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Old 03-17-2007, 04:52 PM   #106  
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Lol...^^ yea that would make an intersesting police report.
Ya I could imagine the report going something like this. Well I was kicking in the front door and I broke my leg I want to sue the homeowner for having a steel door and deadbolt causing me injury LOL.....
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What I do find funny in this is that up here if somone breaks into your home and you beat them they can sue you for it and you can be charged with assault. If somone trys to break into your home and injures themselves you are liable for thie wellbeing and are held responsable for thie injury and your insurance company pais for their injuries. That I find messed up but hey I can live with that for the number of times a crook will ever report being injured while breaking into your home and the cost to him/her for doing so is negligable.
That's why I believe that if you are home and someone breaks in, take them out of the equation so that they can't sue you. A dead man can't talk and all you have to prove here in America is that you were in danger and that you were protecting yourself. This is exactly the type of crap which would make it impossible for me to live in other countries. I've always been taught that in the unfortunate instance where you have to protect yourself with a firearm, you should shoot to kill and NEVER shoot to maim as it will bite your ass. If someone can't respect me and the sanctity of my house as a haven for me to feel safe in, I will have no respect or mercy for them as they will be a threat to my life and the lives of my family. It sounds very cold and mean spirited, but i'm tired of the rights of hard working decent people being trampled on by fucknuts who want to take something you worked hard to earn, and are even willing to physically harm you to do so.
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That's why I believe that if you are home and someone breaks in, take them out of the equation so that they can't sue you. A dead man can't talk and all you have to prove here in America is that you were in danger and that you were protecting yourself. This is exactly the type of crap which would make it impossible for me to live in other countries. I've always been taught that in the unfortunate instance where you have to protect yourself with a firearm, you should shoot to kill and NEVER shoot to maim as it will bite your ass. If someone can't respect me and the sanctity of my house as a haven for me to feel safe in, I will have no respect or mercy for them as they will be a threat to my life and the lives of my family. It sounds very cold and mean spirited, but i'm tired of the rights of hard working decent people being trampled on by fucknuts who want to take something you worked hard to earn, and are even willing to physically harm you to do so.
You have that 100% right! If anyone breaks in my house, they are dead. No questions asked and no his story against mine. We have concealed weapons permits here in Florida and they just passed a law this year where you don't even have to be in immediate danger to shoot someone. All you have to do is feel like you are in danger. I'm a little nervous on that one and hope they didn't go too far. I guess we will see the first time a road rage person jumps out of his car and get's dropped from 50 feet away and falls back into his own car.
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You have that 100% right! If anyone breaks in my house, they are dead. No questions asked and no his story against mine. We have concealed weapons permits here in Florida and they just passed a law this year where you don't even have to be in immediate danger to shoot someone. All you have to do is feel like you are in danger. I'm a little nervous on that one and hope they didn't go too far. I guess we will see the first time a road rage person jumps out of his car and get's dropped from 50 feet away and falls back into his own car.

