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Old 11-02-2010, 07:27 PM   #16  
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The Honda Accord is built right here in Marysville, OH. Many other Honda's are built right here in Greensville, IN. The Toyota Camry is built in Georgetown, KY. Many smaller Toyota's are built at the joint Toyota and GM plant in California if i'm not mistaken.

My next vehicle will always be a Ford, but that is because Ford has always treated me right. I did have one really bad Ford, but they offered to buy it back and traded me into a more expensive vehicle. They took my 2001 SVT Cobra back and traded me into a more expensive 2002 SVT Lightning.
But the profits from those foreign car ASSEMBLED here still have the parts made elsewhere and the profits are taken back out of the country. If we keep buying foreign we will become a 3rd world country since there is not ONE 1st world country that makes nothing on this planet.
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Old 11-02-2010, 08:29 PM   #17  
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But the profits from those foreign car ASSEMBLED here still have the parts made elsewhere and the profits are taken back out of the country. If we keep buying foreign we will become a 3rd world country since there is not ONE 1st world country that makes nothing on this planet.
I know, but I guess I was telling you what cars i'd consider before I would ever consider another GM vehicle. I just cannot support them, whether it was Obama that screwed over the investors or not.

Of course that is moot since Ford is here to stay as they continue to make more and more cars that I like. That nitwit William Clay Ford Jr. nearly ruined Ford and Alan Mulally had to come and repair the damage.
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Old 11-03-2010, 05:35 AM   #18  
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But the profits from those foreign car ASSEMBLED here still have the parts made elsewhere and the profits are taken back out of the country. If we keep buying foreign we will become a 3rd world country since there is not ONE 1st world country that makes nothing on this planet.
So true!
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Old 11-03-2010, 07:19 AM   #19  
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Government Motors. From the Wall Street Journal:
Now it turns out, according to documents filed with federal regulators, the revamping left the car maker with another boost as it prepares to return to the stock market. It won't have to pay $45.4 billion in taxes on future profits.

So now in addition to all the billions of $ already heaped upon the UAW and GM-- the tax payers will be on the hook for another $45 Billion.

It is amazing that Ford has been even able to compete; I think Ford has done a GREAT job trying to come back. I hope they continue the trend.
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Old 11-03-2010, 12:28 PM   #20  
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Government Motors. From the Wall Street Journal:
Now it turns out, according to documents filed with federal regulators, the revamping left the car maker with another boost as it prepares to return to the stock market. It won't have to pay $45.4 billion in taxes on future profits.

So now in addition to all the billions of $ already heaped upon the UAW and GM-- the tax payers will be on the hook for another $45 Billion.

It is amazing that Ford has been even able to compete; I think Ford has done a GREAT job trying to come back. I hope they continue the trend.
Yup......

This is exactly why I will NEVER buy another GM product again. I have owned 2 GM products including my last 06 Trailblazer SS which I traded in for my current 2010 Fusion Hybrid.

Bad companies are not supposed to be rewarded, and when you interfere like this you start screwing up the market. It should be the market that picks the losers and winners. In the mean time, Ford is currently saddled with about $23 billion in debt because they did things right and fixed their own problems versus asking for a taxpayer handout. Ford was actually at $27 billion in debt, but have been able to start paying it down with the recent string of profits. It isn't fair that Ford, and to a much lesser extent Toyota, Honda, Renault(Nissan and Infiniti), the VW brands, Benz, BMW, Smart, Mini, and so on played by the rules that others didn't have to.
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Old 11-03-2010, 02:55 PM   #21  
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So true!
It's not as true as you might think.

Domestic content for 2008 & 2009 model year:

Toyota Sienna: 85% domestic content
Toyota Tundra 80% Domestic content
Ford Escape: 65% domestic content
Ford Edge: 70% domestic content
Ford F-150: 80% domestic content, down from 90% for '07
Chevrolet Silverado 1500: 85% for '08, down from 90% for '07
Toyota Camry/Solara: 68% for '08, down from 78% for '07
Honda Accord: 60% for '08, down from 65% for '07
Toyota Corolla: 50% for '09, down from 65% for '08
Toyota Matrix: 65% for '09, down from 75% for '08
Dodge Ram: 68% for '08, down from 72% for '07
Honda Pilot: 70% for '09, same as '08
Honda Civic: 70% for '08, up from 55% for '07

The trend in both the (most) Jap and American manufacturers is to drop the domestic content in the US built products.

