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Old 03-10-2008, 04:26 AM   #1  
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I'm considering switching from the dreaded Comcast, and trying to digest the changes I'll encounter.

In nosing around the DirecTV Web site, I noticed one troubling thing: except for the local channels, the HD channel lineup appears to be hopelessly disorganized. In the linear lineup, why doesn't DirecTV make an effort to place all the news and business channels together, all the sports channels together, all the home improvement channels together, etc.?

It sure looks as if it must be terribly inconvenient to jump all over the dial to find similar programming, especially news and business...Is the hassle I think it is?
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Just select HD channels only in the guide options and it shouldn't be a problem. Some channels are scattered about, but I don't care and if they add more channels and those are scattered about as well, I will just be happy to get the new channels.

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Old 03-10-2008, 06:07 AM   #3  
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for the most part they are grouped. locals are below 100.
100-200 are ppv's
major sports networks (espn, nfl, nhl, btn) are in the early 200's (204-220)
after that is some shopping networks
then "regular" networks (usa, fx, tnt, etc)
then you get all the discovery's together
then all the music channels (mtv, bet, vh1, etc)
then the cartoon networks..

you get the point.
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I'm considering switching from the dreaded Comcast, and trying to digest the changes I'll encounter.

In nosing around the DirecTV Web site, I noticed one troubling thing: except for the local channels, the HD channel lineup appears to be hopelessly disorganized. In the linear lineup, why doesn't DirecTV make an effort to place all the news and business channels together, all the sports channels together, all the home improvement channels together, etc.?

It sure looks as if it must be terribly inconvenient to jump all over the dial to find similar programming, especially news and business...Is the hassle I think it is?
Can you give an example of what is out of place. Except for CNN, they are all together. All of the news channels and business channels are grouped, except CNN. All of the sports channels are group. All of the RSN's are grouped. All of the shopping channels are grouped. All of the home improvement and cooking channels are grouped. All of the discovery and science channels are grouped together. All of the movie channels are grouped. All of the PPV are grouped. All of the sports packages are grouped. All of the HD channels are directly next to their SD counterpart.
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Can you give an example of what is out of place. Except for CNN, they are all together. All of the news channels and business channels are grouped, except CNN. All of the sports channels are group. All of the RSN's are grouped. All of the shopping channels are grouped. All of the home improvement and cooking channels are grouped. All of the discovery and science channels are grouped together. All of the movie channels are grouped. All of the PPV are grouped. All of the sports packages are grouped. All of the HD channels are directly next to their SD counterpart.
ESPNs/NFL/NHL should be with the RSNs. It's always been a pet peeve of mine.
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It does sound as if some logical grouping is being used after all, though it is not immediately obvious to prospective new DirecTV customers. If you look at the first HD marketing page a you come to on DirecTV's Web site, it is difficult to get a clear idea of the linear channel lineup and the organization that is being used, because the logos on the page that outline the HD channels being offered are not ordered by channel...

In particular, it seems logical that the HD News, Business & Financial, Weather and Sports News channels all be grouped together (collectively), because that's how we all have been conditioned to look for this information by traditional media (newspapers) and with some exceptions, cable TV. (It's also happens to be a very good way to organization this information). However, in this instance, it doesn't appear as if this is being done to this extent by DirecTV. The omission of CNN HD and MSNBC HD from this organization seems a bit confusing. What about Fox News? Where is it located?

Thanks for the feedback -- except for the HD news channels, you've all helped allay this concern. When you're making a service switch, some semblance of familiarity can be helpful.

I have a few other basic issues to ponder but will do more research and may post separate questions on those. They are...
- SD picture quality: On this web site, most DirecTV customers seem to think it is poor. Usually, our SD Comcast channels in Sacramento are over-compressed, fuzzy and extremely inconsistent; they can be very poor for weeks on end and then will be good for a few hours, days or weeks, only to revert to poor again...This pain is amplified because we only have about 15, full-time HD channels. This has been going on for four years...
- HD resolution: I understand that MPEG 4 vastly improves picture quality but does DirecTV still downsample the 1080i channels? No one has been able to definitively answer this question, which leads me to believe they do...To a trained eye, the DirecTV MPEG-2 (1080i) HD channels are noticeably inferior (lack sharpness) compared to Comcast's 1080i HD channels...
- Alternative Internet service: like the HDTV, Comcast's Internet speeds also are inconsistent, and usually much slower than advertised
- Reception: With tall redwood trees along the southern exposure of our home
- Who best to call for service: the national # or a local installer?

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All of the news and business stations are grouped together, except for CNN. Channels 350 through 364

350 CSPAN
351 CSPAN 2
353 Bloomberg
355 CNBC
356 MSNBC
357 CNBC World
359 Fox Business
360 Fox News
362 Weather Channel
364 BBC
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Sort of. At this sub-level, they're still organized by network, rather than by content. At some point, content should be grouped together (news channels with news channels, etc.). When people are watching news, they naturally jump back and forth between the news channels. At some point in the sub-organization, linear oreder by content makes more sense. During the news hours, , we already have to jump back and forth between the locals and these network news channels for some stories...

...I wonder just why would CNN be separated?

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I don't think anybody watches CNN...do they?
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Sort of. At this sub-level, they're still organized by network, rather than by content. At some point, content should be grouped together (news channels with news channels, etc.).
If they grouped all the channels together then what would you have to complain about?

Besides RFD is channel 379. What else is better than that.

And before someone else beats me to it.... There is a select group of HD only channels that require an additional subscription of $4.99 a month. $4.99 yes $4.99, highway robbery, bait and switch, your choice, unfair taxation, call it what you will. It's 4.99

Sorry for the long post but if the redwoods are in the way, contact Mr.Twixx. He can have them down and gone within 30 minutes. I'd order Domino's when he starts so that he can have a nice dinner afterwards.
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Old 03-12-2008, 06:31 PM   #11  
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I wish that would be the first option instead of the last.No way to change it or scroll up and get there.Also I wish there was a lock button .
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I wish there was a lotto button.
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Geez Arnaldo...way to set an initial impression on this forum.
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