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Old 03-15-2008, 10:40 AM   #1  
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We recently got D-TV. We had Charter HD service here in Ma. since it was first avalable in our area. We thought with all the hype and commercials about how much better the HD & SD PQ that we'd blown away with the difference in PQ. We're not at all and in fact we quite dissappointed with the HD & SD PQ in comparsion to the PQ we were getting from Charter HD, especially the HD. We had 2 of the 8300 HDDVR boxes that Charter offers. I've been going back and forth with D-TV and the techs have been here 3 or 4 times checking everything from dish alignment and signal strength and whatever else they could test. We have 2 brand new H-21 boxes and 1 of the silver HD boxes in our recreation rm and they all look the same as far as PQ goes, poor at best. I have been playing around with it for a couple of months and here is what I've figured out so far. It really seems to be limited to the local broadcasts only as far as I can see. We record a bunch of shows as we did with our old Charter DVR boxes and watch them when we can. The show Lost for example with our old Charter HD service used to look like watching the Discovery HD in the outdoor scenes & now I just watched the episode from the other night and it looks SO poor it almost looks SD. Lots of tiling and macro blocking. It is so disappointing. My wife loves Grey's Anatomy & ER and those shows looked fantastic with our old equipment also and now they look like crap too!! If we are watching Golf or a football game or almost anything live it looks pretty damn good BUT not better than what we had with Charter HD. I would be happy and wouldn't complain if it the PQ was the same because of all the extra HD channels we are receiving with the D-TV package. We have a 60" Sony SXRD with 1 of the HDDVR boxes in our living hooked up with a $150 dollar Monster HDMI cable but I've went back & forth with a component cable with no change in PQ. I have a Toshiba A-30 HDDVD player hooked up with the cheapo $2 dollar HDMI cable the the D-TV guys brought and that PQ just BLOWS away the D-TV PQ but that is a whole different deal & I do know that. We have a 42" Philips plasma in our bedroom & the other HDDVR hooked through a component cable because I have Toshiba A-2 HDDVD player using the HDMI out for the upconversion of SDDVD's BUT I've switched back & forth with the HDMI cable with no change in PQ. Has anyone else had the same problems as us and if so what have you been able to do about it because we are really really disappointed with the PQ of D-TV!! Sorry for the ranting but I wanted to put in as much info as I could think of to help anyone who may be able to help us out.


Living rm 60" Sony SXRD
Yamaha HTR 5990 HT 7.1 980 wt. receiver
D-TV H-21 HDDVR box
Def Tech 7004 powered towers
Velodyne 500 wt sub
Cambridge Soundworks center, rear surrounds & rear & front presence spkrs 12 total spkrs in system
Toshiba A-30 HDDVD player
Sony PS3 80gb/ BluRay

Bedroom Philips 42" plasma
D-TV H-21 HDDVR box
Pioneer 500 wt 5.1 receiver
Cambridge Soundworks 5.1 HT in a box. Sounds pretty nice for cheap dough too.
Toshiba A-2 HDDVD player

Pool Room
32" Westinghouse LCD HDTV
D-TV H-20 HD box
Pioneer 500 wt 5.1 receiver
Old Bose 5.1 system which actually sounds pretty good in there for what it is.

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Old 03-15-2008, 10:51 AM   #2  
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You're not used to the compression that DirecTV uses. That's what you get with satellite service. Charter probably didn't
have such a compression requirement. It sucks, but what can you do. You just gotta get used to it I guess. Watching
on a 60" tv doesn't help either.

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It sounds more like other issues. The differences should not be that noticeable...
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Sorry if I missed this in your first post, but it was difficult to read (FYI, try posting in paragraphs): At which resolution do you have your receiver set? Do you have native on or native off?
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Old 03-15-2008, 11:12 AM   #5  
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I have the 2 H-21 HDDVR receivers set to Native ON and 480p, 720p and 1080i all on. I have the Yamaha receiver set to pass through on the video end on the living room set up. The D-TV guys were just here this morning and said that I'm the 1st person to complain about HD PQ that came from Charter cable. I find that VERY hard to believe!!! I showed them the Lost recording that I watched last night and they saw what I was talking about but didn't have very much to say. That being said I've tried Native off & 1080i only to switching from HDMI to component cables & messed with the TV's settings until I'm blue in the face with NO changes at all. The D-TV signals are always from the low 90's to 99-100 so it is defintely not any of these things.