We just passed concealed weapon laws here in OH, and i've been meaning to complete the courses required so I can finally obtain my permit. The problem is that I don't really have clothing suitable for concealing a weapon, and you would also have to remove the weapon before entering any public place which would just be a hassle. I have already been given the okay by the University to bring the firearm onto campus so long as it is locked in my vehicle and concealed out of view in the vehicle after I park, but before I step out of the garage there. I just think it's more responsibility than I am ready to handle, so i'll just have to pray that i'll be safe outside of my house. If anyone wants to break into our house, I just hope they do it while i'm not home because I really don't want to have to fatally wound someone who was threatening my life.
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You have that 100% right! If anyone breaks in my house, they are dead. No questions asked and no his story against mine. We have concealed weapons permits here in Florida and they just passed a law this year where you don't even have to be in immediate danger to shoot someone. All you have to do is feel like you are in danger. I'm a little nervous on that one and hope they didn't go too far. I guess we will see the first time a road rage person jumps out of his car and get's dropped from 50 feet away and falls back into his own car.
Ya there is a huge bilboard along the I75 that says Florida is a shoot first state so travellers beware LOL.
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That's why I believe that if you are home and someone breaks in, take them out of the equation so that they can't sue you. A dead man can't talk and all you have to prove here in America is that you were in danger and that you were protecting yourself. This is exactly the type of crap which would make it impossible for me to live in other countries. I've always been taught that in the unfortunate instance where you have to protect yourself with a firearm, you should shoot to kill and NEVER shoot to maim as it will bite your ass. If someone can't respect me and the sanctity of my house as a haven for me to feel safe in, I will have no respect or mercy for them as they will be a threat to my life and the lives of my family. It sounds very cold and mean spirited, but i'm tired of the rights of hard working decent people being trampled on by fucknuts who want to take something you worked hard to earn, and are even willing to physically harm you to do so.
Ya but with our gun laws here dictate the firearms must be in gun lockers within your home and weapon and ammo can't be stored together or stored loaded. You also must have trigger locks on all firearms in the house.
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Ya but with our gun laws here dictate the firearms must be in gun lockers within your home and weapon and ammo can't be stored together or stored loaded. You also must have trigger locks on all firearms in the house.
Yeah, and see thats BULLSHIT. Fuck any country that thinks they can trample on MY GOD GIVEN right to protect myself and my family. However, that's why I do not and will not live in any country like that. If the people who live up there are fine with those laws, then that's their problem. My gun is stored in a locker, and it has a safety triggler lock on it(I think most guns have this), but it is loaded and ready to fire. Many of you Canadians don't understand why this is an issue, because you don't often have the same culture of violence we have with criminals.
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Yeah, and see thats BULLSHIT. Fuck any country that thinks they can trample on MY GOD GIVEN right to protect myself and my family. However, that's why I do not and will not live in any country like that. If the people who live up there are fine with those laws, then that's their problem. My gun is stored in a locker, and it has a safety triggler lock on it(I think most guns have this), but it is loaded and ready to fire. Many of you Canadians don't understand why this is an issue, because you don't often have the same culture of violence we have with criminals.
You are correct I guess we are just a more civil and non violent for the most part society up here. We do not have the violent crime you deal with in the US thankfully. No disrespect June but GOD had nothing to do with your right to own a firearm he is not real.
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Yeah, and see thats BULLSHIT. Fuck any country that thinks they can trample on MY GOD GIVEN right to protect myself and my family. However, that's why I do not and will not live in any country like that. If the people who live up there are fine with those laws, then that's their problem. My gun is stored in a locker, and it has a safety triggler lock on it(I think most guns have this), but it is loaded and ready to fire. Many of you Canadians don't understand why this is an issue, because you don't often have the same culture of violence we have with criminals.
Now quit holding back like a little girl and tell us how you really feel.

I have a fully loaded 9MM S&W 5906 Stainless Steel Automatic with Winchester Silver Tip hollow points sitting on the top shelf of my closet. All I have to do it pull the slide and I can put 14 rounds out real quick. I used to shoot competition when I was in law enforcement so they would be grouped nicely right in the middle of someones chest.
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You are correct I guess we are just a more civil and non violent for the most part society up here. We do not have the violent crime you deal with in the US thankfully. No disrespect June but GOD had nothing to do with your right to own a firearm he is not real.

If you do not believe, then I guess you'll have to take it as a figure of speech and not in the literal sense. We all have our beliefs, although I guess I got way too emotional in my last board. I try not to utter obscenities on forums, but I can get emotional sometimes. I have known too many people who have been the victim of violent crimes who would have been much better off if they would have protected and armed themselves.

I said in another example about my moms friend has has been beaten to the point of needing some reconstructive surgery, and been shot twice by gangbangers trying to extort "protection" money from her. She chooses not to arm herself, but she would have arguably been much better off had she been armed and trained in the use of her firearm.

Another of my moms friend had her buisness burned down by rioters several years ago. They sold their buisness and just left.

An acquaintence of my mom nearly got killed when gangbangers tried to rob her. They shot at her and missed before her 2 rotweillers sicked the gangbangers. They shot and killed the dogs, but that gave her just enough time to escape out the back exit of her buisness.

