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Old 05-27-2006, 12:17 PM   #106  
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I'm tired of the attacks, the accusations, the bias info, and more importantly, how this forum (at least this section) is lowering the quality that this great forum provides. It's not fair to long term members and it isn't fair to newcomers looking for help. No one is able to post an opinion or a source, without someone else trying to "start something." [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
BUt you are biased - why get so upset? I make no bones about the fact that I support HD DVD - I think we'd all get a lot further if we just admitted where we're coming from instead of pretending...

And, BTW, the users are better served when innacuracies are corrected - you're mistake was continuing to contend it was accurate...

And uCOM-4 - I completely agree with you - LG is being very hypocritical when in one post he attacks someone claiming they are god-knows-who, and trying to undermine their character, then in the next post complain about playing "fair".

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Old 05-27-2006, 06:57 PM   #107  
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Whatever you guy's do, just don't dis' HDMI. I think it's FANTASTIC !
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Old 05-27-2006, 07:15 PM   #108  
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Whatever you guy's do, just don't dis' HDMI. I think it's FANTASTIC !
a little redundant - and what's that got to do with this thread

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Old 05-29-2006, 06:43 PM   #109  
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LG, for someone who likes to sling the fanboy term a lot, you seem to be the only one who ALWAYS post in these BR vs HDDVD threads. I think you should take a look in the mirror perhaps, and realize you are the biggest fanboy here. Just a little observation from this long time lurker, now back to my lurking.....
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Old 05-29-2006, 10:25 PM   #110  
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Um..I'm not the one accusing others of being the same person.
If we all wait until we get the last shot off it this bitte fueding will never end. Let's just try to get along and stick to the facts, and label opinion as opinion. THEN we can help others with the issues of having two competing formats and which to buy if either should be bought. NONE of us know which format might win, or if they can both survive, or if neither can survive with two formats.

Everyone knows that I favor HD-DVD because it is half the price compared to the cheapest BD player, and it has the HD audio decoders built-in so I can keep using my 1 year old receiver to get those new HD audio formats. This makes it much more cheaper than a BD player which will currently require a new receiver that does not exist (and will be very expensive when it arrives) to be able to hear the new HD audio formats. To me it is worth the risk since I wouldn't pay $1k+ for a player even if it did not require a expensive receiver that doesn't yet.

Do I wish that ALL studios supported BOTH formats and let the consumer decide the winner? YES! & YES!

Does the BD format currently have better studio support? YES!
Does BD players currently have more mfg making them? YES!
Does it have the PS3 to help get a larger base in that format out to the general public? YES! But a fairly small minority of them will be used for BD movies so it does not have the impact many think it will. IMO

Did this format war get us lower prices for the players and the HD discs? YES! & YES!

This is my opinion & speculation part of the post below:

Because of that last statement only, I am glad for the format war, since I always look for the silver lining whenever I can. I also read the abridged history of the BETA vs VHS war and learned some new things besides the common fact that Sony screwed up on many levels of that war.

The biggest thing that I learned by that old format war was that most of the innovation that came about in BOTH VCR formats came from the competing formats trying to out do each other. In that regard, the consumer was the biggest winner. Another thing I got out of that was that Sony WILL NOT go down easy in this war and will fight long after it would become prudent to quit, IF (now remember I said IF) HD-DVD pulls ahead and stays there for an extended period. They will promise to never drop the format and promise the BD fans to keep developing it further and swear they will not drop the format.

It does not seem, given how they reacted in the last format war, that Sony will give up until years AFTER they lost, IF they in fact do lose. This means they could win by just being more tenacious, since I think Toshiba would be smart enough to drop HD-DVD once it became very evident that their format was going to lose, IF that is how it went. But who knows? Maybe Sony learned a valuable lesson and Toshiba has that lesson to learn still and will be the tenacious one.

The only reason I am in this war is because I needed a new DVD player anyway so with the deal I got on the HD-A1, it only costs me an extra $110.00 over a good upscaler to get into the game/war. If the HD-A1/XA1 didn't do upscaling very well I would still be on the sidelines myself.

errrr, actually I still am on the sidelines until my player gets delivered, but you get the point.
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Old 05-30-2006, 07:42 AM   #111  
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I thought I might add something new and relevant to this topic.

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Blu-Ray Not Launching This Summer?

"Apparently, two behemoth companies are planning on delaying the release of their respective Blu-ray products. The two companies? Pioneer and Panasonic. The new launch date? After the launch of the Sony PS3. ..."
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Old 05-30-2006, 08:01 AM   #112  
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Blu-Ray Not Launching This Summer?

"Apparently, two behemoth companies are planning on delaying the release of their respective Blu-ray products. The two companies? Pioneer and Panasonic. The new launch date? After the launch of the Sony PS3. ..."
I've been asking this question for weeks now; why buy a $1000 + BR when I can spend half or less for the PS3.

Since I already have a HD-DVD player I can own both a HD-DVD player and a BR player (PS3) for ~ the cost of a single BR player. Seems as if both Pioneer and Panasonic are leary of trying to compete with Sony's $500 version (PS3).
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Oh yeah- forgot to answer this one. Of course you don't need a new receiver to get audio out of BD. The initial players from Sony and Samsung lack decoders for the new HD audio formats, but they can still output them as DD or DTS. I'd expect to see that some of the early players on the BR side (meaning launch +1 year) will handle the codecs natively, and others will not. If these new audio codecs are a do-or-die proposition for you, though, then it's a strong reason to look at HD-DVD.

No, it's not terribly important to me. When I finish my theater room I may feel differently but for now my 5.1 Surround is just fine. Thanks for the reply Strawberry and LordGamer, I appreciate it. I guess that was kind of a dumb question now that I think about it.

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Old 05-30-2006, 12:44 PM   #114  
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Thanks for the reply Strawberry and LordGamer, I appreciate it. I guess that was kind of a dumb question now that I think about it.
Not true at all- I've seen a lot more dumb answers around here as of late than I have dumb questions.
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Blu-Ray Not Launching This Summer?

"Apparently, two behemoth companies are planning on delaying the release of their respective Blu-ray products. The two companies? Pioneer and Panasonic. The new launch date? After the launch of the Sony PS3. ..."
The "Blu-Ray Not Launching This Summer?" title is a little misleading- since there's nothing in the article that would suggest we won't be seeing the Samsung and Sony players in June and August, respectively.

It'll be interesting to see how sales go for the Pioneer and Panny players though, given that they'll be launching at exorbitant price points in the post PS3-launch environment. I'm also interested to see what Sharp and Philips' initial offerings will be like. One would think that they'll be trying to find a way to cut costs and come in cheaper than the Sony and Samsung models if possible- otherwise they're going to have a hard time selling.
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Old 05-31-2006, 06:07 AM   #116  
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Also the two player that are predicted to launch this summer, the Samsung and Sony will not have Internet connectivity. No online upgrades, but their firmware could still probably be upgradeable by a disc however.
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I heard at another site that an "insider" from Sony told the poster that they will actually be selling their BD player SOONER than the 8/15/06 date on Sony's web site. He was supposedly told it will be released in late June or early July.

I have yet to hear anything else about this so take it with a grain of salt.
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Old 05-31-2006, 04:00 PM   #118  
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More likely November for the Sony, they are admitting they are having serious component shortages, I have even heard that we might not see the Sony in 2006.

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/news...,_Says_Exec/71

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While the article hints that they may have trouble meeting the June 20th date...there's nothing to imply that November is likely the earliest.
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If you guys are right and Sony keeps pushing back the release date along with others, Blu-Ray will have serious trouble winning the format war.
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