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Old 04-08-2005, 08:30 AM   #1
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Default New Panny 42PD50U vs. 42PD25UP - reviews?

Looking to upgrade TV and go the Plasma route. Like the looks and comments on the Panny sets and am now deliberating which model to go for with a US$2500 budget.

Like the idea of buying the newly released TH-42PD50U, but haven’t heard much feedback on yet and am unsure how it compares to 42PD25U/P.

Can anyone comment on benefits of one of these models over the other, please?

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Old 04-08-2005, 08:53 AM   #2
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The pd50u is a significant improvement on the pd25u. It has more grayscale gradations (2048 up from 1024) and therefore a richer and more full color palette. It's also an 8th gen panel as opposed to the 6th gen 25u. This gives it a 60,000 hour half-life, twice that of the 25u. The only thing missing is the cable card slot in the 50u from the 25u.
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Old 04-08-2005, 09:20 AM   #3
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Go with the new unit and don't look back. Congrats on a great choice.
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Old 04-08-2005, 09:47 AM   #4
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Whats the take on the new HD version 42PX50U. Also what about 42PD50U vs. 42PWD7UY (This is rated high on various sites). Is there a good review out there for the 42PD50U. I checked it out at Best Buy last night and it held up very well against various HD models.

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Old 04-08-2005, 10:24 AM   #5
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Whats the take on the new HD version 42PX50U. Also what about 42PD50U vs. 42PWD7UY (This is rated high on various sites). Is there a good review out there for the 42PD50U. I checked it out at Best Buy last night and it held up very well against various HD models.

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I know it will hold its own against HD sets....but whats more , is that non-HD formats look better on it (the ED set) than on an HD set (includind DVDs)..so you in effect are getting your cake and eating it too. I have an HD set (as well as an EDTV Plasma). I like the Plasma better. Better colors, blacks, greys, almost a 3D effect. I cannot explain what those Panny's have in their guts (thats for the techies to know)....I just know they are the best kept secret in town. I have seen the 42PWD7UY for as little as $1700 on-line....compared to a 42" Sony HD Plasma at $4900 or more. It's a no brainer and still have $$ to save for the next "gotta have" toy.
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Old 04-08-2005, 12:42 PM   #6
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I've been looking at this set too. Circuit City.com has it for $2299 right now. I did check one out in person at Best Buy, looks as good, if not better, than the pd25 that was sitting next to it. I played with the settings so they were identical on both. The PD50's blacks were ever so slightly blacker, and the colors were equal if not better. (really hard to tell that one). In my opinion, it's equal to the PD25, and at least $500 less.

I have not been able to find any reviews yet either, too new. Only able to find the specs. I downloaded the manual off of Panasonic.com to look over. A few things that jumped out at me were:
-No front input or output jacks
-No Cable Card slot
-only one RF input (the PD25 had 2)

None of these are a deal breaker for me, as I won't be using any anyway. The reason I bring it up is some site are posting the specs for the PD25 as specs for the PD50. (most noticable, saying the PD50 has a cable card slot and front jacks when it doesn't)

Given the fact Panny's ED plasmas have consistanly been among the highest rated plasmas the last couple of years, I see no reason to think you will be disappointed in the PD50. (The PX50 is due out in the next month or so, with an MSRP of $4000.)

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I've been looking at this set too. Circuit City.com has it for $2299 right now. I did check one out in person at Best Buy, looks as good, if not better, than the pd25 that was sitting next to it. I played with the settings so they were identical on both. The PD50's blacks were ever so slightly blacker, and the colors were equal if not better. (really hard to tell that one). In my opinion, it's equal to the PD25, and at least $500 less.

I have not been able to find any reviews yet either, too new. Only able to find the specs. I downloaded the manual off of Panasonic.com to look over. A few things that jumped out at me were:
-No front input or output jacks
-No Cable Card slot
-only one RF input (the PD25 had 2)
According to the CC web site, they have now cut the price of the 42" PD25 to $2099, putting it not $500 more, but $200 less (at CC anyway). Let the price slashing begin!

For those of us contemplating using an antenna along with cable I wish they hadn't eliminated one of the RF inputs on the new PD50. How much cost could that have saved? The CableCard slot I am still undecided on.

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Old 04-08-2005, 10:44 PM   #8
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Took the plunge on the PD50 earlier today. Got it from CC for $2149. Pretty good deal I would say. Cheapest I could find online was at eCost.com for $1999 + shipping. Love the Set after a couple of hours of watching Hi Def and DVD. Black levels are definitely apparent. Compared it to the Sony EDTV Wega KE 42M1 at the store and preferred the picture and clarity on the Panny more than the Sony altho' Sound was better on the Sony.