And quality matters. Ford has done extremely well with the Ford and Lincoln brands-- both above the average when using defects/100 cars as a measure.
BRANDS OVERALL (defects per 100 vehicles):
Industry average was 108 per 100, 2010 Model Year

Porsche (83)
Acura (86)
Mercedes-Benz (87)
Lexus (88)
Ford (93)
Honda (95)
Hyundai (102)
Lincoln (106)
Infiniti (107)
AVERAGE (108)
Volvo (109)
Ram (110)
Audi (111)
Cadillac (111)
Chevrolet (111)
Nissan (111)
BMW (113)
Mercury (113)
Buick (114)
Mazda(114)
Scion (114)
Toyota (117)
Subaru (121)
Chrysler (122)
Suzuki (122)
GMC (126)
Kia (126)
Jeep (129)
Dodge (130)
Jaguar (130)
Mini (133)
Volkswagen (135)
Mitsubishi (146)
Land Rover (170)

The Indians did not do to well with their Jag and Land Rover; but the South Koreans are moving up.

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Old 11-03-2010, 05:41 PM   #22  
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Having owned two Land Rovers before(a Freelander and Series II Discovery), I believe they are beyond any help at this point in time. I just can't understand what in the hell is wrong with British vehicles as they are still some of the worst vehicles anyone can ever buy from a quality standpoint.

My 02 Freelander spent 90 days of the 120 days I owned it at the shop for just about every possible problem in the book. Land Rover traded me into a 03 Series II Discovery that wasn't much better as it would start leaking something as soon as I turned my back. One thing I will tell you though, is that customer service is absolutely top knotch.

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It's not as true as you might think.

Domestic content for 2008 & 2009 model year:

Toyota Sienna: 85% domestic content
Toyota Tundra 80% Domestic content
Ford Escape: 65% domestic content
Ford Edge: 70% domestic content
Ford F-150: 80% domestic content, down from 90% for '07
Chevrolet Silverado 1500: 85% for '08, down from 90% for '07
Toyota Camry/Solara: 68% for '08, down from 78% for '07
Honda Accord: 60% for '08, down from 65% for '07
Toyota Corolla: 50% for '09, down from 65% for '08
Toyota Matrix: 65% for '09, down from 75% for '08
Dodge Ram: 68% for '08, down from 72% for '07
Honda Pilot: 70% for '09, same as '08
Honda Civic: 70% for '08, up from 55% for '07

The trend in both the (most) Jap and American manufacturers is to drop the domestic content in the US built products.

And quality matters. Ford has done extremely well with the Ford and Lincoln brands-- both above the average when using defects/100 cars as a measure.
BRANDS OVERALL (defects per 100 vehicles):
Industry average was 108 per 100, 2010 Model Year

Porsche (83)
Acura (86)
Mercedes-Benz (87)
Lexus (88)
Ford (93)
Honda (95)
Hyundai (102)
Lincoln (106)
Infiniti (107)
AVERAGE (108)
Volvo (109)
Ram (110)
Audi (111)
Cadillac (111)
Chevrolet (111)
Nissan (111)
BMW (113)
Mercury (113)
Buick (114)
Mazda(114)
Scion (114)
Toyota (117)
Subaru (121)
Chrysler (122)
Suzuki (122)
GMC (126)
Kia (126)
Jeep (129)
Dodge (130)
Jaguar (130)
Mini (133)
Volkswagen (135)
Mitsubishi (146)
Land Rover (170)

The Indians did not do to well with their Jag and Land Rover; but the South Koreans are moving up.
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Old 11-04-2010, 06:33 PM   #23  
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First vehicle I ever remember riding in as a tyke, was my dad's '47 Pontiac convertible. Memorable also, since we became essentially a 'Chevy' family for many years after that.
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Old 11-04-2010, 09:34 PM   #24  
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I owned 5 Pontiacs:

1970 Lemans

1970 Firebird Trans Am (my first restoration project)

1973 Firebird Formula 400 (first new car)

1976 Firebird Trans Am

1977 Grand Prix (bought new)
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