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Old 02-16-2010, 02:56 PM   #16  
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With all due respect, you are about as useful here as the guy who tried to get everyone to buy mopeds... I will buy what I want...thanks
Hey relax buddy! Emil is a diehard Ford fan, and is almost as much of a Ford fan as I am. For many of us, the cars are not just a hobby, but our passion as well. We tend to express our love for our favorite cars in ways many non-car enthusiasts understand. For instance, you will never be able to walk into a Chevy forum or a Dudge Ram forum without encountering the same type of enthusiasm for their stuff.

I am at least glad that your Honda Accord was made here in Marysville OH. Helps the OH economy, and Marysville is actually a pretty nice little town as i've travelled through there before.

I kind of want that moped loving guy back as this car forum has gotten dull without him. Didn't he live in Wisconsin or MN? I wonder how his moped is serving him now.
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Old 02-16-2010, 10:51 PM   #17  
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Heh a girl on my job today was saying how she and her family buy nothing but fords. Of course I had to make some fixed or repaired daily and found on the road dead jokes I never understand how ppl get so loyal to car companies. You see the vehicle sticker of some kid p*ssing on a ford if chevy fanboy of vice versa if a ford fan. Cracks me up seeing that

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Hey relax buddy! Emil is a diehard Ford fan, and is almost as much of a Ford fan as I am. For many of us, the cars are not just a hobby, but our passion as well. We tend to express our love for our favorite cars in ways many non-car enthusiasts understand. For instance, you will never be able to walk into a Chevy forum or a Dudge Ram forum without encountering the same type of enthusiasm for their stuff.

I am at least glad that your Honda Accord was made here in Marysville OH. Helps the OH economy, and Marysville is actually a pretty nice little town as i've travelled through there before.

I kind of want that moped loving guy back as this car forum has gotten dull without him. Didn't he live in Wisconsin or MN? I wonder how his moped is serving him now.
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Old 02-16-2010, 11:21 PM   #18  
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Heh a girl on my job today was saying how she and her family buy nothing but fords. Of course I had to make some fixed or repaired daily and found on the road dead jokes I never understand how ppl get so loyal to car companies. You see the vehicle sticker of some kid p*ssing on a ford if chevy fanboy of vice versa if a ford fan. Cracks me up seeing that
Well, some people really fall into love with something and choose to make it their passion. That is likely why the Sony Defense Force exists, or the ricers who buzz around town thinking Honda was the best thing since sliced bread. Honda makes good cars, but Ford makes better IMHO.

I have decided to make Ford my passion a long time ago, and it mainly has to do with how they build vehicles that really relate to me. I hated Ford under Bill Clay Ford's tenure as I thought he was seriously screwing things up, and i'm so glad to see that Alan Mulally is fixing up everything and putting Ford back onto the right path.

I like Honda's, but like Ford even more. After all, noone makes a pony car better than Ford, and that new Mustang is going to be sweet. If you are really afraid to take on a all new car, the interesting thing to note is that you could always wait a few months after release and purchase a mid model year production run vehicle.
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Old 02-17-2010, 07:06 AM   #19  
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I never understand how ppl get so loyal to car companies.
It's just like people can get loyal to sports teams.
Some grow up around sports, some grow up hanging around in the alley working on cars.
Some have pride in other areas and will defend it.
People are not lesser human beings if they disagree with your viewpoint, they should not be treated that way.

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Old 02-17-2010, 04:37 PM   #20  
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Holy hell, a v6 mustang whose exhaust note doesn't sound like flatulence. Pretty awesome


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It is hard to imagine that this motor will also have a redline at 7000rpms. Hard to imagine since we all know that the old Cologne 4.0 litre SOHC engine wasn't exactly the most modern engine in production.
Not too hard to imagine, the ford v6 always suffered from a crap head design. Hell the old 3.8 litre v6 mustang put out a whopping 150 horsepower ( ) and once they changed it up to split ports it jumped to 200. Variable valve timing and all that is exactly what they needed to put some step in the old pony car.

And I'll be looking forward to a v6 mustang that can actually pull all the way to red line
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Holy hell, a v6 mustang whose exhaust note doesn't sound like flatulence. Pretty awesome




Not too hard to imagine, the ford v6 always suffered from a crap head design. Hell the old 3.8 litre v6 mustang put out a whopping 150 horsepower ( ) and once they changed it up to split ports it jumped to 200. Variable valve timing and all that is exactly what they needed to put some step in the old pony car.

