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Old 06-14-2005, 11:21 AM   #1  
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Can anyone tell me why I should get Direct TV over Dish network? I have Charter HD right now, was looking at Direct but they want $300 for the HD receiver, Dish wants nothing for theirs. Direct can only offer me like 5 or 6 channels in HD, less than I have now with Cable since I have local HD's with Charter, Dish can get me like 21 HD channels with the VOOM stuff.
Local Dish guys are offering me the $100 VOOM dish for free now, so its $49.95 out of pocket, which I get back on my first bill, and I can have Dish 500, VOOM Dish, and a Winegard antennae for local HD's plus I can get their DVR in the non-HD equipped rooms for free.
Am I missing something by not going to Direct, other than they have some more sport options?
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Old 06-14-2005, 11:28 AM   #2  
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The only reason one would go with DirecTv is for their NFL package,,and I understand that they are losing subscribers since it's no longer in Hi-Def. Unless you fork over for their so-called superfan package. With dishnetwork and locals,,,you will still get a lot of football. Especially local college games.
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Thats kind of what I figured, the local Dish guy told me that their business has been exploding over the last 2 months, he figured due to the VOOM stuff and just the high volume of people buyinh HD sets and going to a dish. Much like me, when they look at the 2 options most are opting towards whoever has the better HD options to go with their new set.
Direct better have something up its sleeve other than possible locals in HD in 14 markets over the next year, that ain't going to cut it. And if they are dropping HD on the sports channels I'd imagine they may loose even more subscribers.
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The way I look at it is this,,they both offer pretty much the same when it comes to basic channels. DishN might be a couple of bucks higher. You start adding premium channels and the content and price stays pretty much the same. When you start looking at HI-DEF,,,,,Dish blows DirecTv back to the days of black & white,,,and a lot cheaper. Now if you really want clean, in your face HD, OTA is the way to go. But that all depends on whats available in your area.
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I just got off the phone with Direct and its more expensive on a monthly basis for less content, its $86 a month and I only get 5 HD channels. I played stupid and asked about the VOOM channels and the woman said "HMM, I don't know what that is, I do know we offer 5 HD's for you and have many more coming on by the end of the year." When I asked what they were she said they haven't told them yet but it will be locals and only in certain markets, probably not mine.
So, for $300 up front and $86 a month I can get 120, HBO, Showtime, and 5 HD's with Direct and probably NOT my locals in HD by years end.
Or, for $0 up front and $81 a month I get 120+, HBO, Showtime, and 21 HD's with Dish and my locals with a free Winegard antennae.
Why the hell does anyone get Direct if they have an HD tv?
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Old 06-14-2005, 04:34 PM   #6  
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Whoever started that rumor is incorrect. In fact, DTV is adding HD sports to the tune of 125 HD NFL games this year on the NFL package. Thats the only option unless you live in your local teams market, which most people who want the NFL package don't.

The reason DTV is slower on other HD networks is simple... the vast minority has HD right now and DTV takes their time. Sure.. everyone on this board (including me) has HD, that's why we are on here. Currently, HD to SD TV's in the USA are at a ratio of 100 to 1 (SD to HD)... so why rush it?

Market share is not dropping DTV for DISH or anyone else. DTV has done nothing but grow over the last 24 months.

Since no other provider will EVER get the NFL package, DTV has all the customers they need right there.

As for Dish Voom.. they offer 20 some odd HD channels, and most of them are junk. I won't buy HD fishing just to have another HD channel.

Voom went out of business for a reason.
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Old 06-14-2005, 07:55 PM   #7  
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I guess I will stick up for DTV. Dude, have you even read any boards on both DTV and Dish forums? Have you done any research on either company? Do you go to their websites and read the latest news?

I'll fill you in since you asked and then answered your own answers. It really sounds like your a Dish fan anyways and came over to try and convice someone that Dish is better.

Yea Yea Yea, you can go with Dish for free..and get HD programming from a failed company that was PURCHASED by Dish just to say they have HD programming that they couldnt do ON THEIR OWN. Ok, so now they have some HD programming..so whats the future? What's their lasted Research and Development looking into? NOTHING. Sports? NOPE..HD movies? so? you can watch them on a DVD player..if a movie is made in 480 its going to be in 480 no matter if its on a HD channel or not. New programs? LOL whatever..your going to be STUCK with the same CRAP for years.

So what about us DTV customers? Where do I start? I going to be watching TRUE HD football, baseball, basketball, racing and tons of other stuff..Did I mention that I'm going to be getting all my locals in HD in a few months? Did I mention that they sent/sending BRAND NEW BIRDS to give me tons of new HD programming in the future as it becomes available? What about a solid company when the bidding process becomes available? I'd say DTV will outbid anyone.

