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Old 11-17-2011, 10:32 AM   #151  
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sup fellas....has anyone actually got this work with wintv extend??? everytime i try to change the channel whether im connected to the wintv web interface via wfi internal network or an external work (at work) it locks and says no device found.

at home using my tablet the web interface comes up in IE and i see my channels. i click to change the channel, the ir blaster lights up and changes the channel, but screen goes black on my pc and the channel never actaully comes up again. it stays black. its SOOO frustrating after waiting this long for wintv to update their software for the 1212 to supposedly now work with it...im up to date on all drivers etc. any ideas?? any other software work looking into to stream my 1212 so i can access it anywhere and hopefully change channels as well????
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Old 06-27-2012, 04:08 AM   #152  
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Hello all,
Posting this at the end of a very long thread on the Hauppauge HDPVR, but it's a new topic, actually. I hope someone can shed some light on a rather strange problem I've encountered:

I've been using the HDPVR for some time, and I find now that many of the recordings I've made suffer from some (usually minor, but annoying) interlacing artifacts. Namely, some combing along the vertical edges of objects. I'll describe my setup.

I capture 1080i from satellite, both the U.K. Freesat HUMAX box, and the French CanalSat (also a HUMAX receiver) using a FuryHD between the satellite box and the Hauppauge HDPVR (the component output of the French Humax receiver is limited to low resolution). If I view the ongoing program from the component output of the Hauppauge HDPVR all looks fine. But after capturing the same video as a .ts file in WinTV7, and then viewing it, I get some interlacing artifacts: a bit of edge combing is apparent. At first I thought it was a problem with field order, MediaInfo indicated it was TFF so I tested this by re-encoding with VideoReDo to BFF. The edge combing was then much worse!

I find I have to de-interlace the video either in VRD, or with slightly better results using the de-interlacing in TMPGEncoder, to get a 1080p video that looks as good as the original program as viewed from the component output of the HDPVR. Trouble is, it takes a good number of hours to do this! I'm wondering if anyone has some insight into the possible source of this problem. The only quick way around the problem - rather than deinterlace, is to output 720p 50fps from the satellite boxes rather than 1080i 25fps. The final captured video then has no interlacing artifacts of course, but in 720p it has lost a bit of the clarity compared to 1080.

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Viewing "live", I watch the component output of the Hauppauge box on the LG 1080i TV. Looks perfect.
Using the same signal, at the same time, to create a .ts file using the Hauppauge box and WinTV7, I then view the .ts file EITHER from the hard drive to the LG TV USB input, OR using a NetGear NeoTv to send the TV the signal, then the video shows edge combing that can be removed only by deinterlacing. Reversing fields makes it worse. MediaInfo indicates the file is TFF.
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While not getting you any closer to a solution, I would say that when you are watching live the TV is getting an echo of the input, so it would not look any different than the source. Playback of the file would be through some TV player, in your case WinTV7. You might try using another player like the Total Media Extreme that came with the 1212 to see if it deinterlaces properly. I use Windows Media Center, PowerDVD12 and Windows Media Player mainly for my playback and the deinterlacing works very well. Once you determine where the breakdown is (appears it is not the TV since the raw video works fine) then you can zero in on a solution. My guess it is the WinTV7 player.
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While not getting you any closer to a solution, I would say that when you are watching live the TV is getting an echo of the input, so it would not look any different than the source. Playback of the file would be through some TV player, in your case WinTV7. You might try using another player like the Total Media Extreme<snip>
Thanks for your reply -

As I mention, I view the .ts file not with WinTV7, but either directly from a hard drive to the LG TV via its USB input, OR using a NetGear NeoTV box connected to the TV via HDMI. (with the NG box I can watch the Hauppauge-created .ts file via LAN directly from the computer connected to the Hauppauge).

When I watch the "live" program that the Hauppauge box is transcoding, I can watch it via the component outputs of the Hauppauge box or directly from the satellite box to the TV via HDMI. Both look fine.

It seems to me the creation of the x264 .ts file from the component signal by the Hauppauge box is the problem, but there are no settings to fiddle with to try to correct the problem. Both WinTV7 and TME don't have many choices for adjusting what the Hauppauge box does.

