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Old 12-01-2009, 07:48 PM   #16  
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Perhaps it is possible that they are holding those iconic symbols in reserve for use on a future version. I think the last thing they want to do is bring in their big name icons in too quickly and end up doing what Dudge did with the R/T badge or GM did to the SS badge.
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Perhaps it is possible that they are holding those iconic symbols in reserve for use on a future version. I think the last thing they want to do is bring in their big name icons in too quickly and end up doing what Dudge did with the R/T badge or GM did to the SS badge.
Challanger R/T seems to have worked out very nicely for them. And of course the Hemi Challanger.

Ford went as far as releasing the Bullitt Mustang which IMO was about as pathetic a release as you could get.

Whatever happened to the Mach 1?

IMO - if you are going to retro style a pony car back to the 1960's - then at least use the iconic names that were used back then. If possible. Boss 429 is going to be a toughie.
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Perhaps it is possible that they are holding those iconic symbols in reserve for use on a future version. I think the last thing they want to do is bring in their big name icons in too quickly and end up doing what Dudge did with the R/T badge or GM did to the SS badge.
Actually IMHO the R/T and SS badges right now represent pretty much what they did back in the late 60's, top of the line performance but with one more extreme above it like SRT, Z28 and probably Boss.

Z28's and Boss's were not the quickest of the lineup however since they where based off the Trans Am series which had a 5.0 liter limit but for their displacement they were the highest performers. Handling was also a factor too.
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IMO - if you are going to retro style a pony car back to the 1960's - then at least use the iconic names that were used back then. If possible. Boss 429 is going to be a toughie.
They could make one with 429 HP, or maybe 429 feet between buildings or something. Think GT 350.
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That is true that the R/T and SS badges do mean something once again, but do they really? There is SRT8, but even the Dudge R/T badge is being put on a vehicle that is rather ordinary. Sure it currently strikes the balance between the SRT8 and the base Challenger, but it isn't anything special as it is using the same run of the mill engine that has been used for a while now.

There is the Camara SS these days, but it is going to take more than a single vehicle to restore respect to it after what they did to it for a long time.

Maybe Ford is reserving the Boss badge for the next Mustang Cobra? After all, it is going to have to be outrageous and they will need something new for SVT as the Shelby thing has been used for a few years now.
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I have a hard time believing the V6 gets 31mpg highway. What is that down hill ? I'm guessing here but they must be turning off 3 cylinders while going down hill without the A/C on and probably only @ 55mph or something.

I have a 1988 LX Hatchback with a 2.8L 4 cylinder with a 5 speed manual and 16" pony rims 245/60/16 BFG's and I know my car sits lower than the new 2011 and I would thing it's more aerodynamic and I only get 30 mpg highway with it.

I wish they put a 2.3 liter 4 cylinder in the new stangs so I could get 35 plus MPG highway and then after I put a 100,000 miles or so on it I could pull the drivetrain and put a 460 based 557ci big block ford in there from the money I saved in gas. I don't want to pay $50,000 dollars for a specialty built car from the aftermarket guys like Roush and others when I could build it the way I want and make it look like I want.

I heard they are going to making a 427ci Mustang but it won't be street legal or even have serial numbers, screw that, when I could build something better myself for less and it would be street legal in some states.
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I have a hard time believing the V6 gets 31mpg highway. What is that down hill ? I'm guessing here but they must be turning off 3 cylinders while going down hill without the A/C on and probably only @ 55mph or something.
I don't find that difficult of a time believing it.
I have a 96 v6 mustang with over 170k miles on it and it still averages 25-27 MPG to this day.
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I don't find that difficult of a time believing it.
I have a 96 v6 mustang with over 170k miles on it and it still averages 25-27 MPG to this day.
For sure. The new v6s are miles away from the Fox 4 cyl engines. There is a tremendous difference in the reduction in friction inside the engine between the two. Overhead cams with roller rockers is a tremendous improvement as one example. It adds HP potential without reducing the mpg by increasing engine efficiency. Also the added gears will contribute to the mpg, just like overdrive transmissions did. They allow lower gearing for pickup from a stoplight yet taller gears for highway use. There are quite a bit of difference between an '88 4 cyl and a 2010 6 cyl Mustang and it shows.
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For sure. The new v6s are miles away from the Fox 4 cyl engines. There is a tremendous difference in the reduction in friction inside the engine between the two. Overhead cams with roller rockers is a tremendous improvement as one example. It adds HP potential without reducing the mpg by increasing engine efficiency. Also the added gears will contribute to the mpg, just like overdrive transmissions did. They allow lower gearing for pickup from a stoplight yet taller gears for highway use. There are quite a bit of difference between an '88 4 cyl and a 2010 6 cyl Mustang and it shows.
Not to mention Ti-VCT:
http://media.ford.com/images/10031/2...tang_TiVCT.pdf
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I believe both Road and Track and Car and Driver have a pretty good writeup about the technology of Ford's new Duratec 37 and Coyote 5.0 in the Mustang. It was in one of the issues that came out in the last 3 months. I just got done reading all of it while waiting at the dentist's office. Gives you a really good insight into how Ford was able to generate so much power, and yet maintain such good fuel economy. This isn't hard to believe considering that modern vehicles are getting more fuel efficient every generation. My dad is getting 33mpg from his Ford Fusion S, and i'm getting 41-44mpg from my Fusion Hybrid right now.
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The 2.8L is an over the head engine and it doesn't even have rocker arms.