Funny how one person said that DTV will lose customers because of the Superfan thing. He is right in a way, DTV will lose some..But I would bet everything I have that they will GAIN MORE than they will lose. Easy.

Why get DTV over Dish? You and everyone reading this (HD lovers) will eventually move to DTV later this year when the birds are activated. So join the winning team now or JUMP ON THE BANDWAGON LATER...if you are a jumper then I feel sorry for ya..

Good luck with your extra HD channels for now..I'll be kicking back in my chair with an ice cold Miller Lite watching HD football and I will not be thinking of your suffering...See you on these boards at the end of the year!!
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Old 06-14-2005, 08:14 PM   #8  
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I guess I will stick up for DTV. Dude, have you even read any boards on both DTV and Dish forums? Have you done any research on either company? Do you go to their websites and read the latest news?

I'll fill you in since you asked and then answered your own answers. It really sounds like your a Dish fan anyways and came over to try and convice someone that Dish is better.

Yea Yea Yea, you can go with Dish for free..and get HD programming from a failed company that was PURCHASED by Dish just to say they have HD programming that they couldnt do ON THEIR OWN. Ok, so now they have some HD programming..so whats the future? What's their lasted Research and Development looking into? NOTHING. Sports? NOPE..HD movies? so? you can watch them on a DVD player..if a movie is made in 480 its going to be in 480 no matter if its on a HD channel or not. New programs? LOL whatever..your going to be STUCK with the same CRAP for years.


So what about us DTV customers? Where do I start? I going to be watching TRUE HD football, baseball, basketball, racing and tons of other stuff..Did I mention that I'm going to be getting all my locals in HD in a few months? Did I mention that they sent/sending BRAND NEW BIRDS to give me tons of new HD programming in the future as it becomes available? What about a solid company when the bidding process becomes available? I'd say DTV will outbid anyone.


Funny how one person said that DTV will lose customers because of the Superfan thing. He is right in a way, DTV will lose some..But I would bet everything I have that they will GAIN MORE than they will lose. Easy.


Why get DTV over Dish? You and everyone reading this (HD lovers) will eventually move to DTV later this year when the birds are activated. So join the winning team now or JUMP ON THE BANDWAGON LATER...if you are a jumper then I feel sorry for ya..


Good luck with your extra HD channels for now..I'll be kicking back in my chair with an ice cold Miller Lite watching HD football and I will not be thinking of your suffering...See you on these boards at the end of the year!!

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Old 06-14-2005, 08:19 PM   #9  
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you can watch them on a DVD player..if a movie is made in 480 its going to be in 480 no matter if its on a HD channel or not.
Im no expert, but Im pretty sure movies are NOT made in 480i/p .. they are all compressed to that format
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Old 06-14-2005, 08:47 PM   #10  
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The guy who said "Dish gets local HD college sports" as a defense for Dish.. I have news for you.... all local college games are in HD if it's broadcast by an HD feed in your area regardless of your provider. OTA is OTA... Dish will NOT have more HD college games than DTV, guaranteed.

It appears OBLI (whatever his name is) just hates DTV, but his research is incorrect and unfounded.

When it comes right down to it, any investor in the stock market knows darn well that DTV will be the HD leader in a matter of a year. The other guy said it best... you can wait and jump on the bandwagon when it happens or get prepared now.

My suggestion is to do your own research and don't flog for opinions from opinionated people on a chat board. By doing simple research, you will learn for yourself who the real leader will be.

I've read a bunch of crap about all these HD stations coming out, but look at them. Look at what they broadcast. It's a joke.

Things are FREE for a reason. They have no customers. DTV charges because they can. A few years ago, DISH didn't even have MLB or NHL because they thought it was too expensive. The only reason they got it is because DTV was blowing them away. Coors signed up with DTV because they knew DTV was never giving up the NFL (which is NOT going away and WILL be in HD).

Follow the leader...

Its sort of like buying Doritos v.s the store brand nacho chips. The store brand is 1/2 the price, but they taste like crap and will never improve.

DISH will always envy DTV and will always be #2.
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Old 06-15-2005, 06:24 AM   #11  
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Hey madsedan, don't listen to Traak and HitDog. They're DirecTV cheerleaders and aren't being objective.