I'll do some further experimentation...
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So the issue seems to be in the TV player or Netgear box is not deinterlacing properly. The TV player is very different than receiving a digital video signal via the component input. I use a Western Digital WDTV Live player or an Asus player with my HDTVs and there are no deinterlace issues. Maybe spend a few bucks (or pounds) to get a player that deinterlaces properly? Just a thought.
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I wonder if this can be done? ESPN 3 streams college bball games we like but can't always be there for. My media computer has hdmi output so it would seem the first problem would be to get component out to the Hauppauge. Has anyone done this?
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They make HDMI to component converters. Check this: http://www.amazon.com/Monoprice-MYCH...nent+converter
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Hello all,
Posting this at the end of a very long thread on the Hauppauge HDPVR, but it's a new topic, actually. I hope someone can shed some light on a rather strange problem I've encountered:

I've been using the HDPVR for some time, and I find now that many of the recordings I've made suffer from some (usually minor, but annoying) interlacing artifacts. Namely, some combing along the vertical edges of objects. I'll describe my setup.

I capture 1080i from satellite, both the U.K. Freesat HUMAX box, and the French CanalSat (also a HUMAX receiver) using a FuryHD between the satellite box and the Hauppauge HDPVR (the component output of the French Humax receiver is limited to low resolution). If I view the ongoing program from the component output of the Hauppauge HDPVR all looks fine. But after capturing the same video as a .ts file in WinTV7, and then viewing it, I get some interlacing artifacts: a bit of edge combing is apparent. At first I thought it was a problem with field order, MediaInfo indicated it was TFF so I tested this by re-encoding with VideoReDo to BFF. The edge combing was then much worse!

I find I have to de-interlace the video either in VRD, or with slightly better results using the de-interlacing in TMPGEncoder, to get a 1080p video that looks as good as the original program as viewed from the component output of the HDPVR. Trouble is, it takes a good number of hours to do this! I'm wondering if anyone has some insight into the possible source of this problem. The only quick way around the problem - rather than deinterlace, is to output 720p 50fps from the satellite boxes rather than 1080i 25fps. The final captured video then has no interlacing artifacts of course, but in 720p it has lost a bit of the clarity compared to 1080.

In summary:
Viewing "live", I watch the component output of the Hauppauge box on the LG 1080i TV. Looks perfect.
Using the same signal, at the same time, to create a .ts file using the Hauppauge box and WinTV7, I then view the .ts file EITHER from the hard drive to the LG TV USB input, OR using a NetGear NeoTv to send the TV the signal, then the video shows edge combing that can be removed only by deinterlacing. Reversing fields makes it worse. MediaInfo indicates the file is TFF.
I have done some testing because I was concerned that I was not able to smart render the 1080i files from the 1212 in tmpgenc software. the 720p files would smart render fine. The result also relates to this issue in regards to interlacing. I tested every driver version and the results are the same for ts, m2ts, and mp4. Keep in mind that tmpgenc purchased the H264 license and Hauppauge uses third party sources.

The issue is that the hardware codes both the 720p and 1080i files the same. The 1080i files do not meet the H264 specs in regards to GOP structure. Therefore 1080i files are recoding and taking longer processing times.

there is a flag within the H264 files that affects both the smart rendering issues and the interlacing issue mentioned above. MBAFF. Interlaced 1080i pictures from the 1212 tend to look soft. the 720P and 1080i files are both coded nonMBAFF/MBAFF. This would work ok for 720p but is an issue for 1080i. The 1080i file should be coded MBAFF preferred. This setting error will cause playback and processing issues with certain players and software and the picture would appear "soft". You would need to recode the file in tmpgenc masterworks 5 to correct the MBAFF flag and Max gop structure to meet the standard.

the H264 standard is rather complicated with many parameters, settings, and flags. at the same time certain processing and playback software follow the h264 standards more strictlty than others. The strict ones will recode with longer processing times and there would be more hiccups during playback.

the 1512 has the same issues and more. The GOP structures do not match the standard, The MBAFF flag is still wrong and the VBV flag is set to no in error.

UPDATE: I brought the issue to the Hauppauge software engineers recently. They are now aware of the issues but do not have a fix for the problem right now.The Hauppauge capture software is rather simplistic in regards to settings and the programming is sloppy. Hopefully they will clean that up.

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