I'm sure they have made improvements as stated, I understand but in days of high gas prices one would think FORD would offer a budget minded Mustang with a really small 4 cylinder like a 1.8 - 2.2L that doesn't make much power but gets 40 mpg.

Nothing but A/C, no power steering, no power brakes, crank up windows and an AM-FM stereo. Sell them starting at $13.988 and they will sell alot more cars. I don't want to buy a little Focus, I want a Mustang that gets great mileage.

I don't like the 2011 over the 2005-2009 anyways. They made the front look good but they screwed up the looks of the back of the car.

I was hoping when they made a body change it would of looked more like the 67-68 Mustang as the 2005-2009 looks like a 64-66 Mustangs, they failed at that with this similar but different 2011 model.

Then they could of came out 4 or 5 years later with something that looked like the 69-70 model for five years or so and moved on to something that looked like the 71-73 Mustangs for five years or so.

I'm going to find me a deal on a 2005-2009 Stang one of these days, preferably not a frontend damaged one and build me a retro looking A/FX type Mustang with a Roots blown 557ci BBF and a 4 speed lenco. 9 inch rear slightly narrowed and 31x12.50 M/T ET Streets. I think the old A/FXers only ran on a true 10" inch wide slick. I like Pro Street cars, don't get me wrong, 18" inch wide tires look great but I'm into retro.

I can keep the 1988 running for another 30 years so if Ford want to sell me a new Mustang, they need to bring the prices down by making a no bells and whisles model.
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one would think FORD would offer a budget minded Mustang with a really small 4 cylinder like a 1.8 - 2.2L that doesn't make much power but gets 40 mpg.


Dude, you are grounded. No TV, No telephone, and No internet..............

Ford already has a Fusion Hybrid that gets 41mpg, and offers a Ford Fiesta that gets 40mpg now. Next year's Focus is also rumored to be getting as high as 37-38mpg. Ford tried offering a super fuel efficient Mustang a long time ago. It was a disaster.
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I'm sure they have made improvements as stated, I understand but in days of high gas prices one would think FORD would offer a budget minded Mustang with a really small 4 cylinder like a 1.8 - 2.2L that doesn't make much power but gets 40 mpg.

Ford already did silly stuff like that to the Mustang when they put pony badges on Pintos.
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If you are talking about 1974-78, it wasn't because they made the Mustang fuel efficient and sells dropped, it was because the 74-78 Mustangs were ugly and thats why sales sucked, people opted to buy a used 71-73 instead.

If you look at sales of Mustangs in 1988, I'll bet they sold just as many or maybe even more 4 cyl stangs than 8 cylinder ones.

I don't want to drive a Fiesta or Fusion, I want to drive a new Mustang with a 4 cylinder. The 2.8L engine is a good little engine and it can be modified to make serious horsepower as well. I have seen a couple turbo 4 cylinder run high 8's low 9's around 150 mph at the dragstrip. :
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So how many mpg do you plan on picking up swapping the 3.7 for a 2.8? 2 mpg, maybe? Many people will probably get worst mileage since they'll be in the gas with the 4 banger trying to look like a sports car.
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