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Old 07-13-2010, 09:58 PM   #76  
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rbinck, have you heard of the problem I described above, where some of the recordings made with the 1212 won't burn? It's definitely the audio that's the problem. I found that if I loaded the videos into VideoRedo and select the Quickstream fix, the recordings that won't burn show unknown audio type instead of AC3. None of my recent recordings have this problem, but I have quite a few from late 2008 to mid 2009 that have this issue. I think it's a problem with earlier versions of Total Media Extreme (or maybe the driver version for the device), but I haven't heard of anyone else reporting this problem. What do you think?
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Are you using the VideoReDo Suite v4? Do you have any filters installed?

Also just to be clear, they play fine, but won't burn with the audio. Is that correct?

I use convertXtoDVD to burn DVDs. You might give it a try.
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Old 07-14-2010, 08:39 PM   #78  
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Are you using the VideoReDo Suite v4? Do you have any filters installed?

Also just to be clear, they play fine, but won't burn with the audio. Is that correct?

I use convertXtoDVD to burn DVDs. You might give it a try.
Thanks for the reply, rbinck. I've always found a lot of good information and suggestions in your posts.

Yes, I have Suite v4, the latest stuff, which is a great program, by the way (I first read about it in one your posts and bought it a few months ago when they added h.264 support). And yes, they will play fine on a PC, but they just won't burn. What happens when I use TME (either the bundled or full version, I have both) is it goes to 99% and then pops up a message saying the burn failed. If I go to the burn folder before responding to the popup and copy the .m2ts file from the STREAM folder to another location, the video is fine but there's no audio. Once I respond to the prompt, the contents of the burn folder gets deleted since the burn wasn't successful.

I also tried the freeware app MultiAVCHD and it errors out on the problem videos as well. I noticed that all of the problems files were from late 2008 to mid 2009 (I recorded a bunch of football games last fall and all burned successfully), so I started checking the streams in VideoRedo (and by the way, the same thing happens to unedited files, so I know it isn't an issue with VideoRedo). I noticed that the ones that fail to burn always show "unknown" for the audio stream instead of AC3. The stream information will be nearly identical to a video that doesn't have the problem - under the "MPEG4/AVC Video, PID: x1011", it will show "1 -- Unknown: 15, PID: 1100" for the audio. In other words, it looks identical except for the "Unknown" in place of "AC3". I had the same thing happen a few months ago when I used a trial version of Cineform - it showed unknown audio instead of AC3. I thought it was a problem with Cineform at the time, so I didn't buy it, but it seems to be an issue with the video capture from the Hauppauge PVR.

I haven't come across this problem on any videos captured starting in the fall of 2009, but quite a few of my earlier captures (probably about a third) have the problem and can't be burned as a result.

Thanks for the suggestion on ConvertXtoDVD, I'll take a look. I'm trying to find a way to salvage some of the problem videos so I can burn them to DVDs or BD-Rs.
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I would be interested in whether convertXtoDVD ends up working. It may be a bug in the capture software at the time they were made.

If I were attacking it I would play the files on one PC into the 1212 on another to generate a new file that would burn. I'm set up with 3 HTPCs so I can record anything that will play on a PC, but I don't know if that is possible for you.

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Thanks, I'll let you know what happens with convertxtodvd. I think you're probably right, that it was a bug in the capture software. I recall back in 2009 there were several software upgrades - it seemed like every few days I was being prompted to upgrade when I opened the program. And none of my recent captures have this problem.
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Just started reading about this device, and I am really excited to try it. I do not have a Win 7 rig to use at my Directv/Plasma set up yet, but I do have a Lenovo T400 laptop with Windows 7
Ultimate 32 bit installed with 3GB of memory, and the ATIMOBILTYRADEON3470 256MB card.
I have the Intel 160GB SSD, and can attach an external drive or use a converter to add a 320gb Seagate laptop HDD in the CD bay.

Until I can build or obtain a bigger rig, I would like to use this set up for occasional recording. Will this laptop have enough horsepower to get the job done in the interim?

Thanks for any input you can give!
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Just started reading about this device, and I am really excited to try it. I do not have a Win 7 rig to use at my Directv/Plasma set up yet, but I do have a Lenovo T400 laptop with Windows 7
Ultimate 32 bit installed with 3GB of memory, and the ATIMOBILTYRADEON3470 256MB card.
I have the Intel 160GB SSD, and can attach an external drive or use a converter to add a 320gb Seagate laptop HDD in the CD bay.

