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Old 02-16-2011, 03:02 PM   #1  
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Default Top green vehicles of 2011

In terms of price, gas mileage, styling and size, I'd put the elantra at the top of the list.

http://www.greenercars.org/highlights_greenest.htm
HONDA CIVIC GX
NISSAN LEAF
SMART FORTWO CABRIOLET / SMART FORTWO COUP
TOYOTA PRIUS
HONDA CIVIC HYBRID
HONDA INSIGHT
FORD FIESTA SFE
CHEVROLET CRUZE ECO
HYUNDAI ELANTRA
MINI COOPER
TOYOTA YARIS
CHEVROLET VOLT
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Since the US gets more electricity from coal that any other source, what is so green about an electric car. I suppose it is the eco-friendly batteries.
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Yeah I would not buy an electric vehicle; the upfront cost is higher, still don't know how well they work in extreme weather, not sure of long term use, etc. Thus I'd buy with a 40 mpg elantra if I value fuel efficiency and low cost.
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Also don't forget the new 2012 Ford Focus that comes out next month. That baby is supposedly rated at upto 38mpg for the regular ones with the 6 speed automated powershift transmission, and 40mpg for the ones with the SFE package and the 5 speed automated powershift transmission. There arn't a lot of details at the time, but it is rumored that the SFE package will add aerodynamic rims, a more aerodynamic front end, and possibly a taller 6th gear.

As for the current cars, I would rate the Honda Civic NGX very high on the list simply because I am rather fond of natural gas vehicles.
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Yeah I would not buy an electric vehicle; the upfront cost is higher, still don't know how well they work in extreme weather, not sure of long term use, etc. Thus I'd buy with a 40 mpg elantra if I value fuel efficiency and low cost.
plus I don't trust electric-only vehicles in times of crisis. Can you depend on an electric vehicle if say you forgot to charge it at home...then you're stuck and you can't fill it up with gas like a hybrid if your batteries are dead! I would've thought that Nissan would've increased the range of that Leaf since it's so small and lightweight. It might be worth looking at if the range on a single charge was something like 400 miles, NOT 100 miles!

I think the Leaf is only good if you're in a gated community and have local access to supermarkets or stores that are closeby for your errands.
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plus I don't trust electric-only vehicles in times of crisis. Can you depend on an electric vehicle if say you forgot to charge it at home...then you're stuck and you can't fill it up with gas like a hybrid if your batteries are dead! I would've thought that Nissan would've increased the range of that Leaf since it's so small and lightweight. It might be worth looking at if the range on a single charge was something like 400 miles, NOT 100 miles!

I think the Leaf is only good if you're in a gated community and have local access to supermarkets or stores that are closeby for your errands.
Ford is supposed to be releasing an all electric Focus at the end of this year, and that one will only have a range of about 90-100 miles according to rumors. Unfortunately there isn't much we can do about all electric cars unless there is some major breakthrough in battery technology. Even then, it would be over a decade before it would become affordable enough to use in a car.

My biggest fear is that we seem to have a government that is putting all their eggs in one basket. I've said it before a while back in another thread, but I do not believe that ANY single alternative solution will be the absolute solution to our problems in the future. Especially when you look at all of our needs, I don't think the resources are there to make a single solution the only solution. Battery and electric motors require very rare earth metals that are reported to be consumed faster than we anticipated. We will run out of oil at some point. Biofuels are absolutely reckless to the worlds food supply unless we find a better way to make it from secondary non-food sources. Hydrogen either requires fossil fuels to produce, or significant electricity expenditures to create. I think the gas station of the future is likely going to have buttons to select for........

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2. 91+ octane premium
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4. B80 Biodiesel
5. Hydrogen
6. Compressed natural gas
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what if we developed vehicles to breakdown trash like Mr. Fusion in Back to the Future?? It would really help to solve our trash/land fill problems...cut down on non-biodegradable products and trash is never in short supply!!
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what if we developed vehicles to breakdown trash like Mr. Fusion in Back to the Future?? It would really help to solve our trash/land fill problems...cut down on non-biodegradable products and trash is never in short supply!!
Trash is actually pretty vital in the production of methane, and hopefully also as a secondary source to produce ethanol. Numerous firms have developed ways to produce ethanol from trash very economically at a cost of less than $1 a gallon, but the agricultural special interests are pretty gung-ho on corn being used despite the fact that there are other crops that are far more "efficient" at producing quantities of fuel grade ethanol.
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Since the US gets more electricity from coal that any other source, what is so green about an electric car. I suppose it is the eco-friendly batteries.
The US gets at most 50% of its electricity from coal, that's the average it obviously depends state to state. Batteries can be recycled. Also, renewable energy sources can be used to generate electricity. Of course, let's not go into all the energy that goes into extracting, refining and shipping oil/gas. Also, coal fired powered plants are still cleaner than burning gas in an engine.

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