The fact is, this rebroadcaster market is in major transition. NO ONE can make statements about who will be the winner or loosers in 5 years after this all shakes out. It's true DirecTV has been the leading Sat rebroadcaster for the recent past. It's true DirecTV has more subscribers (and more sports options) then DISH. But it's NOT true that DirecTV is the guaranteed winner in the end. In fact, as a heavily invested DirecTV customer myself (5 DVR's, HD package, NFL-ST, etc.) I'm concerned that they have made some recent bad decisions and that I may be betting on the wrong horse.

They certainly took too long to get off the starting line with HD. They're certainly not the low cost provider anymore for basic service OR their HiDef programming. On top of these disadvantages they now seem to be raising their prices even more on the HD stuff (such as the price increase for NFL Sunday Ticket HD games). That has hurt them a little bit and provided a window of opportunity for their competition. I see this a a foolish mistake. Here's a few points of comparison;

Cable is now providing more and better digital service - DirecTV really hasn't added anything exciting in the last few years except a few HD channels (which they charge large premiums for).

Most Cable providers offer DVR's now (and DirecTV hasn't enhanced their Tivo service in 5 years). That used to be a major advantage for DirecTV that is now virtually gone.

Cable is now starting to offer very cool ON DEMAND ppv service. DirecTV couldn't even get their pathetic interactive service to work 3 years ago and have not really offered anything further in the area of on-demand or interactive services (although they keep promising it).

Cable provides the equipment for receiving their service. DirecTV still expects its customers to buy it.

In addition to all that, you have the next revolution coming which involves Voice Over IP (VoIP) phone service. This is a great service which reduces the cost of phone service by 80%! I use it at my house with Vonage. It's great! The cable companies are starting to bundle this new VoIP service into their offerings along with highspeed internet access they already provide. All this from the same fiber optic cable. This is a HUGE advantage for the cable companies that satellite providers will NEVER be able to provide in the near future unless someone can invent a way to squeeze A LOT more bandwidth into these satellites. I'm concerned it won't happen soon enough to save them. It may NEVER happen given the inherent challenges with launching expensive satellites every few years.

Add into this whole mix the fact that TELEPHONE companies are now starting to get into the rebroadcast business starting this year to compete with cable and satellite. Phone companies all ready have a wire coming into our homes and have now figured out how to squeeze enough data through it to provide similar services currently provided by Cable. I can't provide specific articles but I've read many stories on this near future trend.

So you see, there's lots of changes coming in the next 5 years and DirecTV is far from the guaranteed winner. In fact, most experts don't even see them as the favorite so I don't know how anyone can make guarantees about the future for DirecTV. Let's not spew out opinion and pretend it's somehow a "fact".
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Old 06-15-2005, 07:32 AM   #12  
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So you see Madsedan,,now that we have the DirecTv ranters out of the way, and thier speculation that Dtv will one day rule the world - we can get on with the facts,,simply put,,dollar for dollar,,Dish is giving you the better deal if you want HD. Remember,,,,Directv will not give you HD football - they no longer offer that package. It went from Sunday Ticket, where if you were lucky, you got some games in HD. This year they changed the package and you have to pay for HD football. They call it SuperFan package,,and a lot of people are miffed about it. I call it the SuperFool package.
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Bottom line for me is that I have to pay more per month for less content in HD, and $300 out of pocket.
I will NOT have HD locals from Direct TV for at least another year, but as some educated Direct reps told me yesterday they will likely stop selling the HD receiver as they relize the $300 for HD is hurting their membership.
Direct enrollment has gone up over the last few months but nothing like the enrollment rate for Dish, thats from the same source.
I wasn't trying to anger any Direct people I just wanted objective reasons why I should go with Direct over Dish, I don't think I got much other than I will eventually switch to Direct anyway so I might as well do it now???
My local Direct dealer told me that my local market likely wouldn't have local HD's until mid-2006 at the earliest, only about 14 markets will get them this year, I already have them with Charter cable, and that by the time that occurs the equipment will be free or very little charge from Direct.
So, shouldn't I go with a no money charge now with less monthly payment and more channels and then when Direct is free or very cheap and they have more options I can just switch over to them?
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You speak wisely young man---this is great

"So, shouldn't I go with a no money charge now with less monthly payment and more channels and then when Direct is free or very cheap and they have more options I can just switch over to them?"

But I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for Direct to become cheap or free!
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Yes, I'd go the way which minimizes your investment since the future is not certain. That's what makes cable more and more of a viable option these days (unless you want NFL). Since I already have DirecTV (bought it in 1999 when it had a clear advantage over cable) and since I want/need the NFL access, I'll be staying with DirecTV (for now). However, if I was making a fresh decision today on which way to go, I doubt I'd make the same decision I made in 1999
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