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Old 03-15-2008, 11:39 AM   #6  
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(Here. is this better? i was in a hurry the first time, but i didn't find much to make it easier to read.)

We recently got D-TV. We had Charter HD service here in Ma. since it was first available in our area. We thought with all the hype and commercials about how much better the HD & SD PQ that we'd be blown away by the difference in PQ. We're not at all and in fact we are quite dissappointed with the HD & SD PQ in comparsion to the PQ we were getting from Charter HD, especially the HD programs.

We had 2 of the 8300 HDDVR boxes that Charter offers. I've been going back and forth with D-TV and the techs have been here 3 or 4 times checking everything from dish alignment and signal strength and whatever else they could test. We have 2 brand new H-21 boxes and 1 of the silver HD boxes in our recreation room and they all look the same as far as PQ goes, poor at best. I have been playing around with it for a couple of months and here is what I've figured out so far.

It really seems to be limited to the local broadcasts only as far as I can see. We record a bunch of shows as we did with our old Charter DVR boxes and watch them when we can. The show Lost for example with our old Charter HD service used to look like watching the Discovery HD in the outdoor scenes & now I just watched the episode from the other night and it looks SO poor it almost looks SD. Lots of tiling and macro blocking. It is so disappointing.

My wife loves Grey's Anatomy & ER and those shows looked fantastic with our old equipment also and now they look like crap too!! If we are watching Golf or a football game or almost anything live looks pretty damn good BUT not better than what we had with Charter HD. I would be happy and wouldn't complain if it the PQ was the same because of all the extra HD channels we are receiving with the D-TV package, compared to Charter where we only got about 20 combined.

We have a 60" Sony SXRD with 1 of the HDDVR boxes in our living hooked up with a $150 dollar Monster HDMI cable but I've went back & forth with a component cable with no change in PQ. I have a Toshiba A-30 HDDVD player hooked up with the cheapo $2 dollar HDMI cable the the D-TV guys brought and that PQ just BLOWS away the D-TV PQ but that is a whole different deal & I do know that.

We have a 42" Philips plasma in our bedroom & the other HDDVR hooked through a component cable because I have Toshiba A-2 HDDVD player using the HDMI out for the upconversion of SDDVD's BUT I've switched back & forth with the HDMI cable with no change in PQ. Has anyone else had the same problems as us and if so what have you been able to do about it because we are really really disappointed with the PQ of D-TV!! Sorry for the ranting but I wanted to put in as much info as I could think of to help anyone who may be able to help us out.


Living rm 60" Sony SXRD
Yamaha HTR 5990 HT 7.1 980 wt. receiver
D-TV H-21 HDDVR box
Def Tech 7004 powered towers
Velodyne 500 wt sub
Cambridge Soundworks center, rear surrounds & rear & front presence spkrs 12 total spkrs in system
Toshiba A-30 HDDVD player
Sony PS3 80gb/ BluRay

Bedroom Philips 42" plasma
D-TV H-21 HDDVR box
Pioneer 500 wt 5.1 receiver
Cambridge Soundworks 5.1 HT in a box. Sounds pretty nice for cheap dough too.
Toshiba A-2 HDDVD player

Pool Room
32" Westinghouse LCD HDTV
D-TV H-20 HD box
Pioneer 500 wt 5.1 receiver
Old Bose 5.1 system which actually sounds pretty good in there for what it is.

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Old 03-15-2008, 12:08 PM   #7  
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DIRECTV AM21 Off-Air Dual Tuner for the HR21. If I was to get one of these would it solve the compression problems that you were refering to in your earlier reply to me? There wouldn't be any compression or very little with OTA signal and that should drastically improve the PQ on my locals.
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Old 03-17-2008, 08:03 AM   #8  
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DIRECTV AM21 Off-Air Dual Tuner for the HR21. If I was to get one of these would it solve the compression problems that you were refering to in your earlier reply to me? There wouldn't be any compression or very little with OTA signal and that should drastically improve the PQ on my locals.

