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Old 01-09-2011, 02:42 PM   #16  
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that thing looks butt ass ugly, and it looks like ford is trying to take design cues from Austin martin. out of all the fords i've seen the focus is ugly, hell even my dads 1998 honda civic looks better and is easier to work on than that. i mean come on i want something i can actully work on, that things is probably completly computerized, and you guys got to remember if its digital than that is the first thing to go out
Really, I forgive because you're so young, but that last part is so wrong, it seems like you're trying to make a joke.

If you were older, you would know how how having to work on your car monthly or more was not so great, we lived with it because all cars were like that and we enjoyed the status and the friends you developed giving each of us tips on working to make or cars run better, actually just run was more like it.

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A nice smooth torque curve is easier to handle than a peaky one if you're really pushing it. IMO at least.
I think it just boils down to how aggressively the torque curve comes on. A peaky torque curve in my opinion is much easier to deal with in a FWD vehicle versus getting hit with a "wall" of torque from the very beginning. With a peaky torque curve, it gradually increases as you climb in rpms. Either way, it pains me that RWD is pretty hard to come by these days as I still consider FWD to be wrong wheel drive.
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I think it just boils down to how aggressively the torque curve comes on. A peaky torque curve in my opinion is much easier to deal with in a FWD vehicle versus getting hit with a "wall" of torque from the very beginning. With a peaky torque curve, it gradually increases as you climb in rpms. Either way, it pains me that RWD is pretty hard to come by these days as I still consider FWD to be wrong wheel drive.
Think we learned about front wheel drive a long time ago

Peaky is cool... I like the feeling of top end rush. But for just driving I prefer solid predictable smooth torque.
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Think we learned about front wheel drive a long time ago

Peaky is cool... I like the feeling of top end rush. But for just driving I prefer solid predictable smooth torque.
I never rode one of those. When I was that small, I got a little kids bike with training wheels on it. I guess you can say I learned from childhood on a RWD platform.

You are definately correct though that for daily driving, low rpm torque is always the best. This is especially true if your commute involves rush hour driving. One of the last cars you ever want to drive in the city or during stop and go rush hour is the Honda S2000. I know because I had one, but boy was that thing fun once the highways opened up and you could row it through to gears with the engine screaming at upto 9300rpms.
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I never rode one of those. When I was that small, I got a little kids bike with training wheels on it. I guess you can say I learned from childhood on a RWD platform.

You are definately correct though that for daily driving, low rpm torque is always the best. This is especially true if your commute involves rush hour driving. One of the last cars you ever want to drive in the city or during stop and go rush hour is the Honda S2000. I know because I had one, but boy was that thing fun once the highways opened up and you could row it through to gears with the engine screaming at upto 9300rpms.
S2K's are screaming sick cars, I love the tach in them things
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It was awesome, but it required so much patience when driving in the city. Lots of people didn't know, but it is a VERY fragile car that doesn't handle abuse very well either. You have no idea how many members of our Ohio S2000 club blew their transmissions, half shafts, differentials, and CV joints after only a few clutch dumps from redline. After that, the clutch was amazingly fragile as many were going through a new one every 12-15k miles with the more abusive owners going through one as early as 8000 miles. Especially when driving in the city, you almost had to abuse it a little because it had so little torque. The S2000 is the car that gives new meaning to "Hold On Not Done Accellerating(HONDA)." It was so bad that Honda switched to a less peaky 2.2 litre I4 with an 8000 rpm redline and more torque than the previous 9300rpm 2.0 litre.

However once you get on to an open stretch of road, it was amazing how hard that sucker pulled. The day before I traded it in, I take it for one last blast and hit 155mph with the engine screaming away. I can't exactly remember, but I believe I was in 6th gear screaming away at around 8500rpms or so.
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It was awesome, but it required so much patience when driving in the city. Lots of people didn't know, but it is a VERY fragile car that doesn't handle abuse very well either. You have no idea how many members of our Ohio S2000 club blew their transmissions, half shafts, differentials, and CV joints after only a few clutch dumps from redline. After that, the clutch was amazingly fragile as many were going through a new one every 12-15k miles with the more abusive owners going through one as early as 8000 miles. Especially when driving in the city, you almost had to abuse it a little because it had so little torque. The S2000 is the car that gives new meaning to "Hold On Not Done Accellerating(HONDA)." It was so bad that Honda switched to a less peaky 2.2 litre I4 with an 8000 rpm redline and more torque than the previous 9300rpm 2.0 litre.

However once you get on to an open stretch of road, it was amazing how hard that sucker pulled. The day before I traded it in, I take it for one last blast and hit 155mph with the engine screaming away. I can't exactly remember, but I believe I was in 6th gear screaming away at around 8500rpms or so.
Just curious, how fast did it go in first gear at redline?
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It was awesome, but it required so much patience when driving in the city. Lots of people didn't know, but it is a VERY fragile car that doesn't handle abuse very well either. You have no idea how many members of our Ohio S2000 club blew their transmissions, half shafts, differentials, and CV joints after only a few clutch dumps from redline. After that, the clutch was amazingly fragile as many were going through a new one every 12-15k miles with the more abusive owners going through one as early as 8000 miles. Especially when driving in the city, you almost had to abuse it a little because it had so little torque. The S2000 is the car that gives new meaning to "Hold On Not Done Accellerating(HONDA)." It was so bad that Honda switched to a less peaky 2.2 litre I4 with an 8000 rpm redline and more torque than the previous 9300rpm 2.0 litre.

