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Old 05-28-2010, 09:48 PM   #31  
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I don't know why..most people follow the owner's manual but for some reason a few get all weird about the octane recommendation.

I do that same.. follow the recommendation...if it says 87, ,then I just use regular. Occasionally, I might bump it up to 89 if I expect to load up the car and drive it hard on a hot day, etc. That's quite rare.

For a while the top tier companies worded their ads to make it sound like if you did not use premium you will miss out on the cleaning benefit...the ads have been toned down a lot. All grades have detergents...or I suspect you would start to see a lot of economy cars on the side of road as rusted out carcasses.
But some still equate quality with octane level.

I had a Infiniti G35 coupe with a premium recommendation. There was no way I would ever put regular in that, but that also had a lot to do with the way I drove it! LOL
What was varied across the grades of fuel with some companies, is that they varied the amount of additives. For instance Chevron added 20% more techron into their supreme grade of fuel, while others kept the percentages the same. The key here is that people should avoid discount fuels, which generally only add the minimum amount of detergents required by law. This has been proven by Honda, GM, Ford, and BMW extensively to be not enough.
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What was varied across the grades of fuel with some companies, is that they varied the amount of additives. For instance Chevron added 20% more techron into their supreme grade of fuel, while others kept the percentages the same. The key here is that people should avoid discount fuels, which generally only add the minimum amount of detergents required by law. This has been proven by Honda, GM, Ford, and BMW extensively to be not enough.
Could you clarify a bit more? There are discount premium fuels also.

One overriding problem, is that discount does not necessarily mean it it is not top-tier, only that the 'station' does not bear their logo. Costco being a case in point, I'm sure there are others. In Costco's case, they tank whatever top-tier gas is the cheapest that week.

But of course, it is difficult for the anybody to know when they pull in to a place, unless it has a sign, like maybe "Last Chance"...even then...

Evidence that cars run on regular fuel are running the risk of faster deterioration is non-existent unless someone has some to present.
If it is, then it is a perfect opportunity for car makers to sell detergents at each oil change, I would think.
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By discount, I mean cheapie discount fuel stations that always try to sell for the lowest possible price. Speedway was considered a discount fuel at one point(may still be), and there are plenty of no name places like Swifty as well. Costco actually carries very high quality fuel and last I heard, they had a contract with both Shell and BP depending on which provides at a lower cost.

There is actually no evidence that cars running on regular fuel risk faster deterioration IF you are running a top tier fuel like Shell, BP, Chevron, Texaco, and so on. Typically, some of these brands like Chevron have added higher amounts of additives to their premium fuels as a marketing thing. This is why I only run the octane that the manufacturer calls for and never run higher than 87 if the vehicle doesn't call for higher than 87. I have bumped a vehicle up to 89 octane before though on a hot summer day when my old Focus was transporting 4 adults through the hills of Kentucky.

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Could you clarify a bit more? There are discount premium fuels also.

One overriding problem, is that discount does not necessarily mean it it is not top-tier, only that the 'station' does not bear their logo. Costco being a case in point, I'm sure there are others. In Costco's case, they tank whatever top-tier gas is the cheapest that week.

But of course, it is difficult for the anybody to know when they pull in to a place, unless it has a sign, like maybe "Last Chance"...even then...

Evidence that cars run on regular fuel are running the risk of faster deterioration is non-existent unless someone has some to present.
If it is, then it is a perfect opportunity for car makers to sell detergents at each oil change, I would think.
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By discount, I mean cheapie discount fuel stations that always try to sell for the lowest possible price. Speedway was considered a discount fuel at one point(may still be), and there are plenty of no name places like Swifty as well. Costco actually carries very high quality fuel and last I heard, they had a contract with both Shell and BP depending on which provides at a lower cost.

There is actually no evidence that cars running on regular fuel risk faster deterioration IF you are running a top tier fuel like Shell, BP, Chevron, Texaco, and so on. Typically, some of these brands like Chevron have added higher amounts of additives to their premium fuels as a marketing thing. This is why I only run the octane that the manufacturer calls for and never run higher than 87 if the vehicle doesn't call for higher than 87. I have bumped a vehicle up to 89 octane before though on a hot summer day when my old Focus was transporting 4 adults through the hills of Kentucky.
Yeah, Costco is probably a safe bet if you want to save money. I wish I had one more convenient. We agree to agree on all points.

Have a great weekend, everyone, and careful out there if you plan to wander beyond your BBQ!
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Yeah, Costco is probably a safe bet if you want to save money. I wish I had one more convenient. We agree to agree on all points.

Have a great weekend, everyone, and careful out there if you plan to wander beyond your BBQ!
The only thing that makes me very nervous about Costco fuel here in Cincinnati, is that they have a sticker on all of the pumps stating that the pump fuel may contain upto 10% ethanol. Cincinnati last I heard, is not an ethanol using region as we get mostly straight petrol. However, the folks right across the river in Kentucky that that booze blended crap which has been linked to leaking fuel lines and carbeurators in older vehicles, as well as decreased fuel economy.
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The only thing that makes me very nervous about Costco fuel here in Cincinnati, is that they have a sticker on all of the pumps stating that the pump fuel may contain upto 10% ethanol. Cincinnati last I heard, is not an ethanol using region as we get mostly straight petrol. However, the folks right across the river in Kentucky that that booze blended crap which has been linked to leaking fuel lines and carbeurators in older vehicles, as well as decreased fuel economy.

you will start seeing it at every pump, eventually. When the EPA mandated ethanol blended fuel they only mandated it in high pollution regions. however, they are wanting to extend that mandate to ALL regions. Some fuels already have the ethanol blended in and it is estimated that nearly 85% of fuels are ethanol blended across our nation, but some state laws do not require the pumps to be labeled stating that the fuel has up to 10% ethanol. It is either ethanol or MTBE and the EPA found that the MTBE was contaminating drinking supplies by leaking into the ground.

