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Old 05-25-2007, 12:23 PM   #166  
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What really burns me are RV's. Maybe i'm being a snob, but they seriously piss me off. Not only are they often driven by mostly people old enough to have seen the first world war(ok, I might be exxagerating just a tad), but they cause massive congestion which is also partially attributed to their size and the drivers driving them. Talk about gas guzzlers, these suckers get 5-8mpg at best and produce massive smog forming emissions as vehicles in this weight class have very few restrictions. You have no idea how often I practically choke following one of these beasts up a long climb on a highway. It's their right to drive these things as they really help our local economy, but I really wish the people driving these things didn't often drive like they own the road. It totally pisses me off when I see some old fogie lumber onto the highway with one of these things at 20mph under the speed limit and immediately heads for the high speed lane where they will camp out till they reach their next exit 100 miles later.
I agree with the tone of your argument. However, the reason they are so irritating is not because of their sheer numbers IMO but because of their predominance in size on the road.
I don't think they are as big a problem as it would appear. And I have the same basic feelings about them as you do.
Where I live now (vs. the Bay Area), in a predominately rural environment technology is not the king, but the service industry and farming is.
These people rely on these large trucks and SUVs as part of their working life, not like 'look at me' Sally savoring her caramel latte in her Expedition while heading to the corner market for a six pack and hamburger buns.
Taken in whole, very few of these vehicles are not used for business oriented trips.
Sure, you see the occasional outrageous jacked up trucks and Tahoes with 22" dubs and spinners, but very few in comparison.
Most of the drivers I encounter are above average in lower honking rates, and higher in courtesy. But their high mounted headlights at night and the reduced ability to see around them, is no less frustrating.
I wish they had more economical and air friendly transportation to get their jobs done. But in a valley supplying up to 40% of the country's produce, I have to accept that some things will be a long time changing.
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Old 05-25-2007, 12:26 PM   #167  
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Default Total cost of oil is higher than what we pay at the pump

The cost for oil is higher than what we pay at the pump. There is a cost of being dependent on unstable, hostile countries. There is the cost of keeping the oil supply coming, the economic cost of spending billions of dollars overseas and the environmental cost. There is a cost to our value and belief system when we are "forced" to give economic, military and / or political support to evil, oppressive regimes (who have oil).

Yes, this cost needs to be figured into the cost of oil, and I for one feel it is high enough to justify a major move to alternatives.
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Old 05-25-2007, 01:06 PM   #168  
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The cost for oil is higher than what we pay at the pump. There is a cost of being dependent on unstable, hostile countries. There is the cost of keeping the oil supply coming, the economic cost of spending billions of dollars overseas and the environmental cost. There is a cost to our value and belief system when we are "forced" to give economic, military and / or political support to evil, oppressive regimes (who have oil).

Yes, this cost needs to be figured into the cost of oil, and I for one feel it is high enough to justify a major move to alternatives.
Everything you say I agree with.

I also read today in news that in a nationwide poll Americans said the rising cost of gas 47% would look into more fuel effient cars and that sales of Hybrid cars are up to 3.4% of new car sales up from 0.4% in 2004.

Maybe the time is ripe for expanding the education of alternative fuel options, Hybrids, Electric and Hydrogen Fuel Cell.

Wouldn't that be good news?
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They work, My neighbor, co-worker and myself all use them.
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Old 05-25-2007, 06:51 PM   #170  
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I agree with the tone of your argument. However, the reason they are so irritating is not because of their sheer numbers IMO but because of their predominance in size on the road.
I don't think they are as big a problem as it would appear. And I have the same basic feelings about them as you do.
Where I live now (vs. the Bay Area), in a predominately rural environment technology is not the king, but the service industry and farming is.
These people rely on these large trucks and SUVs as part of their working life, not like 'look at me' Sally savoring her caramel latte in her Expedition while heading to the corner market for a six pack and hamburger buns.
Taken in whole, very few of these vehicles are not used for business oriented trips.
Sure, you see the occasional outrageous jacked up trucks and Tahoes with 22" dubs and spinners, but very few in comparison.
Most of the drivers I encounter are above average in lower honking rates, and higher in courtesy. But their high mounted headlights at night and the reduced ability to see around them, is no less frustrating.
I wish they had more economical and air friendly transportation to get their jobs done. But in a valley supplying up to 40% of the country's produce, I have to accept that some things will be a long time changing.
Oh don't get me started on how they often have high mounted headlights that are usually not DOT legal. It really pisses me off when the guy driving has such poor vision that he permanently keeps it on high beams while driving. I'm getting ready to head to Shenendoah in the morning, and i'm gonna scream if Skyline Drive is clogged with grandpas in their luxury RV's.
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Old 05-25-2007, 07:26 PM   #171  
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Only gluttons drive SUV's pay the price!
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Old 05-25-2007, 08:26 PM   #172  
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rbink, Let's put it in to proper perspective- How much do you think solar and battery technology has advanced in 10 years? BTW, The price point for alternative fuels to be a viable alternative to petroleum is 3$ a gallon. Side note to the head in the sand people- Oil WILL run out. Oil will continue to cost more. Do you prefer to wait until it's out before developing new fuels? Come on, the world , hell, even China has recognized we have finite resources in the ground. You "experts" on wind power really kill me.
The tone of your post seems to imply you think I am not in favor of solar power. That is first not true as there are econimic reasons for its use where other energy sources are not practical. Indeed there are economic reasons for using it as well. But that really has nothing to do with what I was saying. What I was saying is I wish they would tell us whether it takes more non-renewable energy to make the "green" equipment than it will deliver in its lifetime. If it takes more fossil fuel to make, transport and install than it will deliver in its lifetime, then it is not really green.
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Old 05-26-2007, 05:31 PM   #173  
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I think solar power and wind power have specific applications but, they will not replace coal powered power plants nor even fossil fuel generated power for homes completely.

