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Old 06-20-2007, 07:10 PM   #226  
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I'm buying these at the sale and selling the Limiteds for $18700 to $19000. It is absolutely the best buy in a performance,luxury car out there today.The Azera has a four-wheel independent suspension (multi-link in the rear) and uses the company's new 3.8 L Lamda V-6, which produces 263 hp (196 kW). The power is sent to the front wheels through a five-speed automatic transmission with "Shiftronic" manual gear selection. Hyundai claims 6.0 s to accelerate to 60 mph (97 km/h) and a top speed of 157 mph (252 km/h). Fuel economy of 19 mpg (12.4 L/100 km) in the city and 28 mpg (8.4 L/100 km) on the highway is expected. People love these.....
Yeah, it's actually nice that Korea has finally produced a real and desirable car that isn't a stereotypical low build quality car that they used to be known for. I remember how some banks used to not even offer financing on Hyundai's back before they started their incredible turn around. I believe C&D tested it and got 0-60 in 6.2 seconds with a 1/4 mile in 15.1 if i'm not mistaken. They commented on how this motor has intense torque, but fizzled out rather quickly once the motor ran into the upper range of its powerband. I suppose that is not much of an issue considering I would rather take torque anyday, and that you get a lot of luxury features for a car that is priced so competitively.

I still wouldn't buy one, as I think I would rather opt for the Chevy Impala SS, although you are clearly trading a lot of neat luxury features for a sweet ass v8 that also is rated at 28mpg on the highway. But then again, I live life a 1/4 mile at a time and thus will almost always prefer the faster car.
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Old 06-20-2007, 07:12 PM   #227  
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Yes, that is what it has evolved to, but it's root was first coined for Japanese cars, specifically Hondas.
Ahh, the evolution of the English language

I don't even remember when this term was first coined, but first heard it when the Honda CRX pocket rocket was still on the market. It also doesn't hurt that supposedly asian-American's were the ones who first started up this ridiculous ricer sub-culture with their imported Japan cars.
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Old 06-20-2007, 07:34 PM   #228  
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Uh......an SS Impala wouldn't get 28 mpg if you coasted all the way home....
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Old 06-20-2007, 07:42 PM   #229  
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Uh......an SS Impala wouldn't get 28 mpg if you coasted all the way home....
The 06 Impala was EPA rated for 28mpg on the highway. My understanding is that the 07's were rated at 27mpg, and now the 08 SS Impala's are now rated at 24mpg on the highway. I'm not sure why each year saw a decline in fuel economy, but the 06's were rated at 28 for what it's worth. As we know, no vehicle really will ever achieve the fuel economy ratings on the window sticker.
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Of course...that's figuring in the milage AFTER you drove it to whereever you began your coast home...
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Old 06-21-2007, 08:38 AM   #232  
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The 06 Impala was EPA rated for 28mpg on the highway. My understanding is that the 07's were rated at 27mpg, and now the 08 SS Impala's are now rated at 24mpg on the highway. I'm not sure why each year saw a decline in fuel economy, but the 06's were rated at 28 for what it's worth. As we know, no vehicle really will ever achieve the fuel economy ratings on the window sticker.
There was no decline in fuel economy, the government just finally started testing more accurately.

According to the new mileage estimates, the V8 Impala gets 16 mpg/city and 25 mpg/highway.

And if you drive carefully, you just might actually get those miles per gallon estimates (at least alot closer then the previous over estimates you saw on the window sticker).
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Old 06-21-2007, 10:31 AM   #233  
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There was no decline in fuel economy, the government just finally started testing more accurately.

According to the new mileage estimates, the V8 Impala gets 16 mpg/city and 25 mpg/highway.

And if you drive carefully, you just might actually get those miles per gallon estimates (at least alot closer then the previous over estimates you saw on the window sticker).
Gas mileage ratings do change from time to time from what i've seen. Back when I bought my SVT Focus a while back, I know that the 04's were rated at 21/28 while the 03's had been rated at 21/25. The difference came from different engine calibrations and factory tuning. I've seen the same thing happen with the 03-04 Terminator Mustangs as I believe the 04's achieved higher fuel economy ratings.

I guess it really depends on the situation, environment, and other conditions as to whether you will achieve the EPA estimates or not. I know that my TBSS is rated at 12/17 on the window sticker, and achieved 17.1mpg on my way to Shenendoah with 4 people in the SUV. On my way back, I achieved 16.2 and had a 5th person along with roughly 50lbs more luggage in the trunk. This was with the a/c on full blast as well. When i'm coasting around town, I tend to achieve an average of 10-12mpg, which isn't too far from the 12 mpg rated for city driving. Of course, it easily drops far into the single digits when i'm cruising for fun and looking for action by stepping on it hard.
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Old 06-21-2007, 12:02 PM   #234  
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$3.00 a gal is my cut off limit thats where I no longer go to the theater, out to eat only 1 a week and no unnecessary driving....so I probably save $$$ when gas hits the $3.00 a gal mark...but the restaurants, the waiter/waitress and movie houses suffer...
isnt 33 billion in profits in one quarter enough? maybe the govt should step in set the price at 2.47 a gal that should still give exxon and the others a nice healthy profit....without killing the rest of us
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Gas mileage ratings do change from time to time from what i've seen. Back when I bought my SVT Focus a while back, I know that the 04's were rated at 21/28 while the 03's had been rated at 21/25. The difference came from different engine calibrations and factory tuning. I've seen the same thing happen with the 03-04 Terminator Mustangs as I believe the 04's achieved higher fuel economy ratings.

