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Old 05-26-2006, 01:55 AM   #91  
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Since you guys seem to have inside info on HD-A1 sales, could you share it with us? Please post the link and the date of the link showing that 6000 units have been sold. Don't bother with the post if it's more than 3 or 4 days old, though.

This is proof that the HD-A1 is by far the greatest 1st gen. product in all of recorded history. In fact, it's really an all gen. player since nearly every flaw is firmware upgradable. I am planning to purchase another player as soon as I can find one. Oh, and good luck with those Bluray players when/if they come out. To be fair, I want everyone to remember that only Bluray will output 1080p, not HD DVD (only 1080i). Write that down everyone!

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Ok Elvis...

Just use uCOM-4 or Revolv, one or the other. That's all I'm saying.

Another OUTright lie.

Please, show me how I lied. My words... "NONE of the HD players (from either camp), fully support these new audio codecs."

Notice the word "codecs" is plural. I wasn't refering to an individual codec. So, while the HD-DVD players do support Dolby Digital Plus fully, they do NOT fully support TrueHD. The next time you call me a liar, have something to back it up.

Bruce, I'm going to assume (for now) you aren't just another alternate name of HD Guru. With that...

Since you guys seem to have inside info on HD-A1 sales, could you share it with us?

It's not "inside info." The information has been published several times by credited sources.

Please post the link and the date of the link showing that 6000 units have been sold.

I have posted three links in this thread alone.

Don't bother with the post if it's more than 3 or 4 days old, though.

The information was posted at the beginning of the month, stating at that point, only 6,000 units had shipped. Furthermore, only 4,000 or so were coming "soon." So, giving Toshiba the benefit of the doubt, if they shipped that 4,000 already, it would only be 10,000 units shipped so far.
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Whoa! This petition echos my sentiments exactly. I have already signed both and have passed the links on to another forum. Thanks for sharing both the links and your vast knowledge on both audio and video. My interest in the technical side has been kindled by the incredible performance of the HD-A1.
I've had mine, the XA1, for about a month now and each new movie I watch just re-enforces what a great player it is. I had never had an upconverting player before this either and am now enjoying some of my favorite SD DVDs all over again.
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Since you guys seem to have inside info on HD-A1 sales, could you share it with us? Please post the link and the date of the link showing that 6000 units have been sold. Don't bother with the post if it's more than 3 or 4 days old, though.
They can't, because the stories they are quoting are more than 3 weeks old, based on posts on AVS from 3 weeks before the stories were even printed
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...BY the way, everyone should sign these and pass them on to their friends and other sites also.
the Disney one is at http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/193126108
and the Lions Gate one is at http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/665800521!
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To preserve the integrity of the petition and to prevent inadvertent re-signs, we block multiple signatures from individual accounts. If more than one person is signing from a single computer, you may see a note that says "Oops! Hi John Doe! Our records indicate you have already signed this petition. If you are not John Doe , please click here to sign the petition." Click on that link, to enable another person sharing your computer to sign...
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LG,

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Ok Elvis...

Just use uCOM-4 or Revolv, one or the other. That's all I'm saying.

Another OUTright lie.

Please, show me how I lied. My words... "NONE of the HD players (from either camp), fully support these new audio codecs."

Notice the word "codecs" is plural. I wasn't refering to an individual codec. So, while the HD-DVD players do support Dolby Digital Plus fully, they do NOT fully support TrueHD. The next time you call me a liar, have something to back it up.

Bruce, I'm going to assume (for now) you aren't just another alternate name of HD Guru. With that...

Since you guys seem to have inside info on HD-A1 sales, could you share it with us?

It's not "inside info." The information has been published several times by credited sources.

Please post the link and the date of the link showing that 6000 units have been sold.

I have posted three links in this thread alone.

Don't bother with the post if it's more than 3 or 4 days old, though.

The information was posted at the beginning of the month, stating at that point, only 6,000 units had shipped. Furthermore, only 4,000 or so were coming "soon." So, giving Toshiba the benefit of the doubt, if they shipped that 4,000 already, it would only be 10,000 units shipped so far.
It seems to me that it would be obvious that more players have been released/shipped, since the report you are quoting is from less than 2 weeks after the players came out, AND it has been more than twice that long now.

I hate to say this LordGamer, but that comes across to me as a little disingenuous. I really hate saying this because I think you and I get along very well on here and thought, if coming from me, it would not appear to be a jab, but rather as it was intended.

