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Old 09-29-2009, 10:13 AM   #1  
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This seems like a really good deal. I've seen a lot of hate on LG's though on here, so I want to see what you guys think.

http://cgi.ebay.com/New-LG-32LF11-32...QQcmdZViewItem
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Old 09-29-2009, 10:38 AM   #2  
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This seems like a really good deal. I've seen a lot of hate on LG's though on here, so I want to see what you guys think.

http://cgi.ebay.com/New-LG-32LF11-32...QQcmdZViewItem
I think I would go for a Vizio at Costco for similar price & performance and a much easier transaction. And a hard to beat return policy.
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A deal is not a deal if you have troubles with the product after buying it.

People who have had first hand experience with LG are the ones who have stated others should avoid LG which includes me. I love a good deal, but a good deal is a good product at a great price for me, and LG (formerly the 4th tier Goldstar) is not a good display product IMO.

I would take Vizio over LG any day.
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I agree with what others have said stay away from LG!!! My friends that do have LG have all had problems with them.
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This seems like a really good deal. I've seen a lot of hate on LG's though on here, so I want to see what you guys think.

http://cgi.ebay.com/New-LG-32LF11-32...QQcmdZViewItem
When you take the cost of shipping into account, that bumps you into a $550 bracket. Might as well do as PFC5 suggests and get a vizio from costco. Seriously $540 shipped + tax & that extra year warranty plus 90 day refund/exchange. And it's a larger set too, 37 inches.

37RV525R from bestbuy is $600, the same price the 40 inches were last week. After tax we are talking $100ish more but without a doubt a better set.
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Old 09-29-2009, 07:19 PM   #6  
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I stopped posting to this forum because of chronic LG bashing - had to make an exception here.

I just purchased the LG 60PS60 5 weeks ago - no issues and it was a great deal for a 60" plasma panel with a net cost around $1,300.00

I also have had a 50" LG plasma for 4 1/2 years that I just moved to a secondary location.

Again, no issues with that TV ever.

The pattern on this forum is that whenever a post about an LG TV is made the super moderator and the leading poster always bash away.

This stops any reasonable conversation about LG TV's.

Hey, its OK with me, I just look elsewhere for less biased information.

Every brand has its issues and problems if you look around the internet.

I don't know anything about the particular LG model you are inquiring about so I cannot comment on it.

I also have a Vizio 47" LCD in my bedroom and have not had any issues with that TV either.

I will say that both of my LG plamas have a better picture than the Vizio LCD. I do, however, prefer plasma to LCD so you know my prejudice. Also, the Vizio overscans by design.

I did buy the Vizio at Costco a couple of years ago and that's not a bad way to go.

I look at all of these TV's as a disposable consumer product that will be replaced every 4 years or so due to changing technology. That's one of the reasons I look for a best buy for the buck when I purchase. Even if you buy the latest and greatest TV it will be superceded in either picture quality or technolgy in just a short while.
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I stopped posting to this forum because of chronic LG bashing - had to make an exception here.
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I look at all of these TV's as a disposable consumer product that will be replaced every 4 years or so due to changing technology.
Pointing out this LG's price isn't that hot in contrast to other sets which actually have a better picture isn't bashing.

TVs are not exactly disposable. For most people they are a serious long term investment expected to operate at least a decade or more. Even if you are the sort of joe who plans to upgrade every 4 years, there is always a used market for sets. Even among the enthusiasts on this forum, even among those they tend to hang on to the 4 year old sets even if they upgrade.

Technology doesn't change "that" rapidly. Sure, we've had the progression from DVI to DVI with HDCP, to HDMI. We've had 1080i sets followed by 720P sets followed by 1080P sets. But this is the point where the technology is pretty stable, and we were fully aware at the time all these things were "new" that something better was around the corner. 1080i is a broadcast standard, 1080P/24 is rather the bluray standard. The leap to 1080P isn't really that great unless your viewing distance is short, and I see little reason to consider 1440P.

If the LGs are cheap and reliable, great. I lean toward considering last years Toshiba, Samsung, Panasonic before LG or Phillips. If that extra ~$100 or more gets me another 1/2 decade of use, great!
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Old 09-29-2009, 11:18 PM   #8  
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How about HDMI 1.4.....

USB 3.0.....

OLED perhaps 2 or 3 or 4 years out.....

3D TV.....