If you can get OTA go for it, as it will be better than what you get from Directv
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Old 03-17-2008, 09:26 AM   #9  
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Start by turning the native off...
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Old 03-18-2008, 07:11 AM   #10  
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I got D* yesterday and I too am not overly impressed with the PQ. I had Time Warner's HD for a few weeks just to see how HD looked on my new 42" LCD 1080P (Toshiba 42RV530U). Yesterday I got a H21-100 box with the install and the PQ is slightly worse then what I had with cable. I too played with all the settings but its not all there. Perhaps I need to see a few more basketball games and hockey games to judge better. I am wondering however, when they installed the box they had to run the actual cable through a "box of pencils" size box before plugging it into the H21. There are stickers on the actual H-21 saying that its a "B Band Converter Module". I understand ts a necessity but, can this be compromising my PQ at all since the signal has to go through an extra device?

PS It stinks that MusicHD and Universal HD are extra $$ with D* as they were the best looking channels on Time Warner

PSS: Signal strengths are all over 93

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I have the 2 H-21 HDDVR receivers set to Native ON and 480p, 720p and 1080i all on. I have the Yamaha receiver set to pass through on the video end on the living room set up. The D-TV guys were just here this morning and said that I'm the 1st person to complain about HD PQ that came from Charter cable. I find that VERY hard to believe!!! I showed them the Lost recording that I watched last night and they saw what I was talking about but didn't have very much to say. That being said I've tried Native off & 1080i only to switching from HDMI to component cables & messed with the TV's settings until I'm blue in the face with NO changes at all. The D-TV signals are always from the low 90's to 99-100 so it is defintely not any of these things.
Turn native off and only use 720p or 1080i. Your TV will do a better job at upconverting than your receiver.
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Old 03-20-2008, 10:46 AM   #12  
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I did what you guys said and set Native to off and it seems to be a little better. We kept our cable because we have the internet and phone with them still so last night I rolled out the cable which the DTV guys left behind a desk and the DTV Tech cut the frigin end off which pisses me off to no end. I connected it to the plasma in our bedroom and let it do a channel search so I could do a side by side comparison. The cable PQ BLOWS the DTV PQ away which I knew anway but now I can just switch imputs to see the difference. My wife was shocked at the how much better the cable PQ was. The cable PQ is way way sharper and the DTV now looks very soft and quite filtered or something. I would say that the cable PQ is at least 15-20% better than the DTV PQ. Now I'm really pissed because I fell for all the hype between the TV commercials and people telling me how much better the PQ was going to be if I was to switch from cable tv over to DTV which CLEARLY is not the case....
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This compression issue, is it unavoidable or can you throw money at it and fix it (can DTV use better or more satellite equipment to make the issue go away) ?
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I did what you guys said and set Native to off and it seems to be a little better. We kept our cable because we have the internet and phone with them still so last night I rolled out the cable which the DTV guys left behind a desk and the DTV Tech cut the frigin end off which pisses me off to no end. I connected it to the plasma in our bedroom and let it do a channel search so I could do a side by side comparison. The cable PQ BLOWS the DTV PQ away which I knew anway but now I can just switch imputs to see the difference. My wife was shocked at the how much better the cable PQ was. The cable PQ is way way sharper and the DTV now looks very soft and quite filtered or something. I would say that the cable PQ is at least 15-20% better than the DTV PQ. Now I'm really pissed because I fell for all the hype between the TV commercials and people telling me how much better the PQ was going to be if I was to switch from cable tv over to DTV which CLEARLY is not the case....
Next, make sure your receiver is set to either 1080i or 720p, depending on your TV. Keep hitting the "res" button until the 1080 or 720 light is lit up on your receiver.
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Old 03-21-2008, 07:39 PM   #15  
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Sounds like you need to cancel directv and go back with Charter. What do you want us to say? Most of the rest of us are pleased with the product. Sorry we can't help you more and understand exactly what it is you are looking for.
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