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Old 09-09-2009, 03:44 PM   #16  
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Not as trouble free as the competition, especially Toyota and Honda.
VW is trying hard to climb the reliability list. Two of my friends that own VWs, a 2008 GTI and a 2006 Jetta that is loaded are really happy with their cars and are both repeat owners.

I really think the Jetta TDI Turbo Diesel is a stand out sedan and is a hybrid beater. The TDI also has a $1300 Fed tax rebate until the end of the year.

I agree with you that nothing is as reliable as the Hondas and Toyota / Scions.

I have some out there cars myself and I have a lot of respect for the over 15 year old Japanese cars that top the list of most stolen here in Las Vegas. It proves that people still have them on the road.
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VW is trying hard to climb the reliability list. Two of my friends that own VWs, a 2008 GTI and a 2006 Jetta that is loaded are really happy with their cars and are both repeat owners.

I really think the Jetta TDI Turbo Diesel is a stand out sedan and is a hybrid beater. The TDI also has a $1300 Fed tax rebate until the end of the year.

I agree with you that nothing is as reliable as the Hondas and Toyota / Scions.

I have some out there cars myself and I have a lot of respect for the over 15 year old Japanese cars that top the list of most stolen here in Las Vegas. It proves that people still have them on the road.
I think the VWs are great driving cars, of course they have lots of competition too.
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Interesting..I was telling my bro that I liked the altima coupe more than the maxima, altho max is hyped as the "better" car. It just has a much better look to it. The problem is the V6 altima coupe costs about the same as a maxima. I see nissan is now offering 60 months no interest on the maxima. mitsubishi is offering 72 monts 0 interest on any of their cars. the eclipse spyder looks nice. I question its long term reliability. But it does offer a better warranty than maxima: 5yr/50k bumper to bumper, 10y/100k power train vs 3yr/36k b2b and 5yr/60k power train. eclipse also offers 7-year/100,000 mile anti-corrosion/perforation warranty and 5-years/unlimited miles roadside assistance. According to JD Powers surprisingly both cars have weak reliability ratings, 4/10.

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1) Honda Accord -- Coupe
2) Nissan Altima -- Coupe
3) Nissam Maxima
4) Mazda 6
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According to JD Powers surprisingly both cars have weak reliability ratings, 4/10.
It's surprising because we have been brainwashed to think foreign cars are perfect, they aren't.
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It's surprising because we have been brainwashed to think foreign cars are perfect, they aren't.
What do you mean 'we'?
"Foreign cars" includes a whole bunch. Japanese overall are the most reliable. I don't think anyone claimed they were perfect. It is all relative. Of the Japanese, Mazda is on the lower end, as is Mitsubishi (Eclipse Spyder, etc.). Lowest is Isuzu for reliability.

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What do you mean 'we'?
The public.
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Japanese overall are the most reliable.
By how much?
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Old 09-10-2009, 04:16 PM   #22  
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if you do decide to get the mustang, see if you have any friends who have x-pins. The x-pin gives you a pretty good discount. I know my workplace has an x-pin plan with Ford and I think it's somewhere like up to $3k off the sticker price of any Ford vehicle.

I myself would probably get a toyota or honda or nissan. My workplace also gives a discount on nissan. I would only go with a Ford if I won a mustang like on The Price Is Right.

Import cars generally are more reliable. They just happened to establish that image in the 80's and 90's. Domestic cars became appealing for their power but reliability was non-existent. Only now are they trying to catch up with the Big Import 3...although the Focus and Fusion seem to be pretty stable.
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GM is giving a 60 day no questions asked trial.

I'm sure there are many restrictions but it may work out for ya.

Even though Pontiac is gone you may be able to pick up a G6 which is a very good car also.
I'm sure service will be handled by another GM division.
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The public.

By how much?
Consumer reports has the most convenient statistics. You can also go to NHTSA and look up various issues for all makes and models and make up your own mind.
I've seen data over the years, plus cars I've owned myself as well as friends and family and independent mechanics, to arrive at my conclusions. The only thing that has changed in the last decade (IMO) is American models have steadily improved.
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Consumer reports has the most convenient statistics. You can also go to NHTSA and look up various issues for all makes and models and make up your own mind.
I've seen data over the years, plus cars I've owned myself as well as friends and family and independent mechanics, to arrive at my conclusions. The only thing that has changed in the last decade (IMO) is American models have steadily improved.
Never been a fan of Consumer Reports, just thought offhand someone would know.

Sorry, I'm "Buy American" biased!!!
I've had a bunch of small Fords since 1976, I got 138K to 176K out of them with minimal issues. We also had a Dodge Cummins with 325K.
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Never been a fan of Consumer Reports, just thought offhand someone would know.

Sorry, I'm "Buy American" biased!!!
I've had a bunch of small Fords since 1976, I got 138K to 176K out of them with minimal issues. We also had a Dodge Cummins with 325K.
That's all good, and I've known of a few over the years with similar experiences.
I've not been a big fan of CR when it comes to how they do some reviews. But their reliability figures are based on experiences of tens of thousands of subscribers over the years of all makes and models. Same goes with all their reliability stats.
That seems kind of solid data to me, what else would you have them do?
It also seems they have been making more recommendations of American cars in recent years.

I offered other sources, but some maybe you don't trust the National Highway Traffic Safety Association either.
Of course, statistics are just that, and I am sure you could find some (or someone) who will support your own ideas.
Just like reviews, the ones most people like are the ones they agree with.

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hate to point this out but, Honda is considered by the Federal government as a domestic carmaker since almost all of their models are made here, including assembly and parts and have been since the mid 1980s.

In fact, they've been the larget exporter from the US overseas of any domestic manufacturer.
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hate to point this out but, Honda is considered by the Federal government as a domestic carmaker since almost all of their models are made here, including assembly and parts and have been since the mid 1980s.

In fact, they've been the larget exporter from the US overseas of any domestic manufacturer.
I work for a division of a larger corporation. Everything we do is to provide profit for the larger corporation. Fortunately the corporation resides in the US.
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Of course, the UAW calls Honda and Toyota un-American and evil because they don't employ UAW employees.
To me, not contributing to the UAW might a good reason to buy an import. At least American sales, advertising, distribution, mechanics, and American assemblers still benefit when you buy foreign cars. Not to mention a percentage of American parts manufacturers.
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To me, not contributing to the UAW might a good reason to buy an import.
I tend to agree with you on this one.
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