Until I can build or obtain a bigger rig, I would like to use this set up for occasional recording. Will this laptop have enough horsepower to get the job done in the interim?

Thanks for any input you can give!
Your laptop should be good enough to allow recording via the 1212. I would suggest using an external USB drive to store the recordings rather than a drive in the CD bay though. That way the recordings can easily be transferred to the new PC later.

Also for viewing your recordings you could get a ASUS O!Play - TV HD Media Player so the recording can be played over your LAN or the USB drive can be connected directly to the ASUS player. That way you don't need to interface your laptop to the plasma even or run the risk that the laptop won't be able to play the files.

It takes more computer power to play the recordings than it does to record them because the 1212 box does the video to h.264 video conversion and formatting. The playback however requires decoding the h.264 video codec in the PC which can take a lot of PC power compared to just storing the formatted files on a hard disk.
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Your laptop should be good enough to allow recording via the 1212... I would suggest using an external USB drive to store the recordings
Thanks you for the prompt reply. I am new to using Windows 7 Media Center for recording. If the recorded program is saved to a neworked drive, can I open the same file in by desktop which would have more than enough horsepower for playback and transfer to Blu-ray?
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Thanks you for the prompt reply. I am new to using Windows 7 Media Center for recording. If the recorded program is saved to a neworked drive, can I open the same file in by desktop which would have more than enough horsepower for playback and transfer to Blu-ray?
With the 1212 you would use the software that comes with the unit for recording not the Windows 7 Media Center. The software supplied is a modified version of Total Media Theater and it also has a player built in if the computer is capable of playing HD material. As far as I know the 1212 does not play well with Media Center.
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With the 1212 you would use the software that comes with the unit for recording not the Windows 7 Media Center. The software supplied is a modified version of Total Media Theater and it also has a player built in if the computer is capable of playing HD material. As far as I know the 1212 does not play well with Media Center.
Hauppauge's website now has a link to a sofware update that supposedly makes the 1212 fully compatible with Windows 7 Media Center. I do not have enough posts on this forum to allow me link yet, or I would provide it in this post.

My main desire is to be able to permenantly archive sports events recorded from my Directv hd recorder. But what I really do not want to do is mess up the usability of my livingroom Directv setup. I have too many people wanting to watch other programming and record their own shows to the Directv unit. I cannot have the 1212, with its own seperate shedule start hijacking my Directv unit while others are trying to watch or record something else.

If I used the T400 as the source pc with the 1212, and used a networked storage device for saving the files from the T400, would I then have access to those files saved on the networked drive from my desktop PC to edit and burn them to DVD?

My guess is that the 1212 would be in the room with my plasma and directv gear, and turned off. Only when I got ready to record a program in HD would I run in with the T400, guerilla style, turn on the 1212 and save the program to the networked drive. If I wanted to play the saved file back on the plasma, it looks like the Asus player you mentioned would do the trick, without having to hook up the T400.

Do my plans make any sense?
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Yes they make sense. The only thing that might need to be different is the 1212 may need to be left on if you use the component video going through the 1212. The way it wires id the component video + audio come out of the Directv receiver into the 1212. The out of the 1212 to the TV and surround receiver if so equipped. You don't need to keep the 1212 connected to a PC to allow the pass through of the video, but it does need to be left on. Now if you are connecting the Directv receiver to the TV with a HDMI cable, you could turn off the 1212 when not in use, but some receivers don't allow both component and HDMI at the same time.
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That is correct. You would have access to any PC on your network. HDTV files don't seem to play well with wireless connections, but copying them work fine. I also find the editing to be a bit sluggish over the network, so I usually copy the files to the PC that I use to edit the files with.

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Yes they make sense. The only thing that might need to be different is the 1212 may need to be left on if you use the component video going through the 1212. The way it wires id the component video + audio come out of the Directv receiver into the 1212. The out of the 1212 to the TV and surround receiver if so equipped. You don't need to keep the 1212 connected to a PC to allow the pass through of the video, but it does need to be left on. Now if you are connecting the Directv receiver to the TV with a HDMI cable, you could turn off the 1212 when not in use, but some receivers don't allow both component and HDMI at the same time.
That is correct. You would have access to any PC on your network. HDTV files don't seem to play well with wireless connections, but copying them work fine. I also find the editing to be a bit sluggish over the network, so I usually copy the files to the PC that I use to edit the files with.
OK. Multiple components are on the way. 1212 and LaCie network drive should arrive today. I ordered and received the WD Live Plus on Saturday and hooked it up mostly without incident. I say mostly. The Netflix service would not operate through the HDMI cable, so I wound up using the component outputs instead, and that cured the problem. This seems to be a known issue with the current firmware according to posts on the WD forums.

