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Old 05-29-2007, 09:00 AM   #181  
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Yes, this cost needs to be figured into the cost of oil, and I for one feel it is high enough to justify a major move to alternatives.
I think it is has been high enough for quite sometime.. maybe the last 5 years. But the tolerance of the people is greater that one would think.
Plus, human nature says it is easier to complain than to do something.
We can only hope that will change soon.
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I think it is has been high enough for quite sometime.. maybe the last 5 years. But the tolerance of the people is greater that one would think.
Plus, human nature says it is easier to complain than to do something.
We can only hope that will change soon.
I have my answer to them not doing something and just complaining, I just tell them do something or STFU!

Then I explain what they can do, most of them then say they don't believe that cars can get better gas mileage (sometimes they start going into that old chestnut of how oil companies bought the rights to carburators that were designed to get 150 mpg so we couldn't use them) and they still do that to stop our using less gas.

We need education and Government direction and some rebates.
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"Government direction" .. now there's an oxymoron.
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"Government direction" .. now there's an oxymoron.
I don't know, I think with a concerted effort on the Federal government's part to get the changes jump started, it could happen much quicker.
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Well here is an article anout the "real" world of power plant building:

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/loc...home-headlines
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Old 05-29-2007, 03:45 PM   #186  
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I don't know, I think with a concerted effort on the Federal government's part to get the changes jump started, it could happen much quicker.
Government/Concerted Effort.. Please!!!
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Old 05-29-2007, 08:09 PM   #187  
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Mexico is not exactly stable politically. The leftists, who sound a lot like the nut in Venezuela, came close in the last election. So I don't like the idea of depending upon Mexico for anything.

If a large percentage of the driving population moves to cars that get better mileage (say average 30 MPG instead of 15) then our oil imports will diminish. Factor in ethenol & biodiesel and the imports are diminished even further. Throw in a viable electric car and we move even closer to just using reliable sources.

Not knocking Canada - there are a lot of Canadians here in the US and they seem to be fine people from a beautiful, democratic, stable country with similar values - but I don't want to have my country dependant on Canadian oil either.

What's kind of ironic is that Canada has the largest proven oil deposits in the entire world, and not the mid-east. Of course, the cost of obtaining and refining it is another story as the process that needs to be used to obtain canadian oil is environmentally harsh.

I just got back in town and am starting to wonder whether we have the highest gas prices in the US. I have a hard time believing that gas prices are 40-55 cents cheaper in WV, VA, MD, than here in OH.
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Only gluttons drive SUV's pay the price!
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I'm a glutton? are 50% of the American population gluttons? Would we have as strong as an economy as we do now without gluttons? Becareful how you respond to my rhetorical questions should you choose to do so.
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Well here is an article anout the "real" world of power plant building:

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/loc...home-headlines
As you probably know they have a nuclear power plant (older plant from the 70s) near the everglades that actually has improved the surrounding lands because it is so clean a power plant (I saw a story on it on the Discovery channel just this week).

That is the alternate fuel source they need to look at for the power plant and it wouldn't cost as much as the Coal powered power plant to build (because of the new technological breakthroughs in design).
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As you probably know they have a nuclear power plant (older plant from the 70s) near the everglades that actually has improved the surrounding lands because it is so clean a power plant (I saw a story on it on the Discovery channel just this week).

That is the alternate fuel source they need to look at for the power plant and it wouldn't cost as much as the Coal powered power plant to build (because of the new technological breakthroughs in design).
Yep . . . and if my grandmother had wheels . . . she would be a wagon!

Building a power plant doen't require the FED to get involved unless the EPA steps in. It is strictly a state by state issue.

Didn't we "dis-band" the Atomic Energy Commission a while back?

Who would a power company submit it's application for a nuclear power plant to?
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Yep . . . and if my grandmother had wheels . . . she would be a wagon!

Building a power plant doen't require the FED to get involved unless the EPA steps in. It is strictly a state by state issue.

Didn't we "dis-band" the Atomic Energy Commission a while back?

Who would a power company submit it's application for a nuclear power plant to?
Where did you see me mention the Federal government in my post?

And does your Grandmother have wheels? Mine did and I pushed her everywhere in her wheelchair (She had really nice mag wheels and purple trim, it was RAD!

I suppose they submit to the same people they submit to for a coal powered power plant (they will know).

Are you actually for or against safe clean cheap plentiful nuclear power?

Or are you just trying to find out more about who they would go through?

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I have my answer to them not doing something and just complaining, I just tell them do something or STFU!

Then I explain what they can do, most of them then say they don't believe that cars can get better gas mileage (sometimes they start going into that old chestnut of how oil companies bought the rights to carburators that were designed to get 150 mpg so we couldn't use them) and they still do that to stop our using less gas.

We need education and Government direction and some rebates.
That is one of the nice things up here the Government is giving a 2000 dollar rebate on the purchase of a smat car.

http://www.thesmart.ca/index.cfm?id=6638

Here is the list of cars the rebate is available for.

http://www.tc.gc.ca/programs/environ...ligibility.htm

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Old 05-30-2007, 09:18 PM   #193  
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Where did you see me mention the Federal government in my post?

And does your Grandmother have wheels? Mine did and I pushed her everywhere in her wheelchair (She had really nice mag wheels and purple trim, it was RAD!

I suppose they submit to the same people they submit to for a coal powered power plant (they will know).

Are you actually for or against safe clean cheap plentiful nuclear power?

Or are you just trying to find out more about who they would go through?
As I said - they don't subit anything to the Fed for a coal fired plant. Just an EPA "survey" showing no impact.

Am I for or against nuclear power? I would have to say both. For to solve the energy crisis. Against as to how do we move the spent fuel?

10,000 years is a LONG time.

I was questioning who a company would submit an application to in the government if they wanted to build a nuclear power plant. That used to be covered by the AEC . . . who I believe don't exist anymore.
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As I said - they don't submit anything to the Fed for a coal fired plant. Just an EPA "survey" showing no impact.

Am I for or against nuclear power? I would have to say both. For to solve the energy crisis. Against as to how do we move the spent fuel?

10,000 years is a LONG time.

I was questioning who a company would submit an application to in the government if they wanted to build a nuclear power plant. That used to be covered by the AEC . . . who I believe don't exist anymore.
They would probably submit an EPA survey just like the coal powered plant had to.

Moving the spent fuel is not a problem, the cases used are extremely safe and the spent fuel cannot harm anyone unless they are subjected to prolonged exposure (like weeks worth).

It is so safe in that state, if it somehow fell out of the container, clean up crews could literally just scoop it back up and place it back into the containers with no harmful effects.

And security would not be much of a problem what with satilite positioning on the transports and quick response in case of an attempted theft. Even if the people got away with it, tracking down the spent fuel would be relatively easy to do, using radiation tracking devices.

Don't think they haven't thought of any possible terrorist scenarios.

And storage would be no problem in New Mexico, no chance of leakage into ground water, there is no effective ground water movement there, a friend of mine was contracted to do the studies with his company back 5 years ago.

There is no real reason to be against nuclear power, easy to transport, safe to use, clean and no longer has the possibility of a meltdown with the new technology used.

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Perhaps they could store the safe nuclear waste in Florida?
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