Built in wireless networking..... (LG offers in the USA, Vizio will in a few months)

Built in BlueTooth (LG already offers in Europe).

My TV decisions are based on 4 year windows, becoming more like a computer decision.

The debate is about the last 5% of picture quality (perhaps)

...and perceived reliability.

Of course, the basis for your decision may be different and that's OK. Make the decision that makes the most sense for you.

Staying on the Korean theme, just a few years ago many considered Hyundai cars junk....now some of their vehicles are rated #1 for initial quality and reliability by JD Powers.

However, many still perceive Hyundai's to be lower tier vehicles and its just not the case any longer.

Just politely asking for a little more civility and a little less bashing...
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How about HDMI 1.4.....
Doesn't exist yet. Won't affect 1080i broadcast TV. Won't affect existing 1.3 compliant hardware.

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USB 3.0.....
WTF? USB 3.0 isn't even released yet. It's downward compatible, at least according to the specs. I won't need a new printer, new mouse, or new anything. I "might" want a new external HD, but that's about it.

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OLED perhaps 2 or 3 or 4 years out.....
Which will have NO affect on my DLP, nor my LCD.

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3D TV.....
Which would have no affect on 2d TV.

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Built in wireless networking..... (LG offers in the USA, Vizio will in a few months)
Which is at best a trivial perk.

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Built in BlueTooth (LG already offers in Europe).
Which is useful how? I hate to say it but BlueTooth isn't popular in the states. Odds are you'll be waiting a long time for decent bluetooth support.

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My TV decisions are based on 4 year windows, becoming more like a computer decision.
What you're talking about are features, not the actual core display. Well, except 3d which pushes the limits on HDMI 1.3, and would require 120hz support. We've been aware for a long time, 10 years ago, that there was a huge push toward digital TV, and HDCP. TVs without HDMI or digital tuners are still in service. You can buy external digital tuners, use cable, or not use a tuner at all.

For my second set, I was totally looking for 40 inches 720P DVI with HDCP. Simply put, it's all I needed for my other PC. Someone else might want something for their console. I happened to get much more than that, but the fact that you'll own a TV for a short time doesn't mean it should be junked.

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The debate is about the last 5% of picture quality (perhaps)

...and perceived reliability.

Of course, the basis for your decision may be different and that's OK. Make the decision that makes the most sense for you.
Or a decsion tat makes the most sense for someon who lives on Earth. I expect a set to last at least a decade. Every CRT I bought except one has lasted at least one decade, most are going on 2. It doesn't matter if I plan to upgrade, just as long as it doesn't hit the landfill.

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Staying on the Korean theme, just a few years ago many considered Hyundai cars junk....now some of their vehicles are rated #1 for initial quality and reliability by JD Powers.
I hate to say it, but Hyndai cars were junk. Their PCs were junk, everything they did as pretty junky. They got better. Nothing to do with Korea, everything to do wiht Hyundai.

There are some great products that come from Korea. There is also some junk, but you could say this from any country.
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Old 09-30-2009, 12:53 AM   #10  
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Oh boy - to each his own.

Enjoy.
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Oh boy - to each his own.

Enjoy.
Seriously, you seem to be under the misguided assumption that a given TV will explode after 4 years, or if it does it's no big deal.

Let's review again.

Bluetooth - The ONLY way I see this being useful is to exchange pics between your HDTV and your camera/phone. This is at best somewhat useful. Any camera worth a damn is going to take SD/xD, and popping out the card and plopping it on the TV, or on your media player, is a little more efficent. I don't see bluetooth being the deal breaker. I can already do this, via my PC, via a HDMI connection.

OLED - This is at least exciting. But again, your set will not explode when this tech becomes mainstream.

USB 3.0 - again presently 2.0 full or high speed tech will not explode or stop working. In fact it will continue to work on USB 3.0, at least that's the idea. You're actually talking to someone who uses firewire, so unless USB offers greater distance over firewire I really don't care.

3D TV - If you want 3D TV, this would require a new set. But it makes more ecconomic sense to sell that old 1080P set to upgrade to 3D TV when it becomes available. A 1080P set will still have value since 720P and 1080i broadcasts are the norm, and will continue to be the norm for some time.