And I'll be looking forward to a v6 mustang that can actually pull all the way to red line
Well, all of that is understandable considering that the old 4.0 litre SOHC motor has been around virtually unchanged for over 40 years. It is going to be interesting when these 2011's do come out as this is going to be one mean motor. Ford is doing all of this without the use of direct injection, which means that output will likely go up even more at some point in the future. However, I can't wait to hear what the new GT's are going to sound like with the new 5.0.

To be fair, those old 3.8's were more or less tuned for producing massive torque at very low rpms. If I remember correctly, the old 3.8's might have only made 145 or 150hp, but they were making peak torque at 2200rpms.
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To be fair, those old 3.8's were more or less tuned for producing massive torque at very low rpms. If I remember correctly, the old 3.8's might have only made 145 or 150hp, but they were making peak torque at 2200rpms.
I'm pretty sure they were 145hp and 235ft/lb torque.
That torque number was good back then, nowadays its so so.

Had one in a Taurus LX wagon. It was a really nice car and drove really well. My wife and I loved it.
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I 'm in the process of selling my '08 GT so I can save some cash for an 2011 or 2012 5.0 GT. That's gonna be one bad mofo...
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To be fair, those old 3.8's were more or less tuned for producing massive torque at very low rpms. If I remember correctly, the old 3.8's might have only made 145 or 150hp, but they were making peak torque at 2200rpms.
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I'm pretty sure they were 145hp and 235ft/lb torque.
That torque number was good back then, nowadays its so so.

Had one in a Taurus LX wagon. It was a really nice car and drove really well. My wife and I loved it.
I still drive an old 96 v6 mustang around, with all of it's 150 hp glory.
It does drive well, plenty of bottom end to drive pretty casually. It's just unfortunate when it's lack of top end and crap gearing allows minivans, geo metro's and riding lawn mowers to leave me in the dust
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I still drive an old 96 v6 mustang around, with all of it's 150 hp glory.
It does drive well, plenty of bottom end to drive pretty casually. It's just unfortunate when it's lack of top end and crap gearing allows minivans, geo metro's and riding lawn mowers to leave me in the dust

I'm really glad that Ford is vastly improving the V6's. It's been the workhorse of the stable. There wouldn't be Mustang GT's without the overwhelming sales of V6's to make it possible.
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I still drive an old 96 v6 mustang around, with all of it's 150 hp glory.
It does drive well, plenty of bottom end to drive pretty casually. It's just unfortunate when it's lack of top end and crap gearing allows minivans, geo metro's and riding lawn mowers to leave me in the dust


Out of curiosity, have you blown any head gaskets on your 3.8? Those 3.8's used to be notorious for that problem as it was estimated that nearly 20% of all 3.8's were blowing head gaskets.

As for performance, you should take your vehicle to Kenny Brown Performance over in Indianapolis as they used to do a lot of work with V6 mustangs. For the price of what they can do, of course you could buy a new Mustang! http://www.kennybrown.com
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Out of curiosity, have you blown any head gaskets on your 3.8? Those 3.8's used to be notorious for that problem as it was estimated that nearly 20% of all 3.8's were blowing head gaskets.

As for performance, you should take your vehicle to Kenny Brown Performance over in Indianapolis as they used to do a lot of work with V6 mustangs. For the price of what they can do, of course you could buy a new Mustang! http://www.kennybrown.com
Indeed I did have one blow. There was a recall or factory service bulletin for the v6 head gaskets, but mine blew after the offer ended. I just tore the engine apart and replaced the head gaskets, water pump, hoses and radiator two years ago and it's been running fine since. I was considering a split port head swap on it but decided that spending 50% of what I spent on the car wasn't worth the 50'ish horses.

As to v6 performance... no thanks
Cali rules are too restrictive for anything creating 'real' power on these things, and dumping $$ in a v6 is just backwards when I could just buy a GT.
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Indeed I did have one blow. There was a recall or factory service bulletin for the v6 head gaskets, but mine blew after the offer ended. I just tore the engine apart and replaced the head gaskets, water pump, hoses and radiator two years ago and it's been running fine since. I was considering a split port head swap on it but decided that spending 50% of what I spent on the car wasn't worth the 50'ish horses.

As to v6 performance... no thanks
Cali rules are too restrictive for anything creating 'real' power on these things, and dumping $$ in a v6 is just backwards when I could just buy a GT.
When you consider a split port head swap, you would literally be adding 33% more power to your current vehicle. That should allow you to achieve 0-60 times solidly in the mid 6 second range.

The problem though would be getting an aftermarket tune which can be problematic in nazi states like California. Even then, you have to deal with the crap Cali-RFG garbage fuel that really is pure garbage.
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Just get a dry nitrous kit and be done with it .
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