I guess it really depends on the situation, environment, and other conditions as to whether you will achieve the EPA estimates or not. I know that my TBSS is rated at 12/17 on the window sticker, and achieved 17.1mpg on my way to Shenendoah with 4 people in the SUV. On my way back, I achieved 16.2 and had a 5th person along with roughly 50lbs more luggage in the trunk. This was with the a/c on full blast as well. When i'm coasting around town, I tend to achieve an average of 10-12mpg, which isn't too far from the 12 mpg rated for city driving. Of course, it easily drops far into the single digits when i'm cruising for fun and looking for action by stepping on it hard.
Yes, if you achieve the listed EPA gas mileage estimates depends greatly on how you drive but, what I was referring to was that for years they have used poorly designed methods for estimating the fuel economy of vehicles and finally through pressure they finally designed a method that actually give very accurate MPG estimates. Last years and all of the years before that were so far off they were basically lying to the public, cars hardly ever did achieve the fuel estimates indicated on the the stickers, so the cars have not actually declined in fuel economy they just are finally tested properly to give accurate estimates.
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Yes, if you achieve the listed EPA gas mileage estimates depends greatly on how you drive but, what I was referring to was that for years they have used poorly designed methods for estimating the fuel economy of vehicles and finally through pressure they finally designed a method that actually give very accurate MPG estimates. Last years and all of the years before that were so far off they were basically lying to the public, cars hardly ever did achieve the fuel estimates indicated on the the stickers, so the cars have not actually declined in fuel economy they just are finally tested properly to give accurate estimates.
Perhaps, but I do know plenty of people who were able to achieve the EPA estimates before the process of rating them was revised. I guess it will depend heavily on where you live, the climate, the geological terrain, and whether you have a lead foot or not. There are just simply too many different types of terrain and too many different maintenance and driving habits for there to be a single accurate epa rating. In reality, it should only be for comparison purposes.
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$3.00 a gal is my cut off limit thats where I no longer go to the theater, out to eat only 1 a week and no unnecessary driving....so I probably save $$$ when gas hits the $3.00 a gal mark...but the restaurants, the waiter/waitress and movie houses suffer...
isnt 33 billion in profits in one quarter enough? maybe the govt should step in set the price at 2.47 a gal that should still give exxon and the others a nice healthy profit....without killing the rest of us
This was discussed earlier in the thread, but the gasoline companies have some of the smallest profit margins of almost any industry in the US. They only make so much money because they are selling such a high quantity to achieve the profits they do. My understanding is that they make roughly 9 cents a gallon margin. Price fixing should NEVER happen. Remember during the 70's oil crisis what happened when the government decided to put a price ceiling on petrol being sold? We had a mass shortage.

If they really are making only 9 cents a gallon, you will simply force them to exit the industry at the prices you are proposing that the government set. Then noone will have any petrol or diesel for their cars. No buisness no matter how much money they have in the bank, will continue to operate when their variables and fixed costs exceed their revenue. A price ceiling will cause a shortage whether some people want to believe it or not. The market regulates demand as quantity demanded is reduced at higher prices. If you decide to put a price ceiling into play, a greater quantity will be demanded and producers will only be willing to produce a lower quantity at that price with the difference equaling the shortage.
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Perhaps, but I do know plenty of people who were able to achieve the EPA estimates before the process of rating them was revised. I guess it will depend heavily on where you live, the climate, the geological terrain, and whether you have a lead foot or not. There are just simply too many different types of terrain and too many different maintenance and driving habits for there to be a single accurate epa rating. In reality, it should only be for comparison purposes.
There will be always people who will and can meet or exheed the mileage estimates (me included) but the truth of the matter is, very few people make any effort to do that and they are the ones the testing was designed to inform as to what their probable fuel economy will be with the car they are looking at.

Many people do not try to coast up to a stop sign or turn their engines off to conserve fuel when they know they will be at idle for a long period of time, I would bet most don't even know that with fuel injection it does not use up more fuel to start the car up then to just let it idle, like it use to do with carburators.

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Old 07-19-2007, 02:01 PM   #240  
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My father-in-law figured it up that he spent almost $20 a day in gas to drive to work in back (He drives/drove a large F-150). He looked into it and decided to buy a Toyota Yaris. It gets like 38 or something miles per gallon. To be honest I make fun of him because it looks like a clown car, but then he laughs back at me because it gets over twice as good of gas than my SUV. He also explained to me how he is SAVING money by buying the car. I guess he's saving $200+ a month.....even after he pays for the insurance, car payment, and gas money for his Yaris......so it's a great deal for him.
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