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amdgamer 01-31-2011 06:02 PM

2011 Ford Escape 4WD or 2011 Hyundai Sonta 2.0T
 
Hey guys, I decided to go ahead and sell my Fusion Hybrid. I was originally not looking to do it, but I got a VERY good offer for it today. It turns out that there is a serious Fusion Hybrid buyer who wants to buy from the local Ford dealer, but none of the local dealers have any hybrids in stock. This is probably because gas prices have jumped a lot in the past few weeks.

I currently have a 2011 Ford Escape on an extended test drive till tomarrow, but i'm torn between the 274hp turbo Sonata and it. The Sonata was an incredible vehicle as Hyundai has come a very long way from the tin cans I remember 5+ years ago. Both dealers are willing to sell me the new vehicle for invoice.

I was also considering a 2011 Honda Civic SI, but decided against it. The dealer were a bunch of pricks who kept giving me monthly payments, but NO hard numbers such as how much for the Fusion Hybrid and how much for the Civic SI. They were also obscenely aggressive and ended up pissing me off. When I finally got them to spill the beans and tell me the hard numbers, they told me that the Civic SI was to be sold for sticker and that they were going to offer me $5000 less for the Fusion than the Hyundai and Ford dealer offered me(both were very interesetd in my hybrid). I finally called them back a few minutes ago and told them I was going to buy a Ford. Then they tried telling me that they'd give me $5k more for my trade in and sell me the Civic SI for invoice, at which point I told them to forget it. Even if they wern't lying about that, you can't take dealerships that act like a bunch of eastern european used car salesmen seriously and reward their assholery with your business.

Emil 01-31-2011 06:56 PM

We have a 2003 and my daughter has a 2009. We are extremely happy with them, go with the Ford!

amdgamer 01-31-2011 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Emil (Post 1143557)
We have a 2003 and my daughter has a 2009. We are extremely happy with them, go with the Ford!

Yeah, but you arn't exactly fair and balanced on this subject :)

I have a 2011 Escape I4 AWD parked outside on an extended test drive, and I have to admit that it is growing on me. If I do decide to do an Escape, I am debating whether I should get the V6 or no. The I4 does feel like it is struggling a bit, but is still much stronger than I would have expected with it being paired to an AWD drivetrain.

Emil 01-31-2011 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by amdgamer (Post 1143580)
Yeah, but you arn't exactly fair and balanced on this subject :)

Sure I am, GET THE FORD !

Mistake though, we have an '02 not an '03 :o
My daughter bought the least expensive one out, the 5 speed manual version.
What a contrast, she traded in her F350 Crew Diesel Dually then got the Escape. Actually there was a used Passat in there for a while but we won't mention that.

amdgamer 01-31-2011 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Emil (Post 1143629)
Sure I am, GET THE FORD !

Mistake though, we have an '02 not an '03 :o
My daughter bought the least expensive one out, the 5 speed manual version.
What a contrast, she traded in her F350 Crew Diesel Dually then got the Escape. Actually there was a used Passat in there for a while but we won't mention that.

LOL, your daughter made the VW mistake?

I am leaning towards the Escape AWD right now, but it isn't decisive as it is more of a 55/45 lean towards it. What has me leaning in that direction, is that Ford has 0% financing for 60 months and 1.9% for 72 months if I decide to go that long. Hyundai is currently only offering 2.9% for 60 months on the turbo Sonata, and 3.9% for 72 months.

If I decide on the Escape, I also have to decide whether I want to spend the extra $1500 for a V6.

gameguru1360 02-01-2011 01:25 AM

anytime it comes to YOUR money, you can't trust the dealerships. They're out to make money off of you and usually try to lowball you for your trade so that they don't lose out.

I hate the fact that they make you wait so long when you haggle with them. When I was trying to get my 09 altima 2.5 s through their certified pre-owned, they couldn't answer my questions all at once. I had like 6 different questions about the car and their warranty and it literally took them 4 hours to answer the questions one at a time!

I would probably opt for the hyundai considering it's got a lot of power and probably has better fuel economy than the Escape, but then again the Escape probably has more space if you're looking to transport a lot of people or items.

Emil 02-01-2011 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by amdgamer (Post 1143647)
LOL, your daughter made the VW mistake?

I am leaning towards the Escape AWD right now, but it isn't decisive as it is more of a 55/45 lean towards it. What has me leaning in that direction, is that Ford has 0% financing for 60 months and 1.9% for 72 months if I decide to go that long. Hyundai is currently only offering 2.9% for 60 months on the turbo Sonata, and 3.9% for 72 months.

If I decide on the Escape, I also have to decide whether I want to spend the extra $1500 for a V6.

The VW body and interior were real nice, but was very expensive to repair, and it did need repair. The 1.8T was pretty wimpy too.

You need to drive the V6 Escape, you'll be sold then.
The torque of the 6 and sweet 6 speed trans got to be an excellent combo.
Our '02 has the v6 and 4 speed (fwd) and still runs nice .

amdgamer 02-01-2011 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by gameguru1360 (Post 1143726)
anytime it comes to YOUR money, you can't trust the dealerships. They're out to make money off of you and usually try to lowball you for your trade so that they don't lose out.

I hate the fact that they make you wait so long when you haggle with them. When I was trying to get my 09 altima 2.5 s through their certified pre-owned, they couldn't answer my questions all at once. I had like 6 different questions about the car and their warranty and it literally took them 4 hours to answer the questions one at a time!

