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Old 12-01-2005, 03:56 AM   #1
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Have been with DirecTV for years and am just about to install new HP MD6580 tv which has 1080p ability and HDMI inputs.
Am wondering if I should stay with satellite HD or switch back to cable (Brighthouse) for the best HD quality?
Any input would be appreciated.
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Old 12-01-2005, 05:28 AM   #2
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I don't have HD installed yet, but if I were to take a wicked guess, I would have to say it all depends who offers more HD channels. HD programming doesn't really vary depending who the supplier is. It lookds great no matter who provides it. But you may want the company who offers the most HD channels.


Correct me if I am wrong, guys.
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Old 12-01-2005, 06:12 AM   #3
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Jack2005,
Look at the over all picture of things ....
What is your local cable companies doing to advance at the moment ?

You are with D*, Are you happy ?
Everything other than what you have, always looks better ...

How does your cable companies HD programming differ from D* ?
Are there channels that you can't do without ?

How many HD channels that either company offers, would you actually watch after a month or so of having the packages.

I find that I really don't watch the small # of channels that D* offers, other than HDNET and ESPN's

The above post is accurate too. If set up properly HD sigals should look just as good as one another on the same TV.

If they are running 1080i or 720p, the same info is going to the same TV, picture should be the same.


If your currently with D* , why change, unless your not happy for some reason,
Looking at the Big picture , there is a lot to look forward to with D*,
I think over all, it is taking a while to get everything implimented, but I think D* has more to offer in the long run, once the HD locals are up and running we will see more HD programming.

Most people can already get local HD, if they are close enough to thier towers, I have to adnit, the HD locals are awesome.

Take youer time and look at all your options, look to see where each company is headed, keep in mind that D* brings out NEW equipment and improvements on a regular basis, that doesn't mean you have to jump into the new stuff everytime something comes out, check everything out, see what you like and or want.

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Old 12-01-2005, 07:04 AM   #4
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Thanks for the thoughts - sometimes you don't see the forest for all the trees, and that certainly is the case in my doing a better comparison between the HD programming from my cable provider to that of D.
The biggest question I was focusing on had to do with the quality and 1080 aspects. Thought I had heard that the satellitte services were behind, or going to loose ground in that area, and from what I'm reading, that is not the case - or is there something I'm missing?
Thanks again.
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Most people can already get local HD, if they are close enough to thier towers, I have to adnit, the HD locals are awesome.