The EPA wanting to increase the blend to 15% ethanol
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you will start seeing it at every pump, eventually. When the EPA mandated ethanol blended fuel they only mandated it in high pollution regions. however, they are wanting to extend that mandate to ALL regions. Some fuels already have the ethanol blended in and it is estimated that nearly 85% of fuels are ethanol blended across our nation, but some state laws do not require the pumps to be labeled stating that the fuel has up to 10% ethanol. It is either ethanol or MTBE and the EPA found that the MTBE was contaminating drinking supplies by leaking into the ground.

The EPA wanting to increase the blend to 15% ethanol

I heard about that.........FUCK the EPA.

This shit is getting getting out of control. As most people are aware, even small amounts of ethanol are DEATH sentences for older cars as you should see the havoc it is wreaking on their carbeurators and fuel lines. It is also going to shorten the life of vehicles that arn't designated as flex fuel vehicles as normal automotive components wern't designed to run with so much ethanol. It also severely fucks up your fuel economy as even my hybrid sees a significant hit when running fuel with 10% ethanol.

What most people arn't aware are the farming special interests who are behind this movement. I believe that it is a sin to grow food for the sole purpose of creating fuel. We have seen that dedicating farms to growing nothing but corn is wreaking environmental havoc that many scientists now agree is far worse than just running straight petrol. There was an article back in 2005 that was showing how the pressure to continue growing as much corn as possible was causing our soil to suffer severe decline, thus requiring heavier and heavier uses of chemical fertilizers. We now know that the pollution from burning ethanol is arguably far worse as some of the byproducts are carcinogens such as formaldehyde. It just doesn't produce the type of particles that create smog, but vehicles are already running 95% cleaner than they were 15 years ago.

I just want to ask our government sometimes, WTF is your problem?

Biodiesel also poses severe problems, but at least that is environmentally better as legumes don't deplete the soil like corn does.
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Another thing people dont realize is that we dont have enough corn crop in the u.s. To supply both the food industry and fuel industry. We are gonna have to import one or the other...either corn for eating or fuel...whixh would u prefer
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Another thing people dont realize is that we dont have enough corn crop in the u.s. To supply both the food industry and fuel industry. We are gonna have to import one or the other...either corn for eating or fuel...whixh would u prefer
Yeah, and the farming special interests are working overtime in both America and Europe to get the governments to mandate booze percentages in the petrol blend. The politicians who recieve campaign donations use the excuse that it will help reduce our demand for foreign oil because they seem to hate oil companies so much for having the audacity to charge some of the smallest profit margins of all industries(Google on the other hand makes profit margins of over 25%). In the end, consumers get screwed because they get stuck with a final product that costs more, causes more maintenance problems, and gets worse fuel economy. I find it apalling how badly ethanol production is being subsizied with our tax dollars, especially E85.
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You know, here in Florida late last year, the state had a drop in tax revenue from gasoline sales. So, they were frantic about how people were using less gas as more fuel effecient vehicles become available to consumers. So they started brainstorming how they could keep fuel tax revenue up. Their answer was to start taxing consumers by the mile, rather than by the gallon. They wanted to have GPS units installed into vehicles...when you filled up it would tax you on the miles you drove!!! I haven't heard anything more about the idea since I read the article in the tribune, but either way it is absolutely absurd.
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You know, here in Florida late last year, the state had a drop in tax revenue from gasoline sales. So, they were frantic about how people were using less gas as more fuel effecient vehicles become available to consumers. So they started brainstorming how they could keep fuel tax revenue up. Their answer was to start taxing consumers by the mile, rather than by the gallon. They wanted to have GPS units installed into vehicles...when you filled up it would tax you on the miles you drove!!! I haven't heard anything more about the idea since I read the article in the tribune, but either way it is absolutely absurd.
Quite a few states are actually looking into that possibility as Missouri wants it as well. What I find apalling though is how plug in electric vehicles will allow for the legalization of tax evasion since those vehicles can plug in at home. They will essentially be able to drive on the roads that WE pay for with our fuel taxes, without contributing to the highway trust themselves. I have a feeling that as a result of this, politicians in the coming years are going to try to make a more serious push to try to tax people by the mile. Tax tax tax is all we hear about and it is getting out of control.
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My problem with Hybrid vehicles is their prices and the fact that the real population of this country simply cannot afford them. What we save in fuel costs we simply pay in loan payments. What is appealing in buying a more fuel effecient car to the average American (I'm talking about people who make less than say $55,000 a year) that they would buy one to save $50 a month on gas, but spend $200 more on loan payments.

Maybe I am side tracking this thread and I'm sorry for doing so...

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