent Home Theater Mag TV shootout. Why? How could that be? Didnt the 1080p beat the crap out of the "lowly" 768p plasma? Guess not.

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The 1080p Hype-Machine has caused more problem threads on AV forums than any other "machine" in recent history. I blame this on the B&M stores ramming overpriced, underperforming 1080p sets down consumers throats. To bad, really. NOT good for the hobby, IMO.

Meanwhile...back in REALITY-land: Picture quality is made up of several characteristics. ONE of those characteristics is resolution. The other and arguably MORE important ones are: Real Contrast, black-levels, video processing, and color accuracy. Knowlegable people understand that the TV can have 8,000 lines of resolution, but if it has bad contrast or crappy video processing then it will still SUCK. Resolution cant save a bad TV.

That being said, if you can get 1080p with all of the other image quality characteristics I mentioned, then great...go for it! Otherwise, like someone else mentioned, the "lowly" 768p Pioneer plasma crushed a bunch of 1080p LCDs in a recent Home Theater Mag TV shootout. Why? How could that be? Didnt the 1080p beat the crap out of the "lowly" 768p plasma? Guess not.

I appreciate the response, but I am asking your opinion based on the things that I explained that I would be using the tv for. I am looking at the TH-42PX80U right now, but I am curious as to whether or not I should ante up and get the 1080p version. Is there any practical reason as to why I would need the extra lines of pixels? I think the 768 resolution would be enough for my needs, but I wanted to get a general consensus on the matter before spending the 1,000 bucks. Thanks!
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