However once you get on to an open stretch of road, it was amazing how hard that sucker pulled. The day before I traded it in, I take it for one last blast and hit 155mph with the engine screaming away. I can't exactly remember, but I believe I was in 6th gear screaming away at around 8500rpms or so.

You're clutch dumping at 9k and you're surprised the clutch didn't hold

It's just not a drag car... smooth shifts, keep it in the power band, and it would probably last a big longer.
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From what I remember 40'ish.
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Just curious, how fast did it go in first gear at redline?
I don't remember anymore, but I think somewhere in the mid to upper 30's. I am thinking that it hit 37mph at redline in 1st gear, but I just can't remember. The S2000 has some crazy short gearing, which is the product of the tranny being paired with a motorcycle engine. If my memory is still correct, 1st goes to 37mph, 2nd goes to 60-65mph, 3rd goes to 90mph, 4th goes to 115-120mph, and it gets blurry from then on.

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You're clutch dumping at 9k and you're surprised the clutch didn't hold

It's just not a drag car... smooth shifts, keep it in the power band, and it would probably last a big longer.


From what I remember 40'ish.
Ohh, I traded it in before it needed a new clutch and I never abused my car. I drove it hard, but never did the things that others did such as redline clutch dumps. However one of the biggest killers of the clutch was the lack of low end torque, because you had to give it good rpms when moving from a complete stop. I usually double clutched when I knew I was going to downshift by more than 2 gears. I also match revs as well, and got good at it so that hardcore downshifts would be smooth.
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I don't remember anymore, but I think somewhere in the mid to upper 30's. I am thinking that it hit 37mph at redline in 1st gear, but I just can't remember. The S2000 has some crazy short gearing, which is the product of the tranny being paired with a motorcycle engine. If my memory is still correct, 1st goes to 37mph, 2nd goes to 60-65mph, 3rd goes to 90mph, 4th goes to 115-120mph, and it gets blurry from then on.



Ohh, I traded it in before it needed a new clutch and I never abused my car. I drove it hard, but never did the things that others did such as redline clutch dumps. However one of the biggest killers of the clutch was the lack of low end torque, because you had to give it good rpms when moving from a complete stop. I usually double clutched when I knew I was going to downshift by more than 2 gears. I also match revs as well, and got good at it so that hardcore downshifts would be smooth.
My Mustang surprisingly is very touchy to start too. The product of an aluminum flywheel, the S2K probably has one too.
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I don't remember anymore, but I think somewhere in the mid to upper 30's. I am thinking that it hit 37mph at redline in 1st gear, but I just can't remember. The S2000 has some crazy short gearing, which is the product of the tranny being paired with a motorcycle engine. If my memory is still correct, 1st goes to 37mph, 2nd goes to 60-65mph, 3rd goes to 90mph, 4th goes to 115-120mph, and it gets blurry from then on.
Past 120 and the speedo is probably the last thing you should be looking at

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Ohh, I traded it in before it needed a new clutch and I never abused my car. I drove it hard, but never did the things that others did such as redline clutch dumps. However one of the biggest killers of the clutch was the lack of low end torque, because you had to give it good rpms when moving from a complete stop. I usually double clutched when I knew I was going to downshift by more than 2 gears. I also match revs as well, and got good at it so that hardcore downshifts would be smooth.
Ahhh... I miss having a little go kart now. Double clutch downshifts and heel-toe's into sharp turns... trail braking my mr2 through mountain roads and feeling the back end just step out a teeny bit. Was fun.

If you just drive it with slow starts the clutch would last. Hell... my mustang and my saturn both have over 160k miles on them, and they BOTH have the original clutches
(yeah it's time for them to be replaced... but that could be said of the entire car!)
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Exactly, which is why it was a blur after that. I did take a short look and noticed I was going 155mph before common sense overtook me and I immediately slowed down to legal speeds. At those speeds in the S2000, the sound is absolutely deafening and that was even with the optional hardtop that I had installed since it was winter.

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Ahhh... I miss having a little go kart now. Double clutch downshifts and heel-toe's into sharp turns... trail braking my mr2 through mountain roads and feeling the back end just step out a teeny bit. Was fun.

If you just drive it with slow starts the clutch would last. Hell... my mustang and my saturn both have over 160k miles on them, and they BOTH have the original clutches
(yeah it's time for them to be replaced... but that could be said of the entire car!)

Unfortunately, one thing i've never been able to do is heel-toe as I have a wide foot. However the clutch in the S2000 was just plain weak. It felt literally like sandpaper and it was rumored at the time that Honda did that because so many people were blowing the drivetrain trying to get the 5.9 second 0-60 that all the car magazines were able to get by doing redline clutch dumps. Engaging the clutch at low speeds really wasn't that possible because it had so little torque down in that range. I stalled mine out several times when trying to move from being completely stopped on a uphill slope. It wasn't like my former 01 SVT Cobra where you could engage the clutch at nearly idle and do just fine.
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