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Old 07-23-2007, 01:54 PM   #256  
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You can disagree if you want, Man vs. Male = Samething !

You can define a man or male, whatever, in any way you want. I'm just saying the "social" idiology of a "man" is F#@ked ! We could go back and forth on this all day, the bottom line is you would have more people to support your argument of "manly" or being a "man" because the way men are portrayed on tv, wife and children, Bob Loblaw, and yes in truck commercials etc. but it's propaganda bs !

In some tribal cultures a "man" is defined once he makes his first kill !

If I didn't want to kill, in that social structure I would not be a man !

See what I'm saying ?

It's just stupid is all, and I don't know why I'm talking about it, except I don't want to be labelled as something I'm not...some dude who can't let go of my big truck or whatever 'cause I won't be a man, sad . I can put my ego aside for the better of civilization as a hole, no problem. I am more of a "man" for it some would say.

Anyway, I hope you didn't take this as a direct attack of you, it wasn't. I just saw an oppotunity to share an opinion about the idea of being "manly", was very limiting as a person.

With all this talk of fuel prices and global warming, I even feel guilty watching my beloved nascar these days. I know I would still watch if they all ran hydrogen cars or solar power, but the sound...can't simulate that ! ha ha !

Peace ..."man" ! lol !
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Old 07-23-2007, 01:58 PM   #257  
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Yea i do agree...watching a nascar race in surround sound to a "humming" wouldn't be the same...and the "gentleman start your engines" would be rather pathetic as well lol
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Are you kidding me? I'm not saying that because someone has a huge truck that makes them a man, nor am I saying that because they drive a dinky car they're not a man. I'm saying a huge truck like that is viewed as a manly persona. Look at the commercials...you don't see the yaris splashing through the mud and a rugged individual stepping out of it.

Also your little statement about being a man by birth, I disagree. You are MALE by birth. A man is something one becomes by taking responsibility for his family and himself. I guess our society wouldn't really understand that though with the rapid increase of abandoning fathers.
I think he meant that exterior items such as what kind of truck you drive does not make you more manly.

And if someone's judgement of what is manly is based on the visuals used in national advertising (huge dirty mud covered 4X4 = rugged indvidual) then they are too easily manipulated by the media (which why they do it)

What if next year when you saw a commercial on televison that shows a large SUV splashing though the mud and out steps a slight, weak looking boy dressed all in pink holding a teddy bear.

Would that make you suddenly decide a Yaris is maybe more manly?

I'm not claiming you're anything like that or think like that, just don't get so personally upset over a simple observation like he made.

You mis-understood his meaning.

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Old 07-23-2007, 02:05 PM   #259  
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I agree !

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Off topic is my bad.

Please accept my apologies to all the members for my rant.

That is what I meant though, unotis, I'm glad you notice, ha ha ! You got it.

Thanks unotis, and you too meant2live4him.

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Old 07-23-2007, 02:12 PM   #261  
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I didn't mean anything by my father-in-law driving a yaris made him less of a man. I mean why do people hang those fake ball sacks from their trucks? Manly because it's labeled as a male gender vehicle. It also follows the same pattern of why individuals name their tricked out cars with a girl name...or say "oh ain't she a beauty." I would never look at someone driving a dinky car as being less than a man. I also wouldn't say that someone doing the best for our civilization is less than a man either...but my father-in-laws reasoning for getting a yaris is far from protecting the planet....I think he'd say saving money was his first motive and helping protect the planet is kind of a buy one get one free kind of thing.
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lol you're fine macmarkus...i guess i kind of just explained it wrongly
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Old 07-23-2007, 04:44 PM   #263  
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I still see the occasional man driving with a garter hanging from his rear view mirror. Have not got up enough nerve to ask if it is theirs.

Is that 'fake ball sack' on the level? jeezz where have I been?
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Old 07-23-2007, 05:00 PM   #264  
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Most of the time I see little , short guys driving those big ass 4x4's. Never seen them off road though, unless it's snowing, and they're in the ditch. Old guys seem to like Corvettes too.
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Old 07-23-2007, 07:21 PM   #265  
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It's been discussed before, but you do realize that the oil companies only make the amount of money they do because of the sheer quantity they sell right? The oil industry actually has the smallest profit margins of nearly any industry on the market. What's worse, because America's oil refineries are pretty much running at 98-100% of refining capacity, it's not like petrol prices are going to go down much even if the cost of crude oil goes significantly down on the world oil market.

These are plenty of American SUV's that get great fuel economy depending on what you are interested in. Ford's Escape Hybrid is I believe the most fuel efficient SUV on the market, but even alternatives do pretty well. Even if you don't need an SUV, there are LOTS of American cars that get very good fuel economy. Virtually all of Chevy's cars get near or above 30mpg, and Ford's cars also do pretty well. Then combine that with the fact that nearly every GM vehicle is not available as a flexible fuel vehicle, and Ford's offerings having some of the lowest emissions of all the manufacturers. Nearly every vehicle in their lineup is at least an ULEV, with some of them even qualifying as a PZEV ULEV since they do not have any evaporative emissions as well.

As for CO2, the significance of this I believe is heavily exxagerated by those who continue to have a rather biased perspective on the significance of CO2 emissions caused by humans. The fact is that nature is the biggest emitter of CO2 and not man. Car emissions in a 1998 study I read only composed around 2% of all CO2 emissions in the world.

