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Old 01-06-2010, 11:38 PM   #1  
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I'm new to the world of HDTV (plasma's primarily) and greatly appreciate the wealth of knowledge and dedication the members here have displayed. This is a tremendous resource for all levels of expertise. As this is my first post, I felt compelled to thank everyone for being faithful to this new way of life.

I've been reading til my eyes hurt about everything I can cram into my tired mind, specifically the breaking in of plasmas. I recently purchased TC-P50V10 after much deliberation and research. I set out to purchase a LN46B750 but the local store has discontinued this model. This led me to the choice between the LN52B750 or the plasma. I had read that for larger flat panels (sorry, can't remember where as I have been reading for a while now) that plasma's produce a better picture. Being that my viewing angles would also be off center, I wanted to make sure guests would not lose out on the pristine pictures being displayed. After some hesitation, I went with the P50V10.

Our primary viewing will be as much HD as possible (regular shows, sports, etc.), some movies and some gaming. We do not have a blue-ray just yet but plan on getting one. We are currently using an X box 360 (with HD & optical components connected) for regular DVD viewing. Currently, the DVD's playing through the x box 360 do not look good at all. Granted, we haven't calibrated nor have we watched it for more than 5 hours yet. Looking at the picture from the x box and cable box, the dvd's playing on the x box look fuzzy and lacking sharpness. Just to test and make sure something wasn't completely wrong, I threw a game in briefly. MC vs DC Universe was the choice and we noticed some "not so clean edges" on the tops of the characters heads. Not sure if this is the supplied cable issue or something else. I did try to modify the settings of the x box and saw that 1080i was selected. When trying to select 1080p, the picture would not display and it would revert back to the 1080i setting. Again, not sure if this was a cable issue or not. Anyone familiar?

I have a few concerns and questions. Naturally, I purchased an extended warranty. Unfortunately, my wife knows this and continues to use this as ammo against my cause. We are quite impressed with the quality of the picture amidst some concern about the source of our signal. We have not seen an HDTV using a similar source produce a picture that made us say "whoa." With that being said, I want to make sure we get the best picture. I have read many different things about breaking in, burn in, image retention, etc. I am fearful b/c my wife doesn't seem to be concerned and says, "we have a warranty, we can just bring it back." I want to throw up in my mouth every time she says it.

- How important is it to break in a plasma?
- How susceptible is this plasma to burn in or image retention? Again, I have an impatient wife and need to know if I need to be more serious about the break in period.
- I want to purchase new HDMI cables from monoprice as they are far cheaper and return my current ones. There are quite a few to choose from and I am not sure which ones to get. Any guidance?
- I have an older Sony receiver. No HDMI but it does have optical. I have a random set of speakers including: 2 bose bookshelf speakers, JBL center channel, 2 small bose cubes for the rear surround and a JBL 12" sub. It works for what it is but now that we are on our way to a beautiful picture, the sound won't be far behind. What is recommended for an upgrade to the receiver? I don't want to spend a ton of money at the time. I'm thinking $300-$400 if I can get away with it but if spending a few more bucks will get me something noticeably better, than I may splurge.

I'm sorry for the novel...lol I am eager to get into this and start enjoying the finer points of life, quality TV, movie and game playing pictures.

One last thing I just noticed while watching TV... the sound seems off. The mouths move but the sound doesn't match the movements of their mouth. Is this normal? How is this corrected?

Thanks in advance and I look forward to participating in this forum.
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Old 01-07-2010, 07:58 AM   #2  
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Unfortunatly I must answer your questions with questions to attempt to solve these riddles...

How is the 360 hooked to the display composite (red,white,wellow) component (red,blue,green) or HDMI?

What is your source for TV viewing cable or sat box? is the box set to output an HD signal? do you have HD service?

Although I am not aware of handshake issues with th V10 an inferior HDMI cable may be causing the lipsync issues hoooking up via component may clear up the problem and point you in the right direction

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http://www.highdefforum.com/flat-pan...bout-burn.html

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Old 01-07-2010, 08:14 AM   #3  
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To address some of your questions
Break-in is highly encouraged especially to avoid any possible burn-in. Not as important as it once was but why take a chance with your gorgeous brand new display - all you need to do is turn the contrast and brightness down to the 50-60 range and 'stretch' sd programming or watch hd programming to insure that you don't have black bars on the screen. That should avoid burn-in . Image retentoin (IR) is temp and unless on an all white or all black screen from close up you will not notice it. Break-in typically only takes a week or two depending on how much you watch tv.
Need more info about how you are connected and include model # of receiver if possible.