Wireless networking - Limited usefulness at present. Plenty of sets that enjoy wired networking, and given one needs a wifi router anyway to enjoy it, and given the popularity of cable it's pretty much a non issue putting your wifi next to your TV. It may be soon we will have wireless disk players, and that would be awesome. Untill then, wire are hip. But again, the set will not explode, and it makes ecconomic sense to sell that old 1080P set to someone then upgrade, or use that set as a aux set, for games, for PC, whatever.

As soon as more services become available for streaming video, this will be more useful, but at present there are external boxes for this, and PCs.

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My TV decisions are based on 4 year windows, becoming more like a computer decision.
You can upgrade a computer. This is a non issue. Displays have ALWAYS been the thing you feel safe spending money on because they hold their value longer, and display technology moves pretty slowly. EVERYTHING you spoke of with the except of 3D can be had as an external upgrade to a given HDTV set. If you're the sort of person who gots to have it now, all on the set, more power too you. Sell me your old set, for less then half the price you paid for it.

And yes, thinking about what I would want is a factor in buying a set, or rather what someone would want in a second hand set when you upgrade. This way it stays out of the landfill, you get money on your new set, and you get a person willing to drag it away for you. This is not a trivial consideration when we're talking sets 50 inches and larger.
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I stopped posting to this forum because of chronic LG bashing - had to make an exception here.

I just purchased the LG 60PS60 5 weeks ago - no issues and it was a great deal for a 60" plasma panel with a net cost around $1,300.00

I also have had a 50" LG plasma for 4 1/2 years that I just moved to a secondary location.

Again, no issues with that TV ever.

The pattern on this forum is that whenever a post about an LG TV is made the super moderator and the leading poster always bash away.

This stops any reasonable conversation about LG TV's.

Hey, its OK with me, I just look elsewhere for less biased information.


Every brand has its issues and problems if you look around the internet.

I don't know anything about the particular LG model you are inquiring about so I cannot comment on it.

I also have a Vizio 47" LCD in my bedroom and have not had any issues with that TV either.

I will say that both of my LG plamas have a better picture than the Vizio LCD. I do, however, prefer plasma to LCD so you know my prejudice. Also, the Vizio overscans by design.

I did buy the Vizio at Costco a couple of years ago and that's not a bad way to go.

I look at all of these TV's as a disposable consumer product that will be replaced every 4 years or so due to changing technology. That's one of the reasons I look for a best buy for the buck when I purchase. Even if you buy the latest and greatest TV it will be superceded in either picture quality or technolgy in just a short while.
How is it bashing to give my own personal experiences with LG IF (as is true with me) I went through 5 LG DLP displays trying to get one that worked correctly and didn't have varying PQ issues on all of them? How can telling about the same kind of issues my friend had with 1 LG DLP, & 2 LG plasmas? That he had amazingly quick showing of Image Retention with his plasmas that would show the remnants of the TV's own menu screens after less than 1 minute of that menu being on the screen and this was over 1 year after he had it and properly broke it in? How about the 4 pixels on his last LG plasma that blinked red after about a year and it started with the first pixel blinking red after only about 3 months and every couple of months it seemed that another new pixel popped up as bad?

So just because you own an LG display I should not post MY experience when asked, and should lie when they ask for honest opinions? Sorry, but I just cannot do that as I would be lying and I do not do that.

I am glad you love LG and your LG displays, but just because YOU have had good luck doesn't mean everyone else must love LG displays despite have bad issues with them. I do own several LG CD/DVD burners in my computer and those work fine. Does that help?

Stating ones own personal experiences is NOT bashing but relaying own own experiences & opinions which is what we were asked to do.

Oh, and the bias some have is that they paid good money for an LG product and it didn't work as it should. Bias is normal and bad experiences would naturally produce a bias against the product/brand that gave such an experience. You ALSO have a bias FOR LG but apparently having a positive bias is ok, but a negative is not?
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Old 09-30-2009, 05:19 AM   #13  
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Boy am I glad I didn't give my opinion about LG displays, if I had it would have been bashing. You seem to be taking all this personally, please grow up!
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I am not saying that LG sucks!! But, I have seen people who have had problems with them. What is ever in your price range is what you can afford. But, in the long run if you can spring for something a bit more you MAY be better off in the long run!! But you can get way better tvs at BB right now for the same amount of money!!
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Hey, if you want to purchase a Lethargic Gonads TV, that is up to you but they're are much better brands for the same or less money available. I believe this is the point others are making here.
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