Everything else seems to be working fine: I copied DVD files to the usb drive that I temporarily attached to the WD Live plus, and the files were read like a DVD, with the menu, for playback. My plans are to install the networked drive, get it working with existing components and my desktop, and then to install the 1212.

Wish me luck!
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Hooked up the PVR last night and copied some video without incident. It looks great, and I am certainly satisfed with the video quality, but I am looking forward to editing, manipulating and burning DVDs when I get my sea legs.

Getting the device hooked up confirmed some concepts that I had about using this device in my enviornment. First, I am not hooking up the IR blaster, and probably never will. I have others viewing and recording programs off my Directv HR 20-700, and I just do not think it practical to hijack the device from time to time with a sheduled recording. Maybe I will change my mind.

My current intention is to to record the programs I want on my Directv device, and then use the HD PVR to save them to my network harddrive for archiving, editing, and/or burning to DVD.

As usual, Murphy's Law was at work last night. The Arcsoft Media Extreme software could not see my LACIE Network Space 2 1TB USB 2.0 / Ethernet External Hard Drive, so I was relagated the converted files to my C:drive, and then copying them to the LaCie, which is visible under Internet Explorer, but not to the Arcsoft Program.

I am sure I will find a way to resolve that issue.
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I feel like I am perhaps the last person in the world to discover this marvelous device, and have spent the last couple of weeks trying to develop the best methodology to save and archive the high def football games on my Directv HR 20-700.

The picture is great on the AVCHD discs I have created, even with the bitrate reduced to take up less space.

Time is the one enemy that I have had to come to grips with.

I am still relegated to tying up my laptop for 4 hours a pop to capture a football game, then another hour to edit the file down to chop out commercials and non- essential parts, and then another hour or so to burn to disc.

I do save the .ts files to a hard drive for access through the WD Live device, and from other computers on my home network.

The VideoReDo .264 version has been a wonderful editing tool, but there is one disappointment that I am still coming to grips with, and that is the lack of the ability to be able to create an acceptable looking standard definition DVD or DVD image file from the caputured .tx file.

I intially thought the TME software was doing a very poor job burning the standard DVD's, but after trying a variety of other programs, I have concluded it does about as good a job as any other program at that task. The state of the art for for file conversion leaves much to be desired.

The product looks very compressed, and the video quality poor, especially compared with the AVCHD discs the same software produces. The video looks flat, and reminds me of the way the older satellite broadcasts looked when European telecasts had to be converted to NTSC.

Given the hours it takes to convert the files, I am just as well served to burn the programs on the Directv dvr to my Pioneer dvd burner, and then use dvd shrink and other tools to produce a standard, non hd dvd through the composite video connection to the Directv device. It looks way better if the goal is to make a standard defintion DVD, and I am not sure it takes any more time.

I like to wind up with an .iso of each edited game, for future burning, as I may see fit. If I want to give a friends a copy, many do not have blu-ray player.

But we can't have everything, can we? For what it does, the HD-PVR is the only game in town, and, for me, it just won the Super Bowl!
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I'm at my wit's end and hope someone can help. I was using the 1212 PVR for weeks and loving it. Let my son use it for his video game capturing and now it's my turn again. I have it plugged in exactly as I used it before, but suddenly I have issues with audio.

I am trying to use simple red/white audio cables - 2 channel RCA stereo. But I'm only hearing background music and that great underwater sound. I tried hooking up the SPDIF and got the same thing. I've chosen 2 channel stereo.

Now I know it's not the cable box, as the pass through works perfectly. It's only the sound into the box. Anyone have any suggestions? I only have custody of it for the weekend, so my time is limited.

If I unplug one of the two audio cables, I can hear dialog again, but of course then it's mono. I checked all the settings on the cable box and everything there is normal. Considering it works perfect to TV AND Hauppauge pass through, I'm thinking it's not the cable box....
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