To many of you guys who live in other countries, you guys have a different cultural attitude because you guys don't have the same level of violent gun related crimes we do. However, those of us who live in these crime prone areas have a different attitude towards guns. We "know" that banning them outright won't do jack and makes things worse, because these criminals don't obtain their firearms legally. That's one reason why I get so intensely angry when these hollywood celebrities try to speak against guns and so on when crime is obviously no frickin threat to them in their Beverly Hills, Santa Monica, and Marin County homes. Many people who also speak against guns have never been a victim, and don't know what it can feel like.

Unforgiven, that's a nice firearm you have ready! I suppose that I could just keep the magazine out of the firearm and have it ready to snap into the gun, but we have no children in our house which means it's no danger to keep it loaded. Even when people come over, they will not find it as it's in a very innovative location that is readily accessible. I've heard about hollow point shells, but what's the purpose of a hollow point shell? Is it a shell design that is optimized for man stopping power while reducing the likelihood of penetrating through walls or human flesh? While I love guns, i'm not technically familiar with the different types of bullets and stuff.
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If you do not believe, then I guess you'll have to take it as a figure of speech and not in the literal sense. We all have our beliefs, although I guess I got way too emotional in my last board. I try not to utter obscenities on forums, but I can get emotional sometimes. I have known too many people who have been the victim of violent crimes who would have been much better off if they would have protected and armed themselves.

I said in another example about my moms friend has has been beaten to the point of needing some reconstructive surgery, and been shot twice by gangbangers trying to extort "protection" money from her. She chooses not to arm herself, but she would have arguably been much better off had she been armed and trained in the use of her firearm.

Another of my moms friend had her buisness burned down by rioters several years ago. They sold their buisness and just left.

An acquaintence of my mom nearly got killed when gangbangers tried to rob her. They shot at her and missed before her 2 rotweillers sicked the gangbangers. They shot and killed the dogs, but that gave her just enough time to escape out the back exit of her buisness.

To many of you guys who live in other countries, you guys have a different cultural attitude because you guys don't have the same level of violent gun related crimes we do. However, those of us who live in these crime prone areas have a different attitude towards guns. We "know" that banning them outright won't do jack and makes things worse, because these criminals don't obtain their firearms legally. That's one reason why I get so intensely angry when these hollywood celebrities try to speak against guns and so on when crime is obviously no frickin threat to them in their Beverly Hills, Santa Monica, and Marin County homes. Many people who also speak against guns have never been a victim, and don't know what it can feel like.

Unforgiven, that's a nice firearm you have ready! I suppose that I could just keep the magazine out of the firearm and have it ready to snap into the gun, but we have no children in our house which means it's no danger to keep it loaded. Even when people come over, they will not find it as it's in a very innovative location that is readily accessible. I've heard about hollow point shells, but what's the purpose of a hollow point shell? Is it a shell design that is optimized for man stopping power while reducing the likelihood of penetrating through walls or human flesh? While I love guns, i'm not technically familiar with the different types of bullets and stuff.
No harm no foul June I apprecaite your posts and your point of view and I like the way you can post without getting in peoples faces or trying to make anyone feel less than you for having a differing opinion. It is refreshing because many people don't have that ability when hiding behind their computer screen posting on message boards. As for your hollowpoint ? they are designed for stopping power they will mushroom when entering the body and less likeley to go through the body and thus striking somone or something else along the way.

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Unforgiven, that's a nice firearm you have ready! I suppose that I could just keep the magazine out of the firearm and have it ready to snap into the gun, but we have no children in our house which means it's no danger to keep it loaded. Even when people come over, they will not find it as it's in a very innovative location that is readily accessible. I've heard about hollow point shells, but what's the purpose of a hollow point shell? Is it a shell design that is optimized for man stopping power while reducing the likelihood of penetrating through walls or human flesh? While I love guns, i'm not technically familiar with the different types of bullets and stuff.
Thank You. As DSNY FN mentioned, a hollow point is designed to do maximum damage by expanding when it strikes a target and preventing the bullet from completely penetrating the body. It does make it safer if the bullet does not penetrate but that is not why it was designed this way. It's purely for damage and major tissue destruction.