Addressing sound. For about $500 I would reccomend the Onkyo HTS6100 or 6200 - this will include a receiver and a full 7.1 speaker set-up. For the price this will blow you away and the receiver is a good level one that will allow you to upgrade speakers in the future if you wish and does all the new TrueHD and DTS HD-MA decoding etc. Also there is a set-up in that one (as well as most other HDMI receivers) that will allow you to adjust the delay between picture and sound so they synch up. Only additional suggestion would be to use a heavier gauge speaker wire as what comes is a little thin.

As far as HDMI cables any from monoprice should do just fine just make sure you get the proper length - should run you about $3-$4 a piece.
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Old 01-07-2010, 04:46 PM   #4  
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How is the 360 hooked to the display composite (red,white,wellow) component (red,blue,green) or HDMI?
I am using the supplied cable that came with the x box. There is a switch (TV to HDTV) and we switched it to HD along with trying to change some settings within the system. For sound, all of teh above mentioned cables, except the yellow video, are connected. I also have an optical cable from the x box to the Sony receiver for better sound. I am certainly missing something here.

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What is your source for TV viewing cable or sat box? is the box set to output an HD signal? do you have HD service?
I am using a cable box (Optimum in New York) with 1080i signal. This is connected to the TV via HDMI cable. We do have HD service as well. The picture here for the most part appears to be excellent. I am still learning to determine what stations and programs use high quality equipment and still trying to feel out what the cause of a not totally crisp image, whether that be the signal, the 1080i, the TV, etc. I don't think it's the TV though for the record.

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Although I am not aware of handshake issues with th V10 an inferior HDMI cable may be causing the lipsync issues hoooking up via component may clear up the problem and point you in the right direction

P.S. WTTF...(welcome to the forum).....
The HDMI cables I am using are Monster 700HD. This is what they gave me before I read about monoprice. I will be purchasing from the website tonight and returning the others when they arrive. This will hopefully go towards my receiver. Thanks for the welcome. I am a little overwhelmed right now with all the information found here. Quite impressive!

Jkkyler: regarding break in, I am all for it. My anxious wife seems to be far less concerned...lol I am going to purchase the DVE disc and try to run it while we are sleeping so I can rest a little easier.

The receiver model is Sony STR-DE675. I have my sub and 1 audio cable (red/white) hooked up to it which is coming from the TV so I can pipe the TV through the receiver if I want the extra umph. I also have the optical in hooked up to the x box for surround during games/DVD's since I am currently using this as my source for DVD's.

I will definitely look into the mentioned receiver. Unfortunately, I have little trust in sales rep these days. If they only had more pride in their products and what they do and not be so worried about the money or what time it is so they can leave, I'd be happy.

Like everyone else, I am seeking that ultimate picture and exploit the maximum capabilities of the TV. I used to be savvy with this surround stuff back in the day but this is a different animal and I have no qualms about admitting that I am out of my league.... Thanks in advance for the continued help!
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Old 01-07-2010, 05:01 PM   #5  
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well first off all DVDs are 480i and the max resolution of the xbox for DVD is 480p. I have mine hooked to my Pio with component and DVDs look great, not HD great, but great..The V10 will upscale this to 1080p so I am not sure what the prob is here as you should at least be getting an image equal to or even a bit better than you are accustomed to.

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The picture here for the most part appears to be excellent. I am still learning to determine what stations and programs use high quality equipment and still trying to feel out what the cause of a not totally crisp image, whether that be the signal, the 1080i, the TV, etc. I don't think it's the TV though for the record.
this would be in the signal provided TNT along with some others are notorious for broadcasting what is known as HD light which is not full HD and somewhat disappointing....

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well first off all DVDs are 480i and the max resolution of the xbox for DVD is 480p. I have mine hooked to my Pio with component and DVDs look great, not HD great, but great..The V10 will upscale this to 1080p so I am not sure what the prob is here as you should at least be getting an image equal to or even a bit better than you are accustomed to.
That could very well be it which I started thinking about after I posted. The picture definitely looked better than a standard tv but thought the X box would create magic inside...lol oh well. I guess it's time to buck up and splurge on a Blue-Ray. This is quickly becoming expensive and my "perfectionist" nature is going to get me in the dog house before long. Aside from PS3, any recommendations on a Blue Ray player? Is it money better spent to go with the PS3?

