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Old 11-27-2006, 01:27 AM   #1
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Hey, I'm thinking about getting a new hdtv, and I just don't know if I should go with 1080p or not. Now, first off, I do have an xbox360, and I also have the hddvd drive for it and both will be able to use the 1080p functionality. The problem I see with this is I heard upconverting 1080i to 1080p (for my dvd's and cable box) can look pretty crappy, now was this just a problem with early 1080p models, or does it look good now, or will these 1080p tv's show a 1080i picture without converting it?
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Your budget, size/type of room and seating distance will determine your range of HDTV screen sizes to consider. This is important because if you're talking about 40" or less in a living room with seating 7' to 8' away, it probably isn't worth getting 1080p.

As for 1080i source...not sure where you got the info that it can look crappy on a 1080p display. Maybe you/they meant 480i since DVDs aren't 1080i. There's no upconversion involved with 1080i content on a 1080p display...only deinterlacing since the display is progressive.
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Old 11-27-2006, 02:19 PM   #3
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Your budget, size/type of room and seating distance will determine your range of HDTV screen sizes to consider. This is important because if you're talking about 40" or less in a living room with seating 7' to 8' away, it probably isn't worth getting 1080p.

As for 1080i source...not sure where you got the info that it can look crappy on a 1080p display. Maybe you/they meant 480i since DVDs aren't 1080i. There's no upconversion involved with 1080i content on a 1080p display...only deinterlacing since the display is progressive.
Ok, so watching DVDs on a 1080p display will look good? You have me a little confused there because my dvd player outputs 1080i for the dvds. And will my 1080i cable box output look good on there too? And also, my room is about 6-7 feet distance and I'm thinking of getting a 50" tv, is it going to look pretty good? I know it's pretty big for that viewing distance but I plan on taking it with me when I move out and it will be in a bigger room.
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With a 1080p display...DVDs that are output through a good upconverting player at 1080i should look good. 1080i from an HD cable box should look good. The TV simply deinterlaces the signal. SD channels will only look okay. If you ever invest in an HD-DVD or Bluray player (sans early title releases/Samsung player)...the image should look fantastic.

50" at 6 feet is definitely worth considering a 1080p display. Note that most TVs on display at retail outlets are poorly calibrated or are fed poor signals and don't give you an accurate idea of what a TV is capable of.
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With a 1080p display...DVDs that are output through a good upconverting player at 1080i should look good. 1080i from an HD cable box should look good. The TV simply deinterlaces the signal. SD channels will only look okay. If you ever invest in an HD-DVD or Bluray player (sans early title releases/Samsung player)...the image should look fantastic.

50" at 6 feet is definitely worth considering a 1080p display. Note that most TVs on display at retail outlets are poorly calibrated or are fed poor signals and don't give you an accurate idea of what a TV is capable of.
So can you recommend some good brands and models? I'm basically lookin at around 50" (maybe slightly more or less) DLP or LCD, ~2500$ for DLP or ~4000$ for LCD.
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I don't personally recommend RPTVs so DLPs are out of the mix. LCDs to consider would be the XBR2 models from Sony and similar sizes from Sharp and Samsung. Plasmas from Pioneer and Panasonic are also possibilities but may be more expensive.
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I don't personally recommend RPTVs so DLPs are out of the mix. LCDs to consider would be the XBR2 models from Sony and similar sizes from Sharp and Samsung.
Well sharp looks like a fairly affordable choice (the LC-52D62U ), but on one review I read it said it had a few color issues, is this right? Or is it something that wouldn't be a noticeable problem outside of the lab? As for the samsung were you thinking the LN-S5296D line?

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Ohh, I also have another question. What is the longevity of 1080p most likely going to be? Is it going to plateau at this for several years, or would I be better off waiting a year or 2 to get a new tv?
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Old 11-28-2006, 12:22 AM   #9
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1080p will be with us for a long time. Although video may eventually move to a higher resolution some day when data compression gets far more efficient, there are no plans, even long term plans, to go to any higher resolution than 1920 x 1080.

If I was going to buy a 1080p display, I would make sure it supported 1080p input (not just 1080i) to keep it as future proof as possible.
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Decado, I have the Sharp LC-42D62U, which is actually manufactured to a lower spec than the 46 and 52 models. It's BEAUTIFUL! I use Cox HD cable on the 8300HD box and my Xbox360 + HD-DVD, and it looks great. I have no color issues (with just some minor settings changes, no pro calibrations or anything). I'm using component for the Xbox and HDMI for the cable. SD channels look, well, like SD. They aren't nearly as bad, IMO, as many make them out to be (or perhaps I'm just lucky). The HD channels come through beautifully. SD movies look great, HD movies look amazing!