I would probably opt for the hyundai considering it's got a lot of power and probably has better fuel economy than the Escape, but then again the Escape probably has more space if you're looking to transport a lot of people or items.

You might be surprised just how honest and straight foward some dealerships are. The local Ford dealer that I go to is probably one of the most honest sales departments i've ever seen. They don't BS and try to confuse you as they give you the hard numbers. They give you a straight foward trade in value, purchase price, and finance details all in writing usually within 15-30 minutes of deciding what you want. They will bring you the invoice and show it to you so that you can see what kind of deal you are getting.

The Hyundai dealer local to me also appears to be incredibly honest as they seem to have the same customer service philosophy as the local Ford dealer that I go to all the time. In my life however, I have had horrible problems with the local Honda and Toyota dealers as they are some arrogant ass pricks. They treat you like they are doing you a favor to let you walk in and see their precious cars.

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Originally Posted by Emil (Post 1143760)
The VW body and interior were real nice, but was very expensive to repair, and it did need repair. The 1.8T was pretty wimpy too.

You need to drive the V6 Escape, you'll be sold then.
The torque of the 6 and sweet 6 speed trans got to be an excellent combo.
Our '02 has the v6 and 4 speed (fwd) and still runs nice .

Yeah, and VW's are too reliable either. I know plenty of people who became incredibly happy to own a VW only to suffer heartbreak when it started to nickel and dime them. I am thinking about the V6, but it is out of my price range unfortunately. I am still juggling the numbers to see if it is a possibility, but that would mean I would have to give up the factory navigation system. Ford has one of the best factory nav setups of any company, and i'm not sure I want to give it up. Fuel economy wise, the V6 gets upto 23mpg versus 26mpg with the I4 for the AWD versions.

What has me leaning towards the Escape is how it feels so much like a little truck. I can't stand the majority of small SUV's and CUV's on the market right now because they have become too much like a car. If I wanted to buy a car, I would be buying a car. I am buying an SUV because I want something that feels like a small truck or SUV. The Hyundai dealer just called me again today and made me an offer that I might not be able to refuse. It is incredibly good and i'm tempted to take the turbo Sonata.......

Emil 02-01-2011 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by amdgamer (Post 1143882)
The Hyundai dealer just called me again today and made me an offer that I might not be able to refuse. It is incredibly good and i'm tempted to take the turbo Sonata.......

You can refuse, you must, your country depends on it :)!

I'm actually able to put 2 4x8 sheets of plywood in the Escape!
On an angle and sticking out the back but good enough to get home with.
We live right outside of Chicago and we've never needed AWD, are you sure you need it? Good chunk of change right there.
Throw the Hyundai offer at the Ford dealer, see what he comes up with!

scoutyjones2 02-01-2011 12:06 PM

I love my 08 Mariner Hybrid but if I had to purchase a new vehicle again, I would go for the new Kia Sorrento...beautiful riding SUV and great pricing with honorable gas mileage, and made in the new Georgia plant. But the Escape is a good choice also...

Good luck and let us know!

amdgamer 02-01-2011 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Emil (Post 1143886)
You can refuse, you must, your country depends on it :)!

I'm actually able to put 2 4x8 sheets of plywood in the Escape!
On an angle and sticking out the back but good enough to get home with.
We live right outside of Chicago and we've never needed AWD, are you sure you need it? Good chunk of change right there.
Throw the Hyundai offer at the Ford dealer, see what he comes up with!

I don't see a point in buying an SUV without AWD or 4WD. If that is what I wanted to do, i'd just buy a car. However AWD can prove useful here because I live on top of a long steep hill. Cincinnati is also full of lots of hills. The offer from Ford is pretty much set in stone because they would have to order in the Escape for me. They will sell to me at invoice. I really want a navigation system, and the closest dealer that has an Escape in stock with a navigation system is over in Illinois somewhere.

Bigloww 02-01-2011 12:21 PM

I have a 2010 Ford Escape and like it quite a bit. Good all around ride and does good in the snow.. I only have the 4 banger (I tow and haul with my Jeep), so gas mileage is excellent. My Aunt had the 6 banger and it puts out ample torx and HP for a 6 of its size. (240 hp I think) and still gets good MPG. A little smaller than I am used to, but with the rear seats folded down, it gets the job done for those trips to Home Depot... Upgraded sound system was dam good too. All in all, good ride.. Love the Sync too.

Emil 02-01-2011 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by amdgamer (Post 1143890)
I don't see a point in buying an SUV without AWD or 4WD.

Some people need 4wd, no doubt about it but most don't. I think most SUV's are bought for size and interior room.

My daughter ordered hers, she got exactly what she wanted.

amdgamer 02-01-2011 07:01 PM

Well, I went ahead and made a decision for a Steel Blue Escape Limited with a light camel interior. I went ahead and decided to go with the I4 AWD version and opted for the navigation system, package 302a, and the auto parallel park thingie.

House72 02-01-2011 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by amdgamer (Post 1143890)
I don't see a point in buying an SUV without AWD or 4WD. If that is what I wanted to do, i'd just buy a car. However AWD can prove useful here because I live on top of a long steep hill. Cincinnati is also full of lots of hills. The offer from Ford is pretty much set in stone because they would have to order in the Escape for me. They will sell to me at invoice. I really want a navigation system, and the closest dealer that has an Escape in stock with a navigation system is over in Illinois somewhere.

Buy a GPS.. Navi systems are a rip when it comes to cars, an extra grand for one..:mad: No thanks, I'll go buy a portable GPS unit, and take it car to car.. :D

Congrats on the new SUV.. :yippee:


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