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Emil 04-21-2010 06:14 AM

Halleluja
 
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100421/...s_ap_poll_cars

Now that a particular foreign car company got caught hiding its' quality issues people are realizing that they aren't as good as "someone" said they are.

amdgamer 04-21-2010 12:14 PM

Now that this issue with Toyota has caused consumers to consider other brands, i'm hoping that import loyalists will at least give Ford a fair try. I know many people who would never even test drive an alternative make of vehicle, so they never knew what they were mising. If former import loyalists are now considering American vehicles, then that is a big plus. I just hope they don't forget which one didn't need our taxpayer help to bail them out :)

Rick-F 04-21-2010 12:36 PM

I drive a car designed in the USA; manufactured in the USA-- even the ones sold in Japan are made in the USA. . . an Acura TL. The last new Pontiac I bought was imported (from Canada). As a former stockholder of GM, I will never buy another Government Motors car.

johns70 04-24-2010 08:58 PM

When a friend recently went car shopping FORD was found to be more expensive than the KIA he bought. FORD also still only has a 3 year/36,000 mile warranty. FORD best financing was approx. 5 % interest.

KIA has a 10 year 100,000 mile limited powertrain warranty, 5 year 60,000 mile limited basic warranty.

The KIA financing was 0% for 36 months, or 2.9 % for up to 60 months, or 4.9 % for 72 months.

Emil 04-24-2010 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by johns70 (Post 1036687)
When a friend recently went car shopping FORD was found to be more expensive than the KIA he bought. FORD also still only has a 3 year/36,000 mile warranty. FORD best financing was approx. 5 % interest.

KIA has a 10 year 100,000 mile limited powertrain warranty, 5 year 60,000 mile limited basic warranty.

The KIA financing was 0% for 36 months, or 2.9 % for up to 60 months, or 4.9 % for 72 months.

If both cars are equal then the KIA is the clear choice but is the KIA equal to the FORD?

adamwilkes20 04-25-2010 06:49 PM

I honestly havent heard much negative talk about KIA...We own a Ford Windstar and I can guarantee you this...it will be the last Ford I ever own. We bought it because we couldnt find a used Venture in our area and the Uplander wasnt out of our budget.

Emil 04-25-2010 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by adamwilkes20 (Post 1036927)
I honestly havent heard much negative talk about KIA...We own a Ford Windstar and I can guarantee you this...it will be the last Ford I ever own. We bought it because we couldnt find a used Venture in our area and the Uplander wasnt out of our budget.

There are many stories like this just with the names reversed.
Cars break.

adamwilkes20 04-25-2010 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Emil (Post 1036958)
There are many stories like this just with the names reversed.
Cars break.

I understand that and I know what you mean. I used to be a Ford fan, but the whole 3.8 intake gasket deal ruined my opinion of Ford's customer service. They knew there was a problem with the intake gaskets, but yet only issued a TSB rather than recalled the affected 3.8 engines. When people were taking their 3.8 equipped engines into the shop with the SEL glowing and the OBD II codes showing lean, the Ford service managers got to charge nearly $1,000.00 per repair to replace the gaskets.

amdgamer 04-25-2010 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by adamwilkes20 (Post 1036973)
I understand that and I know what you mean. I used to be a Ford fan, but the whole 3.8 intake gasket deal ruined my opinion of Ford's customer service. They knew there was a problem with the intake gaskets, but yet only issued a TSB rather than recalled the affected 3.8 engines. When people were taking their 3.8 equipped engines into the shop with the SEL glowing and the OBD II codes showing lean, the Ford service managers got to charge nearly $1,000.00 per repair to replace the gaskets.

That was the old Ford. I honestly like the new Ford a lot more ever since Alan Mulally took over. Those 3.8 litre head gaskets won't bother you anymore. My understanding from what I read in an article back during the 90's was that 15-20% of all 3.8's had a head gasket failure. Ford's 4.6 litre SOHC engine from that time period also suffered from intake manifold and intake manifold gaskets failing due to a really bad composite design.

adamwilkes20 04-25-2010 10:48 PM

It wasnt head gaskets, it the intake gaskets on our 2003...they become oil contaminated, the fuel pressure regulator hose must be changed, the isolator bolts must be changed...quite a few things.

We got it fixed at our local NAPA repair center for somewhere around $370 IIRC.

amdgamer 04-25-2010 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adamwilkes20 (Post 1036987)
It wasnt head gaskets, it the intake gaskets on our 2003...they become oil contaminated, the fuel pressure regulator hose must be changed, the isolator bolts must be changed...quite a few things.

We got it fixed at our local NAPA repair center for somewhere around $370 IIRC.

Ohh, I thought we were talking about the 3.8 from the 90's. Either way sorry to hear about it. Stuff like that can leave a bad taste in your mouth for a long time.

Emil 04-26-2010 05:57 AM

Unfortunately there are some particular products that they did mess up on. The "they" here is all manufacturers.

johns70 05-09-2010 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emil (Post 1036692)
If both cars are equal then the KIA is the clear choice but is the KIA equal to the FORD?

The KIA and the FORD my friend was looking at were equal as far as features went and the gas mileage rating was actually a little better on the KIA. They were both 4 doors with air conditioning, bluetooth compatible, iPod audio connection built in, cruise control, xx number of airbags.

The day after my friend test drove the FORD the FORD salesguy called and said someone else is coming in to buy the car you test drove tomorrow, if you want it you better come and get it before 3:00 tomorrow. Can you say desperate ? He got another call a few days later from the FORD salesguy saying the car was still available.

Emil 05-10-2010 05:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johns70 (Post 1041994)
The day after my friend test drove the FORD the FORD salesguy called and said someone else is coming in to buy the car you test drove tomorrow, if you want it you better come and get it before 3:00 tomorrow. Can you say desperate ?

You must not be familiar with the car business.

Hope your friend enjoys his Kia.

daleb 05-10-2010 10:13 AM

Supposedly KIA has improved. Note their sister cars are now mostly the same as Hyundai, and Hyundai has a good reputation.
But KIA is still 2nd tier to Hyundai. I guess time will tell.


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