The 5906 is a superb weapon. I've never had it fail to fire.



Just to stipulate the advantages of having a gun and not having one. From 10 years in law enforcement, I've seen a few things. I've seen situations where having a gun in proximity has saved someones life and I've also see situations where having the gun probably caused someone their life although that was strictly deduced from the situation where someone tried to get to a gun and did not make it where they might not have been harmed if they had not made the attempt. Again, given the choice I'll choose to have the gun nearby.

I used to carry a .45 interarms star pd with the silver tip hollow points. Sweet concealed weapon. Only held six shots in the mag and one up the pipe but it was thin because of the inline clip. Now that was a lethal combination. My ex-wife now owns it. Had no need for it but just took it anyway because it was mine. You really can't carry the 5906 easily unless you carry it in an under the arm harness under your coat. It has a staggered magazine and when gripping it closely resembles holding a cucumber
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Thank You. As DSNY FN mentioned, a hollow point is designed to do maximum damage by expanding when it strikes a target and preventing the bullet from completely penetrating the body. It does make it safer if the bullet does not penetrate but that is not why it was designed this way. It's purely for damage and major tissue destruction.

The 5906 is a superb weapon. I've never had it fail to fire.



Just to stipulate the advantages of having a gun and not having one. From 10 years in law enforcement, I've seen a few things. I've seen situations where having a gun in proximity has saved someones life and I've also see situations where having the gun probably caused someone their life although that was strictly deduced from the situation where someone tried to get to a gun and did not make it where they might not have been harmed if they had not made the attempt. Again, given the choice I'll choose to have the gun nearby.

I used to carry a .45 interarms star pd with the silver tip hollow points. Sweet concealed weapon. Only held six shots in the mag and one up the pipe but it was thin because of the inline clip. Now that was a lethal combination. My ex-wife now owns it. Had no need for it but just took it anyway because it was mine. You really can't carry the 5906 easily unless you carry it in an under the arm harness under your coat. It has a staggered magazine and when gripping it closely resembles holding a cucumber
LOL that is funny hey is that a gun in your hand or a cucumber LOL. Up here our weapons also have magazine limits of 5 rounds no more anything above that for the pubelic is illegal. Also for handguns LOL almost impossible to aquire them up here as it is you need a psych eval to get your permit to own a firearm and for a handgun you have to take many many more steps I would say 1 out of every 100 people up here actually get their permit. You also have to take a course on firearm safety and storage etc before you get an FAC up here.
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LOL that is funny hey is that a gun in your hand or a cucumber LOL. Up here our weapons also have magazine limits of 5 rounds no more anything above that for the pubelic is illegal. Also for handguns LOL almost impossible to aquire them up here as it is you need a psych eval to get your permit to own a firearm and for a handgun you have to take many many more steps I would say 1 out of every 100 people up here actually get their permit. You also have to take a course on firearm safety and storage etc before you get an FAC up here.

And I believe that's exactly the way to do it, although perhaps not as restrictive. My philosophy on this is let people own firearms to their hearts content, but only after they can prove that they are not a danger to society, and after showing that they are competent in firearm safety. I used to be a member of the NRA, but this is exactly why I no longer support them financially although I will agree with them from time to time. I believe that firearms should be allowed only after proving that you know how to operate one safely. I also believe that every firearm should carry a unique identification number just like every car has a unique VIN. The restrictions you have up there I beleive are overboard, but clearly is not a bad start if that is revised. As for the magazine limit, I honestly could not live with a 5 bullet limit as there have been times when I just went to the range and decide to empty the entire magazine on the target. Maybe I should head back to a range someday as it's been a while. I'll probably use that opportunity to empty my magazine so that I can fill it up with hollow point shells since man stopping power is exactly what you would want in an emergency as you don't want it penetrating anything and possibly striking someone else.
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