Heating your swimming pool and maybe saving a little on electrical bill but it is not really cost effective to do much more.

I still lay my hopes on new nuclear technology power plants and Hydrogen fuels cell vehicles and new technology electric cars/hybrids being developed.
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Old 05-27-2007, 10:27 AM   #174  
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In fact, if you really want to getr great results fast!

I'd say the soon to be released plugin Hybrids would be the best fast solution, they get up to a 150 mpg for the first 60 miles.

Think how that would save on fossil fuel consumption, we could drop dependance from Middle East oil almost right away with just a little education and help from the Government (tax deductions, rebates).
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Old 05-27-2007, 01:20 PM   #175  
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In fact, if you really want to getr great results fast!

I'd say the soon to be released plugin Hybrids would be the best fast solution, they get up to a 150 mpg for the first 60 miles.

Think how that would save on fossil fuel consumption, we could drop dependance from Middle East oil almost right away with just a little education and help from the Government (tax deductions, rebates).

The funny thing is that your dependence on oil from the middle east isn't as great as it is from Canada and Mexico and other countries I posted some numbers a few pages ago and your larges imports are from non OPEC nations and Canada leads them all with Mexico right behind us for oil imports to the US.

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The funny thing is that your dependence on oil from the middle east isn't as great as it is from Canada and Mexico and other countries I posted some numbers a few pages ago and your larges imports are from non OPEC nations and Canada leads them all with Mexico right behind us for oil imports to the US.

Here is the link

http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/pe...im0_mbbl_m.htm
Thank you but, I already knew that.

My point was that with this small decrease in our oil consumption we could easily stop importing from the Middle East totally, last time I looked neither Canada nor Mexico are supporting terrorist organizations that want to kill us.

This would be an easy quick change in technology that could ween us off OPEC and maybe we could stop wasting our soldier's lives and our money in trying to protect our oil supply from that part of the world.
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Thank you but, I already knew that.

My point was that with this small decrease in our oil consumption we could easily stop importing from the Middle East totally, last time I looked neither Canada nor Mexico are supporting terrorist organizations that want to kill us.

This would be an easy quick change in technology that could ween us off OPEC and maybe we could stop wasting our soldier's lives and our money in trying to protect our oil supply from that part of the world.

Well we aren't but it seems something is up in Mexico and Canadian tourists we have had 6 murdered at resorts there in the last 8 months and many robberies and so on against Canadians LOL.
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Mexico is not exactly stable politically. The leftists, who sound a lot like the nut in Venezuela, came close in the last election. So I don't like the idea of depending upon Mexico for anything.

If a large percentage of the driving population moves to cars that get better mileage (say average 30 MPG instead of 15) then our oil imports will diminish. Factor in ethenol & biodiesel and the imports are diminished even further. Throw in a viable electric car and we move even closer to just using reliable sources.

Not knocking Canada - there are a lot of Canadians here in the US and they seem to be fine people from a beautiful, democratic, stable country with similar values - but I don't want to have my country dependant on Canadian oil either.
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Mexico is not exactly stable politically. The leftists, who sound a lot like the nut in Venezuela, came close in the last election. So I don't like the idea of depending upon Mexico for anything.

If a large percentage of the driving population moves to cars that get better mileage (say average 30 MPG instead of 15) then our oil imports will diminish. Factor in ethenol & biodiesel and the imports are diminished even further. Throw in a viable electric car and we move even closer to just using reliable sources.

Not knocking Canada - there are a lot of Canadians here in the US and they seem to be fine people from a beautiful, democratic, stable country with similar values - but I don't want to have my country dependant on Canadian oil either.
Why not we sure as hell don't depend on it LOL LOL.. We seem happy to ship it all over teh world at teh going rate and even charge more for it for our domestic use here.
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I am finally going to post something on-topic here. My round trip from Little Rock to Broken Arrow normally takes 4 hours and I get 22-24 MPG driving 75 MPH. I slowed down to 65 MPH and got over 26 MPG both ways.

Not sure it was worth it for 2 - 4 MPG, since it added an hour to my trip. The only plus side was that I enjoyed the scenery more (it is a pretty drive).
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