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Old 12-23-2009, 01:24 PM   #16  
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There are more colors in between these but I didn't upload to my pic acct yet, these colors play continuously in a loop for 150 hours with the Pioneer 500M settings adjusted for just the break in mode, after which the phosphors are aged to the point of minimal to no IR or Burn in issues, up next calibration , maybe by a pro, I am not so sure yet.
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I never got the point of break in slides. Why not just use the TV you just paid good money for and watch it, albeit, with the contrast and brightness down a little.
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Old 12-24-2009, 09:00 AM   #19  
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I never got the point of break in slides. Why not just use the TV you just paid good money for and watch it, albeit, with the contrast and brightness down a little.
My opinion too. I've had my Panasinic for just over a year. Right out of the box, I set it to THX mode. That set picture(contrast) and brightness to lower 50's. For the first 3 months, probably 75% of my programs were SD, black bars and all, until I finally caibrated it and that raised the contrast significantly. I never suffered burn in or image retention, and fully enjoyed the full benefits of the TV.
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I assume and I believe the advantage of the break-in slides is that you get each individual pixel being lit (aged) at the same intensity and each pixel using its entire range of color................You dont see very much sky blue in the bottom third of the screen while watching regular content.
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I assume and I believe the advantage of the break-in slides is that you get each individual pixel being lit (aged) at the same intensity and each pixel using its entire range of color................You dont see very much sky blue in the bottom third of the screen while watching regular content.
Exactly right Pappy, from what I understand it is the only way to get an equal break in throughout the entire panel and therefore I followed suit as per the pro calibration start up and break in, I will have the control cal patch installed and the pro cal done and the break in at 150 hours is required to achieve the ultimate calibration settings.

I am sure others are 100 % satisfied with out this break in procedure, but when they say that their panel looks awesome without I guess they would never know how much better it would and or could look with the break in unless of course they bought another exact model panel and did the breakin and pro cal,

I don't understand why people say just enjoy the panel right away as I am a patient man , I waited a year to pull the trigger so another 150 hours surely won't kill me. I am doing everything that is required to have the D-Nice pro cal done for the night and day settings and when all said and done I will never second guess my decision, I have been to peoples homes that have plasma and they went right out of the box without any research as to the best settings and breaking in and I can say for sure that they are wasting their money on such panels because they are missing the best viewing available by just jumping in feet first.

I don't think it is a matter of right and or wrong , prolly just a personal preference in my case , I want this to be a perfect panel for many years to come, sawz..
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My opinion too. I've had my Panasinic for just over a year. Right out of the box, I set it to THX mode. That set picture(contrast) and brightness to lower 50's. For the first 3 months, probably 75% of my programs were SD, black bars and all, until I finally caibrated it and that raised the contrast significantly. I never suffered burn in or image retention, and fully enjoyed the full benefits of the TV.
There is a procedure that the pro calibrator wants people to follow on the Pioneer 500 M as per the required break in before he does his thing so I am following the specs to the T, I don't want to hear , well it could have been this that or the other thing if only you did this...well I did this.
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I understand what you're saying sawz, you want to replicate what D-Nice did in order to benefit from his settings. However, not every Pioneer panel (or any brand) is exactly the same (colorwise) coming from the factory nor does everyone have the same enviroment. That's why these are just "reference" settings. It is intended as a starting point but not the end-all be-all. You may need to adjust to your own enviroment/sources. I did notice how accurate the colors were after adjusting the color cuts/gains within the pro adjust menu. The flesh tones just looked a little more life-like. I had to back off color saturation some as D-Nice suggested settings had more "pop" than I preferred. I brought down the brightness some too. I have different "pure" mode settings for BD material as I do satellite HD. Every other source is going to vary some too.

With the exception of using some posted settings post break-in, using break-in slides is not at all neccessary. Using someone else's settings is a crapshoot anyway. You will benefit more from a pro calibration anyhow than some other person's settings. If someone plans to have thier panel calibrated, I don't see where it would even matter how you break it in. You're always going to get uneven wear every time you watch something. What is 150 hours compared to the thousands of hours you will be watching normal content with pixels displaying various coloring? ...food for thought.

You can just watch normal content for a few hundred hours avoiding bars, static images, high settings, etc. or you can get through it quickly by using the slides. Theoretically, the break-in color slides evenly "messages" or "wears" the phosphor within the cells at the same rate with each of the plasma's primary RGB. Ideally, the display will have enough even wear to start calibrating without much worry of the phosphor settling to it's permanent state without the worry of having to re-calibrate once this settling occurred.

I don't think the whole 150hour break-in matters as much as some folks make it seem. I'm not saying running break-in slides is a waste of time, it's just a matter of personal preference. After all, I used this method to break-in a Pioneer and a Panasonic with great success. I still ended up settling on my own settings in the end, so I don't know how much difference it made to be honest.

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Why isn't this a sticky already? It would save countless "Is burn in still a problem?" threads by new people. Including me, as I did a thread before getting my G10. If this was stickied, I would have read this, and not wasted people's time by creating another thread about burn-in. Sticky!
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We can only have so many stickies or else all the new threads would get put on page two of this section and likely not be seen. It is a balancing act and we may have to look at unsticking something else to stick this.
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We can only have so many stickies or else all the new threads would get put on page two of this section and likely not be seen. It is a balancing act and we may have to look at unsticking something else to stick this.

I think this as a sticky, would be a lot more useful than the 3:2 pulldown thread. Not many people know or care what 3:2 pulldown is. Everyone day we have at least one "is burn in still a problem" thread. This would be a far more useful sticky than the 3:2 pulldown one IMO.
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Replace my flat panel buyers guide thread, its over 2 years old and outdated at this point...
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I think it should be stuck so I'm sticking it. If something else should be unstuck, we can do that later. Pappy's suggestion might work.
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