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Speaking of local channels (sorry for hijacking this thread), I contacted DirecTV yesterday and the lady said that they do not carry local channels in HD in my area, but I can get them through an OTA. How is that? I get local channels through my satellite, how come I can't get local HD channels then? Also, if I can get them through an OTA, why not through DTV?
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Yanks...D* does not carry the HD locals in all markets yet. They are in the process of going to the new MPEG4 compression, which will allow them more bandwidth on the satellites in order to get you and everyone else their locals over the dish. You can use an over the air antenna to get your locals in HD in the meantime. The reason for this is that your local stations should be broadcasting in HD already and you can access them with an antenna. I do not know what market you are in, but here is a list of markets and ROUGHLY the order in which D* is rolling the local HD package out to them:
Major Markets
1. New York, NY
2. Los Angeles, CA
3. Chicago, IL
4. Philadelphia, PA
5. Boston, MA
6. San Francisco, CA
7. Dallas, TX
8. Washington, DC
9. Atlanta, GA
10. Houston, TX
11. Detroit, MI
12. Tampa, FL
13. Seattle, WA
14. Phoenix, AZ
15. Minneapolis, MN
16. Cleveland, OH
17. Miami, FL
18. Denver, CO
19. Sacramento, CA
20. Orlando, FL
21. St. Louis, MO
22. Pittsburgh, PA
23. Portland, OR
24. Baltimore, MD
25. Indianapolis, IN
26. San Diego, CA
27. Charlotte, NC
28. Hartford, CT
29. Raleigh, NC
30. Nashville, TN
31. Kansas City, MO
32. Columbus, OH
33. Milwaukee, WI
34. Cincinnati, OH
35. Greenville, SC
36. Salt Lake City, UT
37. San Antonio, TX
38. West Palm Beach, FL
39. Grand Rapids, MI
40. Birmingham, AL
41. Harrisburg, PA
42. Norfolk, VA
43. New Orleans, LA
44. Memphis, TN
45. Oklahoma City, OK
46. Albuquerque, NM
47. Greensboro, NC
48. Las Vegas, NV
49. Buffalo, NY
50. Louisville, KY
51. Providence, RI
52. Jacksonville, FL
53. Austin, TX
54. Wilkes Barre, PA
55. Albany, NY
56. Fresno, CA
57. Little Rock, AR
58. Knoxville, TN
59. Dayton, OH
60. Richmond, VA
61. Tulsa, OK
62. Mobile, AL
63. Lexington, KY
64. Charleston, WV
65. Flint, MI
66. Ft. Myers, FL
67. Wichita, KS
68. Roanoke, VA
69. Green Bay, WI
70. Toledo, OH
71. Tucson, AZ
72. Honolulu, HI
73. Des Moines, IA
74. Portland, ME
75. Omaha, NE
76. Syracuse, NY
77. Springfield, MO
78. Spokane, WA
79. Rochester, NY
80. Paducah, KY
81. Shreveport, LA
82. Champaign, IL
83. Columbia, SC
84. Huntsville, AL
85. Madison, WI
86. Chattanooga, TN
87. South Bend, IN
88. Cedar Rapids, IA
89. Jackson, MS
90. Burlington, VT
91. Tri-Cities, TN-VA
92. Harlingen, TX
93. Colorado Springs, CO
94. Waco, TX
95. Davenport, IA
96. Baton Rouge, LA
97. Savannah, GA
98. Johnstown, PA
99. El Paso, TX
100. Evansville, IN
101. Charleston, SC
102. Youngstown, OH
103. Lincoln, NE
104. Ft. Smith, AR
105. Greenville, NC
106. Ft. Wayne, IN
107. Myrtle Beach, SC
108. Springfield, MA
109. Tallahassee, FL
110. Lansing, MI
111. Tyler, TX
112. Reno, NV
113. Traverse City, MI
114. Sioux Falls, SD
115. Augusta, GA
116. Montgomery, AL
117. Peoria, IL
118. Fargo, ND
119. Boise, ID
120. Macon, GA
121. Eugene, OR
122. Santa Barbara, CA
123. La Crosse, WI
124. Lafayette, LA
125. Monterey, CA
126. Yakima, WA
127. Columbus, GA
128. Bakersfield, CA
129. Corpus Christi, TX
130. Chico, CA
131. Amarillo, TX
132. Columbus, MS
133. Rockford, IL
134. Wausau, WI
135. Monroe, LA
136. Topeka, KS
137. Duluth, MN
138. Columbia, MO
139. Wilmington, NC
140. Beaumont, TX
141. Medford, OR
142. Erie, PA
143. Sioux City, IA
144. Wichita Falls, TX
145. Joplin, MO
146. Lubbock, TX
147. Albany, GA
148. Salisbury, MD
149. Bluefield, WV
150. Terre Haute, IN
151. Bangor, ME
152. Rochester, MN
153. Palm Springs, CA
154. Wheeling, WV
155. Anchorage, AK
156. Binghamton, NY
157. Panama City, FL
158. Biloxi, MS
159. Odessa, TX
160. Minot, ND
161. Sherman, TX
162. Gainesville, FL
163. Idaho Falls, ID
164. Abilene, TX
165. Clarksburg, WV
166. Utica, NY
167. Hattiesburg, MS
168. Missoula, MT
169. Quincy, IL
170. Yuma, AZ
171. Billings, MT
172. Dothan, AL
173. Elmira, NY
174. Jackson, TN
175. Lake Charles, LA
176. Alexandria, LA
177. Rapid City, SD
178. Watertown, NY
179. Jonesboro, AR
180. Marquette, MI
181. Harrisonburg, VA
182. Greenwood, MS
183. Bowling Green, KY
184. Meridian, MS
185. Lima, OH
186. Charlottesville, VA
187. Grand Junction, CO
188. Laredo, TX
189. Great Falls, MT
190. Parkersburg, WV
191. Lafayette, IN
192. Twin Falls, ID
193. Butte, MT
194. Eureka, CA
195. Cheyenne, WY
196. San Angelo, TX
197. Bend, OR
198. Casper, WY
199. Ottumwa, IA
200. Mankato, MN
201. St. Joseph, MO
202. Zanesville, OH
203. Fairbanks, AK
204. Presque Isle, ME
205. Victoria, TX
206. Helena, MT
207. Juneau, AK
208. Alpena, MI
209. North Platte, NE
210. Glendive, MT
I believe the first 12 markets should be completed by the end of this month/year. And pretty much all markets should be completed by the end of 2006.
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Old 12-01-2005, 08:25 AM   #7
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I live in Birmingham, AL and I was wondering should I invest $150 into an OTA or should I just wait until next year when I can get my locals in HD for base price?
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I live in Birmingham, AL and I was wondering should I invest $150 into an OTA or should I just wait until next year when I can get my locals in HD for base price?
I would never give up my OTA setup, I live in S TN almost on AL border. Birmingham has the same type of tornado threat we do, and it is almost certain that you will lose your D* locals in tornado weather due to rain fade.
You will have to pay 10.99 min a month for the D* HD package in order to get your locals in HD. Your D* locals will be more compressed than OTA. Check web posts and you will find that D* is only carrying primary HD channels, not all the neat subchannels that the OTA broadcasters are providing (local 24/7 weather, "the Tube music videos"). Finally if you shop aroung you can probably do the antenna installation yourself for under $100.