Believe it or not, there are web sites that are taking sides in this nasty war, and even if they have HAD "better" shipping numbers, they might not post them. Also, where did they get those numbers they did publish from? I seem to remember a report that Toshiba could make 2,000 units per week, at first launch, then up to 10,000 per week after the first month or so. Whether that number has actually happened is anyone's guess. I do know from reports of various forum members that many units had a build date in January, February, March, & April so far. I will report my build date when my unit arrives (hopefully) next week. If I had to guess mine will have a build date in May, but we shall see.

I know there was a guy on here 3 or weeks ago who is a dealer for Toshiba (as well as Sony/Panny, etc) that gave a number of 25,000 units shipped that you basically stated was a lie. The poster was Robert under the name DTV TIVO Dealer. I have spoken with him several times, and he is a great guy. I have a good sense of these things because I have always thought of you as a great guy too!

I hope you take this post as it is intended and not as an attack in any way.
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I'm not looking to jump in to the debate, but I came across this.
http://www.hometheaterblog.com/homet...ers_hddvd.html
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Originally, I was not going to reply to this thread anymore for numerous reasons. The main being that people are trying to make it appear that I am pro-BR. However, since I do respect PFC5's responses, I will respond to your (PFC5) posts & questions.

So, any more discussions about audio codecs or from anyone else directed to me, you are just talking to the wind.

Let me try to make this clear for the last time to everyone... I DO NOT CARE. I am NOT taking sides in this petty battle. People are trying to battle with me, just for the sake of boosting their own pathetic ego. Now, I will try to make this as simple as I possibly am able to...
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LordGamer is NOT saying 6,000 or 10,000 units has shipped. I AM NOT saying that. I AM posting several credited sources, that are stating at the beginning of this month, the actual number of units shipped was roughly 6,000, not the "promised 10,000." Furthermore, it was reported that Toshiba planned to ship about 4,000 more "soon."

Most of these reports were around May 5th. So according to the reports, only 6,000 units had shipped since early May. The time frame of "soon" isn't defined. However, I would imagine it's safe to say within a couple weeks. So, by those reports, it would appear only 10,000 units have been shipped around this time.

Now, I have given links with sources where these numbers came from. AGAIN, I'm not saying it, the sources are.

Some people are saying Toshiba has shipped around 25,000 as of now. Fine by me. However, not one person has indicated a valid source for these numbers. I am NOT saying it's false, I don't know and I don't care. However, how is one able to say 25,000 is right with no "valid sources" and at the same time shoot down the 6,000 to 10,000 figure with "valid sources?" That is a sincere question.

...there are web sites that are taking sides in this nasty war, and even if they have HAD "better" shipping numbers, they might not post them.

I couldn't agree more. And I would not swear before a court that the sources I linked are correct, I am JUST posting them. However, with what you said, of all the people, how could a source from a known HD-DVD dealer and heavy supporter be trusted. I am NOT saying Robert as a person is a liar, but I believe his info could be tainted.

Furthermore, retailers rarely are given accurate figures initially. I worked as an assistant operations and project manager for Media Play and the Best Buy corporation. Not a floor manager or supervisor, but someone of actual insight. We were given lofty figures all the time by suppliers...we did not taken them as the gospel. While I am NOT knocking Robert's store, he also just operates a small outlet. So, please believe with no disrespect, but I don't believe he would be high on Toshiba's food chain of info.
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Now let me say what the responses to this post will be...

LG is a BR fanboy. LG is disrespecting Robert and/or has something against him. LG is a liar. Toshiba has shipped 25,000 players. Toshiba players support HD audio codecs better than BR players. 1080p isn't important.

...that should of saved a couple people some time.

PFC5, now let me ask you... Is what I'm saying really not clear? I know others will respond, but the only one I will read, will be from PFC5.

Honestly, man. I'm not saying 6,000 units have shipped, 10,000 or 25,000. I'm just posting that all the sources I'm able to find point to 10,000 or so. I'm sure Toshi is shipping some as we speak, but I'm going off the info that has been published. I ask you, do you know where this 25,000 figure came from (I assume the original info given to retailers) or have you seen more recent data? Are the sources I posted bias or misleading, I don't know. That is for individuals to decide. If there is a report of Toshi cranking out x amount a week, I would appreciate if it was posted...but again, no one is showing sources to other numbers.

Earlier, I started the following thread in the Suggestions section... http://www.highdefforum.com/showthread.php?t=23914 ...if people post "garbage" there, fine. It would just help my case even more. But to all the good folk, here, please support it. I'm tired of the attacks, the accusations, the bias info, and more importantly, how this forum (at least this section) is lowering the quality that this great forum provides. It's not fair to long term members and it isn't fair to newcomers looking for help. No one is able to post an opinion or a source, without someone else trying to "start something."