I am a lil disappointed tho' with the SD (non HDTV) picture display, not very clear when compared to the my earlier CRT.

Mind you this is my first plasma so I wouldn't really know what to expect.

Any suggestions on what I should set the picture, brightness, sharpness, color and tint at.

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Took the plunge on the PD50 earlier today. Got it from CC for $2149. Pretty good deal I would say. Cheapest I could find online was at eCost.com for $1999 + shipping. Love the Set after a couple of hours of watching Hi Def and DVD. Black levels are definitely apparent. Compared it to the Sony EDTV Wega KE 42M1 at the store and preferred the picture and clarity on the Panny more than the Sony altho' Sound was better on the Sony.

I am a lil disappointed tho' with the SD (non HDTV) picture display, not very clear when compared to the my earlier CRT.

Mind you this is my first plasma so I wouldn't really know what to expect.

Any suggestions on what I should set the picture, brightness, sharpness, color and tint at.

Thanks
Mind if I ask how you swung the $2149 price? As was mentinoned, the CC current "advertised" price is $2299. Did you do any price matching?

Also, is your source for SD cable or sat? This is my biggest concern. My viewing will be roughly 75% SD 25% HD/DVD (for now). Space logistics dictate a flat panel, however, so CRT/DLP etc is not an option.

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The pd50u is a significant improvement on the pd25u. It has more grayscale gradations (2048 up from 1024) and therefore a richer and more full color palette. It's also an 8th gen panel as opposed to the 6th gen 25u. This gives it a 60,000 hour half-life, twice that of the 25u. The only thing missing is the cable card slot in the 50u from the 25u.
Panasonic claims that the 25u also has a 60,000 hr. half life, they claim that on their website and I've been told by panny tech support that it has 60k half life. I own the 25u and love it, the difference in the 25u glass and the 6th gen commercial glass is the half life numbers. This was very important to me before I purchased my 25u back in november 04. The 25u has the display properties of the 6uy commercial panel and the half life of the 7uy commercial panel.
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The pd50u is a significant improvement on the pd25u. It has more grayscale gradations (2048 up from 1024) and therefore a richer and more full color palette. It's also an 8th gen panel as opposed to the 6th gen 25u. This gives it a 60,000 hour half-life, twice that of the 25u. The only thing missing is the cable card slot in the 50u from the 25u.
This if for 6th gen consumer models:


View by: Date CreatedAudioComputer PeripheralsDigital Still CamerasDVDGeneralHome AppliancesHome Office ProductsHospitality Industry ProductsIndustrial/CommercialLighting ProductsMusical InstrumentsNetworking ProductsOtherPersonal Care ProductsSD Memory CardTelephone and FaxTelevisionVideo Products

WHITE PAPER



Plasma Facts and Myths

Panasonic Presents Advice From the Video Purist Perspective

Commissioned by: Panasonic

November 2004



Executive Summary

The 21st Century display technology called plasma TV looks, operates and performs unlike any previous device. No other television today offers the form factor, screen size and performance of plasma. The purpose of this report is to provide in-depth information about plasma technology. You will learn how plasma operates, the truth about plasma life span, the so-called uneven

aging phenomenon, and maintenance. Performance criteria will also be examined so you can determine if a plasma panel is right for you.



How It Works

Plasma displays use three types of phosphors (red, green, and blue). Like a standard cathode ray tube (CRT) TV the phosphors glow to create an image. The difference lies in the way the phosphors glow. In a CRT, electrons strike the phosphors causing them to glow. A plasma display contains a combination of inert gases. Electrodes inside the glass panel charge the gas, resulting in the production of invisible ultra violet (UV) light. When the UV light strikes the phosphors, they glow, producing a brilliant picture.



Advantages of Plasma

Plasma TVs offer excellent color saturation, very wide viewing angles in both horizontal and vertical planes, and are equaled only by the bulky flat-faced direct-view sets based on traditional CRT technology. Their rapid response times assure crisp images even when fast motion is present, such as when viewing football or other fast-moving sporting events. Plasma televisions provide image brightness at a level far higher than large-screen projection displays, allowing for viewing in areas of high ambient light without washing out picture detail. (There are no direct-view CRT sets with comparable screen sizes to plasmas that are 42 inches or larger.) Panasonic black levels are close to direct view CRT levels, permitting superb deep blacks and outstanding viewing in dark environments. Panasonic contrast ratios are rated as high as 4000:1. Current LCD flat panels cannot achieve the dark black levels or contrast ratios of plasma in a home theater environment. Panasonic makes plasma panels in widescreen (16:9 aspect ratio) with

enhanced-definition, commonly known as 480p, (37” & 42” have 852 pixels measured horizontally (H) by 480 pixels measured vertically (V)) and high definition resolutions (37”=1024H x 720V; 42”= 1024 H x 768 V; 50” and 65” 1366 H x 768 V).