I find myself already making comments when a station doesn't broadcast in high quality HD. I am getting snobby way too soon. Is there any kind of resource online that shows what networks are broadcasting in?

Lastly, I thought someone on these forums mentioned buying the calibration DVD from Amazon. I looked over there and maybe I am searching for the wrong thing but, I couldnt find it. Is there another name for it other than DVE? Any other places to purchase this disc?
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Is there any kind of resource online that shows what networks are broadcasting in?
Virtually all HD broadcast are in 1080i except for FOX, ABC and ESPN which go with 720p due to the amount of sports programming.....
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Another thing to mention to the wife is that Burn-in is NOT covered under warranty. I didn't see anyone else mention this, so I thought I would do it. It is considered abuse if you get.
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Old 01-09-2010, 02:11 AM   #9  
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So I knew it wouldn't be long after I purchased an HD tv that a new receiver and BR would follow. We picked up a couple of BR movies to test it out. I get it all set up and didn't have a chance to test it before I had to run to work. My beautiful, loving wife has a few friends over and they decide to watch a BR movie. Of course, I said "just be careful what you watch and make sure it is full screen" before I left. I come home and they are nearing the end of a 2 hour and 30 minute movie (Transformers 2). She forgets to put it in full screen and I nearly have a coronary b/c I'm worried about burn in being that we have only watched a hand full of hours of TV. To make sure, I run the scrolling bar for a couple of minutes but there is no evidence of any burn in.

So for all who are overly worried about burn in and breaking in, my evidence shows that you don't need to worry as much. I thought for sure I was going to have burn in and thankfully, nada.

One question I have about BR. The picture was quite amazing for the last few minutes I caught of the movie. I noticed what appeared to be fuzziness at random moments throughout the movie. It would go back to a crisp picture within seconds but being ignorant to all of this, is this normal? I am using a Sony BDP-S360 hooked up to a Sony STR-DH800receiver (temporary) both hooked up via HDMI cables.
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What you would get with black bars is uneven wear that is mostly only an issue during the 200 hour break in period. then it is not much of an issue as long as you mix full screen content in as well.

The blurriness is likely simply the camera going out of focus and many times this is intentional as the director intended. They does this stuff often times. without knowing the exact scene and time stamp for when you see it I cannot be sure though.
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That could very well be it which I started thinking about after I posted. The picture definitely looked better than a standard tv but thought the X box would create magic inside...lol oh well. I guess it's time to buck up and splurge on a Blue-Ray. This is quickly becoming expensive and my "perfectionist" nature is going to get me in the dog house before long. Aside from PS3, any recommendations on a Blue Ray player? Is it money better spent to go with the PS3?

I find myself already making comments when a station doesn't broadcast in high quality HD. I am getting snobby way too soon. Is there any kind of resource online that shows what networks are broadcasting in?

Lastly, I thought someone on these forums mentioned buying the calibration DVD from Amazon. I looked over there and maybe I am searching for the wrong thing but, I couldnt find it. Is there another name for it other than DVE? Any other places to purchase this disc?

The Digital Video Essentials (DVE) blu ray calibration disc is available on amazon , but the newest BR calibration disc is the Spears and Munsil dvd (link below) that is getting good reviews everywhere . Whichever you decide on just make sure the set is broken in first before you use it . Good luck !

http://www.amazon.com/Spears-Munsil-.../dp/B001UM29OC
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The Digital Video Essentials (DVE) blu ray calibration disc is available on amazon , but the newest BR calibration disc is the Spears and Munsil dvd (link below) that is getting good reviews everywhere . Whichever you decide on just make sure the set is broken in first before you use it . Good luck !

http://www.amazon.com/Spears-Munsil-.../dp/B001UM29OC
Reading a few of the reviews, people are saying that the disc doesn't contain good instructions. I am ridiculously new to this "tweaking" and don't want to not get the full potential of the disc. I'm sure I can figure it out but just want to make sure. Have you used this disc and if yes, what is your experience with all of this? Just trying to gauge my knowledge.
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