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Old 10-13-2010, 02:02 PM   #46  
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and I have to admit that the blower whine is cool until you start getting tired of it.
Can never get tired of the whine!

But gotta love a diesel turbo whoosh too!
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Can never get tired of the whine!

But gotta love a diesel turbo whoosh too!
I was really hoping that Ford was going to get serious about making a diesel, but that doesn't seem to be the case as they have abandoned all rumored diesel projects for their line of cars and light suv's. Oh well, i'll still take their Ecoboost engines as they are still impressive.
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See, that makes me nervous as hell because i'm not sure the new 5.0 is designed to handle forced induction very well. I guess time will tell, but the 5.0 has actually been out for a while. I saw one last week and I was honestly a bit disappointed as they don't sound as good as the previous Ford v8's have sounded. It seems like the more technologically advanced a v8 becomes, the less it sounds like a traditional v8.
A DOHC doesn't sound like an old cam in block pushrod engine? Of course not! Yeah... it doesn't have the 'grumpy' offbeat growl, but it still sounds good.

As for it taking boost... well I wouldn't worry too much. Major engine pieces are forged steel, and the pistons got oil squirters under them to cool off a bit more. Only thing I see that I think will limit boost is that 11:1 compression ratio. Only time will tell though.

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Maybe we need a poll, whoosh or whine !

Old guys whine, young guys whoosh ?
I like both personally.
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Old 10-14-2010, 12:36 PM   #49  
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My 01 SVT Cobra was that 4.6 litre DOHC v8 and it sounded unbelievable. It is honestly one of the best sounding Mustangs i've ever heard. It had that grumpy offbeat growl. I'll give you some examples

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A DOHC doesn't sound like an old cam in block pushrod engine? Of course not! Yeah... it doesn't have the 'grumpy' offbeat growl, but it still sounds good.

As for it taking boost... well I wouldn't worry too much. Major engine pieces are forged steel, and the pistons got oil squirters under them to cool off a bit more. Only thing I see that I think will limit boost is that 11:1 compression ratio. Only time will tell though.



I like both personally.
What I like about turbos is how efficient they can be. Superchargers add parasitic losses because they are belt driven and require power to make power. Turbos because they use exhaust gases to drive the impeller blades, can yield very impressive fuel economy IF you stay out of boost.
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What I like about turbos is how efficient they can be. Superchargers add parasitic losses because they are belt driven and require power to make power. Turbos because they use exhaust gases to drive the impeller blades, can yield very impressive fuel economy IF you stay out of boost.
I like the Sc for daily drivin' though, instantaneous torque!

Turbos make more sense for maxium power however.
That's why some guys swap out the sc for turbos on the termi's.
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What I like about turbos is how efficient they can be. Superchargers add parasitic losses because they are belt driven and require power to make power. Turbos because they use exhaust gases to drive the impeller blades, can yield very impressive fuel economy IF you stay out of boost.
Eh... they both have their places. It's all in what you want.
I personally like superchargers for street cars. A supercharger pretty much enhances the stock powerband, a turbo typically alters it. For a smooth predictable power delivery in a street car that has to deal with traffic and not outright power creation a supercharger fits the bill.

That said I also love outrageous amounts of boost being pushed through a turbo
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I like the Sc for daily drivin' though, instantaneous torque!

Turbos make more sense for maxium power however.
That's why some guys swap out the sc for turbos on the termi's.
Actually that is a misconception that superchargers all generate instant torque, when it is mostly the roots type blowers like the Eaton M112 in the Termis and Lightnings that generate it down low. There are others like the aftermarket centrifugal which actually generate boost and thus peak torque depending on engine speed. Those can be rather weak at lower rpms.

Turbo lag is virtually eliminated when you size a vehicle with the right size turbos. I remember that the SVT Lightnings generated peak torque of 450lb-ft of torque at around 2200. If you think that is impressive, a Ford Taurus SHO with the Ecoboost twin turbo generates peak torque at 1500rpms!

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Eh... they both have their places. It's all in what you want.
I personally like superchargers for street cars. A supercharger pretty much enhances the stock powerband, a turbo typically alters it. For a smooth predictable power delivery in a street car that has to deal with traffic and not outright power creation a supercharger fits the bill.