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Honestly, the gas prices don't bother me as much as does the dependence on foreign oil, the pocket lining of these criminal enterprises we know as oil companies, and the environmental damage done by carbon emissions.

I don't drive much to begin with, but I'm definitely rethinking my vehicle purchases. I have a Jeep Grand Cherokee Ltd that gets like 15 mpg, that is on its way out, and my BMW gets under 20, that is also on its way out.

I arrived at a crossroads between supporting American companies, like GM, or Chrysler, or getting something Japanese that is easier on the environment. I've decided that carbon emissions are more important to me than funding some prehistoric American company that refuses to get their act together. I say screw General Motors. Once they get their mpg standards high enough to be able to sell their cars in China, (which they can't) then maybe I'll buy another GM.

Looking at buying an Acura, but no more SUV's. I'll support any company that actually cares about making a difference.
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Old 07-23-2007, 07:27 PM   #266  
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Most of the time I see little , short guys driving those big ass 4x4's. Never seen them off road though, unless it's snowing, and they're in the ditch. Old guys seem to like Corvettes too.
Either way, it's their life choice if they choose to drive what they do. I mostly see big and tall people along with blondes driving 4x4's, although only 2% ever do go offpavement with it. I used to love offroading up at Paragon offroad park in Hazleton, PA and also followed a few Rover junkies to a special tour of The Wilds(an animal conservation movement and facility in OH) where we got to do some offroading on the trails behind the big park. Offroading is seriously addictive in the very short time I owned my two Rovers, but alas they were incredible unreliable and I ditched them.

Corvettes are actually pretty user friendly vehicles with more comfort than you would expect in such a small car. I definately see a lot of old people driving them coupled with the automatic transmission, but they must be driving them for the nostalgia as I have never seen them taking advantage of the horsepower of the LS1, LS2, and coming soon LS3 v8.
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Old 07-24-2007, 06:18 AM   #267  
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Corvettes are actually pretty user friendly vehicles with more comfort than you would expect in such a small car. I definately see a lot of old people driving them coupled with the automatic transmission, but they must be driving them for the nostalgia as I have never seen them taking advantage of the horsepower of the LS1, LS2, and coming soon LS3 v8.
I think in general it's economics and yes nostalgia. Most younger folks just can't afford a Corvette, heck I still can't or at least can't justify it. I had a 70 Mustang when I was younger and you know about the mid life crisis thing .

When I bought my Mustang I was debaiting if I should get an 04 Cobra, an 05 new design GT, or 07 Shelby. Turns out I have the 04 Cobra and in retrospect it was the correct choice for me. I modded it some and top speed to date for me has been about 87mph.

This will be the last powerful car that I get and the time was right in my life to get it. Fortunately at least it gets 20mpg .
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The auto companies try to use self image to sell cars, and to a degree it works. Are you a rugged, male individualist? Then you should drive a pickup truck (and wear a cowboy hat). Caring family provider? An SUV that can keep your kids safe in a thunderstorm on a winding mountain road. A rebel of some sorts? How about an H2 ("in your face, environmentalist!"). Cute chick getting buying her first car out of college? A white Toyota Corolla will do just fine.

How well this works depends upon how each consumer views vehicles. I view vehicles as transportation, not a direct reflection of my personality. Even though I lust for a convertible of some sorts, my practical side will win out (or has so far).

Picking up on some of the remarks already made, I think we can all agree that what someone drives has no relationship to whether that person is a "real man" (or "real woman"). You don't go from a cowboy to a wimp by putting your pickup truck in the shop and driving the wife's white Corolla.

But I do think that bumper stickers, mirror hangings and other external additions do give me a glimpse of the driver's personality (and possibly their lifestyle). Sometimes that doesn't work in the borrowed car scenario. If you have ever seen a man driving a car with the "I (heart symbol) my husband" bumper sticker, you know what I mean.
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Sometimes that doesn't work in the borrowed car scenario. If you have ever seen a man driving a car with the "I (heart symbol) my husband" bumper sticker, you know what I mean.
It might not be borrowed.
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I think in general it's economics and yes nostalgia. Most younger folks just can't afford a Corvette, heck I still can't or at least can't justify it. I had a 70 Mustang when I was younger and you know about the mid life crisis thing .

When I bought my Mustang I was debaiting if I should get an 04 Cobra, an 05 new design GT, or 07 Shelby. Turns out I have the 04 Cobra and in retrospect it was the correct choice for me. I modded it some and top speed to date for me has been about 87mph.

This will be the last powerful car that I get and the time was right in my life to get it. Fortunately at least it gets 20mpg .
I definately agree with your assessment, because $55k+ is pretty steep of a price especially for people getting their career underway. Even then, many of them have started popping a family and just can't sink that kind of money into a car that is more or less a toy. From what i've seen, it seems like that the young people who can afford a toy in that price range are more likely to go pick up an import for some reason based on my observations. Maybe this is why insurance rates on the Corvette are incredibly low despite the performance capabilities. I know that from a performance perspective, it just doesn't get any better as you get a vehicle that does 12's in the 1320 straight off the lot, is fairly comfortable for daily driving, and still get's high 20's in gas mileage.

Those Terminator Cobra's are like one of the better kept secrets out there. The best thing about that Eaton roots type blower, is that all you have to do is switch pulleys and gain another .5 - .7 seconds in the 1/4 mile.
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