I say go for the Sharp... the 52" is great if you need that large, but at your stated viewing distance of 6-7 feet, I'd say the 46 might be better. I have the 42 in an apartment living room and am about 6' away and it'd really good. The 52 would be, in my opinion, too large for that distance. Any questions, feel free to PM me and I'll answer as best as I can.
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Decado, I have the Sharp LC-42D62U, which is actually manufactured to a lower spec than the 46 and 52 models. It's BEAUTIFUL! I use Cox HD cable on the 8300HD box and my Xbox360 + HD-DVD, and it looks great. I have no color issues (with just some minor settings changes, no pro calibrations or anything). I'm using component for the Xbox and HDMI for the cable. SD channels look, well, like SD. They aren't nearly as bad, IMO, as many make them out to be (or perhaps I'm just lucky). The HD channels come through beautifully. SD movies look great, HD movies look amazing!

I say go for the Sharp... the 52" is great if you need that large, but at your stated viewing distance of 6-7 feet, I'd say the 46 might be better. I have the 42 in an apartment living room and am about 6' away and it'd really good. The 52 would be, in my opinion, too large for that distance. Any questions, feel free to PM me and I'll answer as best as I can.
Well, that sounds good to me, the sharp is after all the cheaper of the 2. And as for the size, I think I'd rather go with the 52 because when I move out of here I plan on getting a place with a nice sized room for my media room so I don't want to be undersized on the tv for that.
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If I was going to buy a 1080p display, I would make sure it supported 1080p input (not just 1080i) to keep it as future proof as possible.
What do you mean by this? Are there 1080p tv's that don't take 1080p inputs? I guess that would be kind of a stupid thing to get if it didn't have 1080p inputs, lol. How do I know if it has 1080p inputs or not?
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Read the specs. The other matter is the number of frames per second. Will it accept 60 fps, 30 fps or 24 fps... if incoming 1080p does not match display (only one frame rate for a given set), it will interlace then change to progressive.

Better find out about these things now... what can give you 1080p input and at what rate of fps. Do any source give you what your display needs what converting? If it needs to convert, are you getting much better with 1080p vs 1080i? That is the question.

Then comes the question of HDMI 1.3. That connection will provide a much greater color pallet from a source enabling 1.3 features. Therefore, is it worth buying a 1080p display for incremental better picture quality without HDMI 1.3 greater picture quality?

Sorry if this makes it complicated but investing extra dollars for a 1080p is not in itself a sure bet of getting much better picture quality and satisfaction.
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Read the specs. The other matter is the number of frames per second. Will it accept 60 fps, 30 fps or 24 fps... if incoming 1080p does not match display (only one frame rate for a given set), it will interlace then change to progressive.

Better find out about these things now... what can give you 1080p input and at what rate of fps. Do any source give you what your display needs what converting? If it needs to convert, are you getting much better with 1080p vs 1080i? That is the question.

Then comes the question of HDMI 1.3. That connection will provide a much greater color pallet from a source enabling 1.3 features. Therefore, is it worth buying a 1080p display for incremental better picture quality without HDMI 1.3 greater picture quality?

Sorry if this makes it complicated but investing extra dollars for a 1080p is not in itself a sure bet of getting much better picture quality and satisfaction.
Well, I looked around at the specs and the manual, and I couldn't find any info about any of that. Here's a link to the tv i'm looking at, could you give it a look and see if any of that is 1080p they way it should be and all the framerates and hdmi and stuff match up?(I just have no idea what i'm looking for) As for what i'll be inputting into the tv that's 1080p I have a xbox360 with hd-dvd drive and that is hooked up through component and I will be getting a ps3 sometime down the line and that is through hdmi.
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Doubt the specs will give you the info. You must ask the manufacturer.

HD DVD source is recorded in 1080p 24fps. I have no idea if your VGA connection gives you 1080p in 24 fps but I doubt it, because the forthcoming HD-XA2 with HDMI 1.3 will output 1080p but not in 24 fps (as the data source was recorded). If the TV needs to interlace then convert to progressive, what's the point of getting 1080p when 1080i does a good job?

BTW, will your TV have a VGA input for your HD DVD XBOX drive (only way to get 1080p with that drive)? Or will you need to find a converter VGA/RS232 (good luck), if your TV has a RS232 serial input? And after all this, will you have an image so better than using Component (1080i) to be worth the investment and the hassle?
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