I'm looking at the FCC Birmingham data and it looks like all your locals are UHF, I had previously thought that WBIQ was at channel 10, but it looks like they have a digital signal at channel 53.

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/audio/tvq.html

This means you can use a UHF ony antenna. Like the channelmaster 4228. This brings your cost to less than $100. $60 for the antenna, $20 for the RG-6 coax (Walmart),
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Old 12-01-2005, 01:00 PM   #9
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I was looking at one at Best Buy that is $150. It is a Terk and it should pick UHF and VHF stations. Here are the channels antennaweb says I can get.
* yellow - uhf WVTM-DT 13.1 NBC BIRMINGHAM AL 168 22.7 52
* yellow - uhf WIAT-DT 42.1 CBS BIRMINGHAM AL 170 23.0 30
* yellow - uhf WBRC-DT 6.1 FOX BIRMINGHAM AL 168 22.8 50
* lt green - uhf WDBB-DT 18.1 WB BESSEMER AL TBD 234 37.0 18
* lt green - uhf WTTO-DT 21.1 WB HOMEWOOD AL 170 23.0 28
* lt green - vhf WJSU-DT 40.1 ABC ANNISTON AL 119 30.6 9
* red - uhf WPXH-DT 44.1 i GADSDEN AL 79 24.8 45
* red - uhf WBIQ-DT 10.1 PBS BIRMINGHAM AL 170 23.0 53
* blue - uhf WABM-DT 68.1 UPN BIRMINGHAM AL 170 23.0 36
* violet - vhf WCFT-DT 33.1 ABC TUSCALOOSA AL 236 38.5 5

Would they all pick up with this antenna?

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1091101853739

What would happen if this antenna didn't pick up all of these in HD. Would the D* antenna then pick them up in SD or would this same antenna pick them up in SD or would I just not have a certain channel?
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Terk is NOT a well respected brand... look for major brands like Winegard. antennaweb says you'll need a large directional combo UHF/VHF antenna with a preamp to receive the 'violet' station. Since your stations are in several directions, you'll also need a rotator.

This antenna will also pick up the analog SD stations...

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If this antenna also picks up the analog stations, which one has precedence. Will the HD signal overrule the SD signal or vice versa? As far as the stations being in different directions, they are all south- (west or east) from me so couldn't I just point it south. BTW I just need to pick up up to 68.1. The channel 33 is the same as the channel 40.

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I have installed one of those HDTVs antennas supplied by a customer and was suprised. It did a pretty good job at about 25 miles mounted about 30 feet up.

The antenna does not have a precedence as receiving analog or digital is depending on the receiver. They are on different channels even though your display may say the same channel number. Here in Houston, for example, channel 2 analog is actually channel 35 digital, but I still select channel 2 on my digital receiver.
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Old 02-06-2006, 09:33 PM   #13
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I've been a D* customer for 6 years now, but this week my Sony 60" SXRD is being delivered. After reading through this forum, I'm dumping D*. I live in Denver, and I'm not spending $5,000 on a TV so that I can leap back 20 years in technology and climb onto my roof and put an antenna up. Buy the H20, but then sell it when the new DVR comes out, pfft. F that. D* has really screwed this up. I'm done.
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Old 02-06-2006, 10:55 PM   #14
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The closest you will get to full HD is a OTA antenna if your close enough to the broadcast towers. So spend some money on a good OTA Antenna, It will be the best picture you will get in our lifetime, Unless you buy a new HD DVD player when they come out.
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I have DHD and HD cable the H20 via HDMI is a much more detailed
picture and less noise then HD cable.I use the cable just for recording
HD at 5 Dollars a month you can not go wrong. If you want a stuning
image on the H20 via HDMI add the Razor Vision video enhancer. The
Super Bowl looked great!
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