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Old 06-16-2013, 08:53 AM   #16
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For vintage stuff in the 70's and earlier, I prefer TV appearances because usually the AQ is so bad on concerts
Many live albums from the 70's sounded kinda awful. Stuff like KISS Alive 1 and 2, Frampton Comes Alive, The Who Live at Leeds, etc ... sounded like they were recorded in a washroom.

80's era live albums didn't seem to be much better, unless they were massively overdubbed in the studio and/or entirely "faked". ("Faked" in the sense where something was recorded during a soundcheck and/or in the studio, with the live audience noises added in later).
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A lot of Recorded Concerts are carefully structured for Video recording with the end results being transferred to Bluray and he sound is mixed/recorded from their sound boards And hey just keep getting better. Unfortunately older stuff was never recorded for preservation ( before DVD/VHS) Now it's a whole new market to address......mo'money - mo'money - mo'money !
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A lot of Recorded Concerts are carefully structured for Video recording with the end results being transferred to Bluray and he sound is mixed/recorded from their sound boards And hey just keep getting better. Unfortunately older stuff was never recorded for preservation ( before DVD/VHS) Now it's a whole new market to address......mo'money - mo'money - mo'money !
Hey Rizz, I know you put more emphasis on sound quality and of course the newer recordings sound much better. I just wish I could get into a bunch of old geezers (thanks to 1080p with all their warts and wrinkles showing, lol) jamming as if they were back in the day. There's a lot of material out there like that. Heck, they even bring them back for stuff like the Super Bowl (Tom Petty). I need to have an open mind I guess...
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The great thing about watching raw live concerts (whether bootleg or legitimate, or in person) without any overdubbing, etc ..., is that it showcases how good or awful the band members are in terms of musical ability.

Some bands sound good on their studio albums, but sound rather mediocre or awful live. It may suggest the musicians either: don't practice much, are not very proficient on their instruments, etc .... or they are just outright awful musicians to begin with.
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Hey Rizz, I know you put more emphasis on sound quality and of course the newer recordings sound much better. I just wish I could get into a bunch of old geezers (thanks to 1080p with all their warts and wrinkles showing, lol) jamming as if they were back in the day. There's a lot of material out there like that. Heck, they even bring them back for stuff like the Super Bowl (Tom Petty). I need to have an open mind I guess...
Unfortunately most of those Old favorites are either into Major shows like The Beach Boys, The Stones, Bruce Springsteen mostly currently active "Rockers" were as some of the older groups haven't performed publicly in many many years and you gotta be in shape for a concert tour not like "a one night stand", months of rehearsals, public performances for cheap to see if your accepted again. So for them to sponsor a High Quality video for production, so unless they are commercially sponsored it's highly unlikely to happen.

I wouldn't even mind an instudio Taping of their performance I don't need the light show or audience shots.
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The great thing about watching raw live concerts (whether bootleg or legitimate, or in person) without any overdubbing, etc ..., is that it showcases how good or awful the band members are in terms of musical ability.

Some bands sound good on their studio albums, but sound rather mediocre or awful live. It may suggest the musicians either: don't practice much, are not very proficient on their instruments, etc .... or they are just outright awful musicians to begin with.
The next time you go to a Major concert locate the sound directors board ....that's where the 'magic' is made those guys are artist they control the total sound "making the concert"

It's not like showing up with some amps in a pickup and reproducing their signature sound.
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I haven't picked up many dvds/blurays of rock concerts.

(Only concert bluray I have is the "The Doors: Live at the Bowl '68").

Of the concerts dvds I have watched over the years, the vast majority were huge disappointments to me. Despite the better picture and audio quality, these concerts were typically recorded when these particular bands were way past their prime. For many of these bands, the video footage looked like they were just "going through the motions" on stage. (Or even worse, they looked bored on stage).

These days, I mostly search on youtube for old bootleg concert footage of bands when they were in their prime or earlier. Back when such bands were in their prime (or even further back in their "early days"), they seemed to be a lot more "hungry" and "into it" with great intensity (for lack of a better description).

Sorta like the difference between a "KISS Alive 1" and a "KISS Alive 3".
You really need to see some of the newer stuff out. Eagle Vision does a great job making these things, with excellent video and audio. I still use my dvd's one is Pulse pink floyd show, that's a little fuzzy here and there, but well worth it, another is the Steely Dan dvd. Get on to Blu ray and it all changes dramaticly. Try the Black and White Nights, Roy Orbison, in 96/24 aiudio, or the Cream Reunion.
Although the BD are so much better, you really need to allow these a chance. Rush-ZZ Top-Queen-Billy Idol-so many titles.
If your using that blu ray player for just movies, you are waisting the potential of the machine.
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You really need to see some of the newer stuff out. Eagle Vision does a great job making these things, with excellent video and audio. I still use my dvd's one is Pulse pink floyd show, that's a little fuzzy here and there, but well worth it, another is the Steely Dan dvd. Get on to Blu ray and it all changes dramaticly. Try the Black and White Nights, Roy Orbison, in 96/24 aiudio, or the Cream Reunion.
Although the BD are so much better, you really need to allow these a chance. Rush-ZZ Top-Queen-Billy Idol-so many titles.
If your using that blu ray player for just movies, you are waisting the potential of the machine.
Unfortunately the music of these particular above ^ listed bands do not really interest me much these days. Your musical tastes may very well be quite different than mine.