I welcome a debate, but I for one, don't have the energy or time to waste taking jabs at me from "clicks" of people (real or fake); especially, with no valid reason.

/longest post ever. Now, I'm going to go enjoy life a bit and watch some of the greatest show ever, the Simpson.

WTF?!? LordGamer. OMG! The Simpsons suck. Fanboy.
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I think all this speculation about # of units sold, and the lack of recent, credible sources for reference, indicates Toshiba's desire to keep this info as secret as possible. They believe (my opinion) that any knowledge of sales figures would only help Sony's strategy more than it would enlighten the rest of us. Take it easy, LG. I have no quarrel with you.

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LordGamer:

Thank you for your response and clearing up some things. The reason why I mentioned some things is because, what you have now clarified, was not the way it was coming across to others in your previous posts. I think I know you well enough to know that you are an honest poster and a great guy too!

I know you have been trying to stay in the middle (like Strawberry) and not choose sides, but people lately do seem to be more pro HD-DVD here, and you must have felt defensive when people were putting the rosiest picture on any HD-DVD info, and the most negative viewpoint on any BD info.

This correction of errors or exagerations is the same reason many people have accused Strawberry of being pro BD too. Take heart. Some of us who have known you around here for over 1 year, know the upstanding poster and person that you truly are!

What I get from you is that you like the studio support that BD currently has, but you like the price of HD-DVD better than the price of BD. I also get that you do not consider yourself an "early adopter" because you do not like the premium entry fee or the bugs that come with that badge.

I generally am not an "early adopter" either for the same reasons, but I was already in the market for a new player to replace my 5 year old 480p player. Although it still has great PQ/SQ, it is getting tired and optical has dropouts, so I had to switch to the Digital coax to hold me over until I could get a HD player. I could not justify $1,000.00 and since the reports about how the HD-A1 upscales have been very good, I decided it would only be about a $110.00 premium of the upscaler I was looking at (after the 3 free HD-DVD movies Robert offered) to get HD too. This basically made it a no brainer for me.

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Earlier, I started the following thread in the Suggestions section... http://www.highdefforum.com/showthread.php?t=23914 ...if people post "garbage" there, fine. It would just help my case even more. But to all the good folk, here, please support it. I'm tired of the attacks, the accusations, the bias info, and more importantly, how this forum (at least this section) is lowering the quality that this great forum provides. It's not fair to long term members and it isn't fair to newcomers looking for help. No one is able to post an opinion or a source, without someone else trying to "start something."
I have stated this same message before but people find it hard to remember, but I am right there with you buddy! We all need to post like we are discussing this face to face with our friends, not adversaries. Sometimes, we all get a little heated (myself included), but we need to remember that this site is for people to learn from each other, discuss opinions, and most important.....

TO HELP OTHERS WHO ARE JUST STARTING OUT AND NEED ASSISTANCE!

Again, LordGamer, I consider you a friend and hope my previous post was taken as it was intended.
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Just use uCOM-4 or Revolv, one or the other. That's all I'm saying.

Another OUTright lie.
Hey Revolv, what do you think? Should we let him swing in the dark like a fool?

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Hey Revolv, what do you think? Should we let him swing in the dark like a fool?



Apparently you don't want to try to play nice ucom-4.

Although I agree about which format will win mostly due to price, I think you should take my advice and try treating others here like they are a friend that you are having a healthy debate with. Fighting for a format that you do not own the rights to is foolish. IMO

Let's start being nice to each other for the good of the site.
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Apparently you don't want to try to play nice ucom-4.

Although I agree about which format will win mostly due to price, I think you should take my advice and try treating others here like they are a friend that you are having a healthy debate with. Fighting for a format that you do not own the rights to is foolish. IMO

Let's start being nice to each other for the good of the site.
Um..I'm not the one accusing others of being the same person.
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I know you have been trying to stay in the middle (like Strawberry) and not choose sides, but people lately do seem to be more pro HD-DVD here, and you must have felt defensive when people were putting the rosiest picture on any HD-DVD info, and the most negative viewpoint on any BD info.

This correction of errors or exagerations is the same reason many people have accused Strawberry of being pro BD too. Take heart. Some of us who have known you around here for over 1 year, know the upstanding poster and person that you truly are!

What I get from you is that you like the studio support that BD currently has, but you like the price of HD-DVD better than the price of BD.
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The entire post was great, but I did want to highlight those parts in particular.

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As do I. Thank you.

Hopefully, this battle will be over sooner, than later.
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