Lifespan

There has been much misinformation about the longevity of today’s plasma TVs. Like all other display devices, there are two parts to a television. The first is the internal electronics. Modern circuit designs are extremely reliable and all televisions, including plasma’s circuits, are designed to provide extremely long life. The second part is the section of the television that produces light.

In plasma, it is the phosphors within the glass panel. Phosphors are used to produce an image in standard picture tube (CRT) televisions as well, and in three-CRT rear projectors.



Television manufacturers base the projected life of all TVs on “half brightness,” meaning the time it takes for the display to create an image that’s only half as bright as when the TV was new. The three-CRT rear projector is generally rated at 15,000 hours until half-brightness. Direct-view CRTs are generally rated to 30,000 hours. Panasonic plasmas have a half brightness rating of 60,000 hours – four times the life of CRT rear projection. This equates to more than twenty-three years at seven hours a day viewing, around the average daily TV viewing time per U.S. household. With its inherent high brightness, a Panasonic plasma will likely retain its image

quality for many years.



Myths Regarding Plasma Televisions

While a CRT direct-view television is an analog device that uses a picture tube and the plasma is a digital device, there are many similarities between the two technologies. As noted, each display uses phosphors to create light. While a direct-view picture tube operates in a vacuum, and the plasma screen uses inert gases, both are completely sealed. There is no possibility of the gas leaking out (barring physically breaking the panel), and there is never a need to “recharge” or “refill” the plasma panel. Conversely, there is no possibility of moisture leaking in, it can never “fog up” like a car windshield and, unlike an incandescent light bulb, a plasma panel doesn’t suddenly “burn out.”



Power Consumption

All Panasonic plasmas are Energy Star® compliant insuring low power consumption in standby mode (a mere 18 watts), when compared with non-Energy Star® models. The maximum power consumption during use depends on screen size; the 37-inch diagonal models, for example, are rated at 345 watts maximum. However, typical power consumption is much lower and

varies depending on picture content and display settings such as brightness and contrast. With typical content and display settings, Panasonic plasmas have virtually the same power consumption as similar-sized LCD TVs.
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Mind if I ask how you swung the $2149 price? As was mentinoned, the CC current "advertised" price is $2299. Did you do any price matching?

Also, is your source for SD cable or sat? This is my biggest concern. My viewing will be roughly 75% SD 25% HD/DVD (for now). Space logistics dictate a flat panel, however, so CRT/DLP etc is not an option.

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Showed the sales guy the ecost.com price of $1999. Haggled a bit. and they brought their price down to $2149. Also if u apply for CC card and pay with it u get 5% rewards back (~$100 CC gift card). In addition they are offering a Sony 5DVD changer free with any TV purchase over $1500.

My source for SD is cable. After doing some adjustmesnts SD looks way better. Also I see some appreciable better PQ using direct coaxial vs S-video input from Satellite box.
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This new Panasonic looks great. Will you be using this just for DVDs or SD watching? Can you get HDTV broadcasts with this receiver?
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Hey Hdaddict. I used to think the 25u's had a 60k hour half-life, but I thought I read somewhere that the commercial units were the sets to add the new glass to increase the half-lives. I could be wrong, but there's also a chance you might be wrong. However, I did hear they started using 7th gen glass with the 25u's with the earlier 6th gen electronics, so that they would be able to output out of the same plants for the consumer and commercial models. This tends to lead one to believe the 60k hours for the 25u. Also, I believe that white paper panny wrote is based on the commercial 7uy's, as I have read it and it sites the specs that the commercial units possess and the 25u's dont, such as the increased gray-scale and specific processing. However, that does not mean that the 25u is necessarily not a 60k set, you just can't site that white paper in your favor.
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Took the plunge on the PD50 earlier today. Got it from CC for $2149. Pretty good deal I would say.
I just got the same deal delivered from CC a few minutes ago. Haven't even hooked it up yet.

I took in a printout of your post and they matched it w/o a problem.

Thanks for posting your info!

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