That said I also love outrageous amounts of boost being pushed through a turbo
I think the days of laggy turbos that felt like an on/off switch are over. I have not had a chance to drive one, but it is sounding like Ford's ecoboost setups are turbos that are finally done right. There have been no complaints about turbo lag or rubber bandy like torque curves from any reviews i've read so far. By comparison, the VW Jetta TDI I test drove before buying my Fusion Hybrid felt like the turbo was an on/off switch. If you want to drive in traffic, just drive like a normal person anyway as we are not talking about the turbos of the old days.
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The beauty of a centrifugal is that it's the easiest to bolt on but it really acts like a turbo instead of a sc..
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The beauty of a centrifugal is that it's the easiest to bolt on but it really acts like a turbo instead of a sc..
The problem is that centrifugal superchargers are still unable to produce peak boost until you reach the engine's peak speed. This can be a problem as it means there is very little boost available at lower engine speeds.

While turbos are complex and require significant changes to the exhaust, they are generally capable of producing peak torque much earlier in the powerband. In the case of Ford's Ecoboost applications, they produce peak engine torque as early as 1500 rpms. If I read correctly about how Mazda does things, those turbocharged Mazdaspeed vehicles produce peak torque as early as 3000rpms.

Back when I was still into performance stuff, I have seen the dynocharts of both vehicles modded with aftermarket turbos, roots type blowers, and centrifugal blowers. Centrifugal setups just can't compete with the roots type and turbocharged setups when the turbos are properly fitted. Granted aftermarket turbo setups are definately not for people who arn't capable of dealing with the drivability changes, but that is why I think Ford has definately nailed the turbocharged engine market with how they are implementing their Ecoboost engines.
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The problem is that centrifugal superchargers are still unable to produce peak boost until you reach the engine's peak speed. This can be a problem as it means there is very little boost available at lower engine speeds.

While turbos are complex and require significant changes to the exhaust, they are generally capable of producing peak torque much earlier in the powerband. In the case of Ford's Ecoboost applications, they produce peak engine torque as early as 1500 rpms. If I read correctly about how Mazda does things, those turbocharged Mazdaspeed vehicles produce peak torque as early as 3000rpms.

Back when I was still into performance stuff, I have seen the dynocharts of both vehicles modded with aftermarket turbos, roots type blowers, and centrifugal blowers. Centrifugal setups just can't compete with the roots type and turbocharged setups when the turbos are properly fitted. Granted aftermarket turbo setups are definately not for people who arn't capable of dealing with the drivability changes, but that is why I think Ford has definately nailed the turbocharged engine market with how they are implementing their Ecoboost engines.
Just look at how much boost a diesel can get at at < 2000rpm!
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Just look at how much boost a diesel can get at at < 2000rpm!
Those new turbo Powerstroke diesels in the new 2011 Superduties are indeed incredible. I havn't had a chance to read any reviews on them yet, but hope one of the car magazines do it soon.

When I saw the specs on the new Powerstroke, it was just unbelievable. [email protected], and 800lb-ft of [email protected]


If I had $58k for a pickup truck and needed one, I can tell you right now that I would pick up one of these F250 Lariat Crew Cabs with this diesel motor. However I don't have $58k and I don't need a truck at this point in my life
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You can probably pick one up for around 50K though .
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You can probably pick one up for around 50K though .
That's not how I roll unfortunately. When I buy a car, I generally buy it completely loaded with everything possible. I like options, and i'll downgrade to a smaller car if I need to in order to get it equipped the way I like it. The new Powerstroke is also an incredibly expensive option as I believe it is more than $8000.

After I abandoned purchasing a Jetta TDI Sportwagon due to it being $28-29k loaded, but still not being available with leather or power seats, I did look at the new Taurus before deciding on my Fusion Hybrid. I absolutely love the new Taurus, but we are talking about it costing over $35k with it loaded the way I wanted it. That combined with the incredibly fuel economy made the decision easy. I still can't believe that i'm averaging 41-44mpg right now in a 3800lb mid size sedan with functionality of a mid size sedan!
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I still can't believe that i'm averaging 41-44mpg right now in a 3800lb mid size sedan with functionality of a mid size sedan!
Wow, that is incredible!
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Wow, that is incredible!
Yeah, the beauty of these Fusion hybrids is that they get as good or bad fuel economy as you want them to. These averages of 41-44mpg are with normal driving as I don't believe in hypermiling. Hypermilers are some of the most selfish and annoying POS on the road today. When I want to start driving aggressively, the fuel economy does dip into the lower 30's, but that's normal. My last aggressive drive was a few weeks ago early in the morning where I did a 10 mile drive on the highway at 90-95mpg. The highway was empty at 3:30am and it just felt good for some reason. At the end of the 10 miles, fuel economy was still at 31mpg.
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