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Old 08-25-2009, 07:14 AM   #1  
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Hyundai-Kia overtakes Ford to become world's 4th largest automaker

I've rented a couple of Sonatas on trips and was impressed with them. Fit and finish was very good and the performance was acceptable, so I'm not that surprised. Disappointed but not surprised.
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Amazing yet they are throw away cars...
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I think the Kias are about as good as the Japanese cars now from what I have read.

I do wonder if this Korean car mfg has the same issues the Korean electronics mfg have though.
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I think the Kias are about as good as the Japanese cars now from what I have read.

I do wonder if this Korean car mfg has the same issues the Korean electronics mfg have though.
What are those?
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I think the Kias are about as good as the Japanese cars now from what I have read.
That is funny. Their new slogan, "Kia: As good as a Honda"

Next, they will take over NASCAR. . . and Indy Series engines too!

I like those Indian (like in India, not Oklahoma) cars: Land Rover and Jaguar.
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What are those?
some of the korean manufacturers are:
samsung, LG, Hyundai, Daewoo
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What are those?
Reliability levels mostly. They do not seem to be as reliable as the Japanese designed consumer electronics.
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Reliability levels mostly. They do not seem to be as reliable as the Japanese designed consumer electronics.
I guess that is why the people of South Korea enjoy the fastest internet speeds in the world-- quite a bit faster than Japan, and quadruple that of the USA.
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Reliability levels mostly. They do not seem to be as reliable as the Japanese designed consumer electronics.
In the auto industry they (Korean cars) are known as "fall aparts".
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In the auto industry they (Korean cars) are known as "fall aparts".
That's what was said about the Japanese autos when they first showed up in the USA. Somehow history showed it was just marketing hype. Methinks history will repeat.
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That's what was said about the Japanese autos when they first showed up in the USA. Somehow history showed it was just marketing hype. Methinks history will repeat.
Japanese are the most reliable, like it or not. The numbers don't lie, neither do the faithful customers.
GM, etc. have not as faithful customers since the 50's & 60's.
I live in a rural areas and know a fair amount of farmers happy with their old American trucks. 'Old' is the operative word.
I think the Koreans are on their heels also. They seem to be following the 'Japanese model' which obviously will underscore their success.
American automakers could make the best automobile ever, including the most reliable, and it would be too little too late, I'm afraid.
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I guess that is why the people of South Korea enjoy the fastest internet speeds in the world-- quite a bit faster than Japan, and quadruple that of the USA.
What does a very small country having fast internet access to do with reliability in CE products?

From the years i have been reading the forums (and owning 1 Samsung HDTV & 6 LG HDTVs), it seems that the Korean CE products have more issues and are less reliable than the comparable Japanese CE products.

No question the Koreans are improving on cars and seem to be following the Japanese model of build quality, and seem to be catching them. It is 2-3 years later that I am concerned about.
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What does a very small country having fast internet access to do with reliability in CE products?

From the years i have been reading the forums (and owning 1 Samsung HDTV & 6 LG HDTVs), it seems that the Korean CE products have more issues and are less reliable than the comparable Japanese CE products.

No question the Koreans are improving on cars and seem to be following the Japanese model of build quality, and seem to be catching them. It is 2-3 years later that I am concerned about.
I see a lot of Hyundais on the road...many are probably double that number of years and seem to be doing fine. At least I have not heard otherwise.
If you look at CR's history reports, the only Korean car listed under 'poor reliability' is the 2002 and 2003 Kia Sedona.
GM, VW, Land Rover, and Chrysler derived products fill in 90+% of the other spaces from 1999 to 2008.

If you want something more American, stick with Ford. And that's from a old Chevy man... or is it an old, Chevy, man..maybe just an old man...lol .

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Wow thats pretty sad. I do see many hyundais on the road. When they first came out, their cars were crap. The sonata is a nice looking car. I think they made a mistake by having the genesis part of hyundai line up. They should have started a luxury division like toyota did with lexus. Hyundai was the first car maker to allow refunds if you lose your job. Ford and GM copied the program months later...
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Wow thats pretty sad. I do see many hyundais on the road. When they first came out, their cars were crap. The sonata is a nice looking car. I think they made a mistake by having the genesis part of hyundai line up. They should have started a luxury division like toyota did with lexus. Hyundai was the first car maker to allow refunds if you lose your job. Ford and GM copied the program months later...
Have you even read the legal terms of the "refund". You might be very surprised once you read and understand the terms. In other words, don't be thinking it is such a good thing. Predatory by my understanding.
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