On bluray, I've only come across around 5 or 6 concert titles which could interest me. But after seeing these particular concerts on dvd, I was largely disappointed. My disappointment has nothing to do with the picture and sound quality. It has everything to do with watching concerts featuring a bunch of 40-50 year old guys on stage that look like they're just going through the motions and/or look like they are outright bored.

For that matter, a lot of the stuff I could be interested in has never been released on dvd at all. (Never mind bluray). Some of it has only been officially released on VHS.
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The next time you go to a Major concert locate the sound directors board ....that's where the 'magic' is made those guys are artist they control the total sound "making the concert"

It's not like showing up with some amps in a pickup and reproducing their signature sound.
This is not what I'm thinking of.

What I listen for is how "tight" the band sounds without any "magic". Tightness means:

- How precise are they playing in time with one another.
- How accurate are they hitting the right notes at the correct times.
- When live improvised fills are added in, do they accurately play in time?

No amount of live mixing board gymnastics can correct a lack of tightness.

In contrast for a studio recording, the musicians can do numerous takes to get things to sound tight. If the musicians are absolutely incompetent, the engineer has a whole arsenal of tricks to "fix" things to sound bearable.
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I don't have much of an ear for the instrumentation like you guys. I'm all about the vocals. That's why old people singing 30 years past their prime hold little appeal to me. Their vocals can never hold a candle to their younger days. Like a 60 year old marathon runner trying to come back and run against the stars of today. For example, I'm a big Judy Garland fan because her vocals were so amazing. The tonal quality of her vocals reached a peak when she was in her late teens (in the movie Listen Darling), but later she had a greater range and power (which can peak in the 30's and 40's). I'm more interested in the tonal quality because for me that's the "goods".

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I don't have much of an ear for the instrumentation like you guys. I'm all about the vocals. That's why old people singing 30 years past their prime hold little appeal to me. Their vocals can never hold a candle to their younger days. Like a 60 year old marathon runner trying to come back and run against the stars of today. For example, I'm a big Judy Garland fan because her vocals were so amazing. The tonal quality of her vocals reached a peak when she was in her late teens (in the movie Listen Darling), but later she had a greater range and power (which can peak in the 30's and 40's). I'm more interested in the tonal quality because for me that's the "goods".
I agree to an extent, there are quite a few Talents that still are capable of performing as they did back then, like Sir Paul McCartney Mick Jagger, Eric Clapton , Rod Stewart, Bowie, the beach boys and many others but it's not just happening it requires lots of work physical and otherwise to acheive these standards.
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Thought I would try and revive this discussion.
It's true, a good sound tech can make or break a band - and it doesn't matter where the band is in their career. As someone who has some experience back in the 80's, I can say early in their careers, some bands didn't always make giving a solid performance their #1 priority, if you know what I mean. There were, of coarse, some who did (and still can). The audience also can contribute to a performance - who cares what you sound like to a bunch of drunken idiots who think anything live is great.
Which brings us to the matured band playing to a mature audience. Many of them do it for the love of their music and to bring back their fan's memories of times past. Sure, the vocal ranges aren't quite what they were, but they spend the time and effort to "get it right." REO Speedwagon, Alice Cooper and Rush come to mind (along with a few others).
Like video, sound technology has come a long way and is better than in times past. It shows in a recorded performance. Like HDTV, the flaws can be seen easier. Among others I've seen recently, the Trans-Siberian Orchestra puts on a great show. There are still those worthy of being recorded live.
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not a big fan of live concerts.. although i was very happy to find out that Global by Paul Van Dyk includes both the live set and the studio mix
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Wow - dead thread resurrected but I had not seen it before. I actually have dozens of concert dvd/ bu-rays. Everything the Grateful Dead and Phish has put out (except Clifford Ball). ELton John, String Cheese Incident, Norah Jones, Natalie Merchant, Big Leg Emma, Pink Floyd, Keller Williams, Alison Krauss and Union Station, Kenny Chesney, Dixie Chicks, Bonnaroo Compilations, Bela Fleck probably forgetting a whole bunch but I enjoy great live music a bunch
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