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VIP722K/VIP622K receivers and OTA tuner

Charles Branch
07-07-2009, 03:36 PM
I just had a new DISH install of their 4 room package using one VIP722 and one VIP622. I had chosen these particular receivers in part because I have to have an OTA tuner to get local channels. After the installer left, I decided to move my antenna connection from my old DirecTV H20 receiver to the new VIP722 receiver, and to my surprise there was no place to plug in the the type F antenna connector. I called DISH, and the agent informed me that I had received new versions of both receivers (hence the "K" in the model number). He said the VIP722K has some nifty new features, but that it does not come with the OTA tuner. The tuner is an optional accessory. I was about to get angry, but he said the optional modules are only $32 each ($64 for the two receivers), so I bit the bullet and ordered them.

Now if he had said they were $330 each, I would be writing a pretty nasty post. :)

I have been with DirecTV for 13 years. For the most part they have provided pretty good service. I sure hope I don't come to regret making the change.

Charles

jim5506
07-07-2009, 05:38 PM
You did not get a 722 you got a 722K, and if the other receiver is a 622, it does indeed have one OTA HD tuner in it, so you did not need the second module.

The good thing about the module is that it has TWO OTA tuners so you can record 4 simultaneous programs 2 sat and 2 OTA.

Just to make sure the 622 is silver and the 722 and 722k are black.

Charles Branch
07-07-2009, 06:23 PM
You did not get a 722 you got a 722K

I thought that was what I said. I ordered a 722, but learned after the install that it is actually a 722K.

, and if the other receiver is a 622, it does indeed have one OTA HD tuner in it, so you did not need the second module.

I misspoke. It is a 222K, and it has the same empty slot as the 722K

BTW. Are you the same Jim who has been trying to help me get my friend's antenna picking up the CBS channel after he lost it with the digital transition? We haven't got the crane out yet to bypass his pre-amp. But I happened on a WEB site called www.mydistantnetworks.com. According to them my friend is eligible to get the CBS feed from DISH without a waiver. If that is true, that would give him another option. Can I trust their information?
I'll post an update on the other thread too.

Thanks,

Charles

jim5506
07-08-2009, 10:52 PM
Yes.

Yes.

Charles Branch
07-11-2009, 01:34 AM
Yesterday I read that I am eligible for the PBS national feed if Dish does not offer local channels in my area: http://www.pbs.org/aboutpbs/aboutpbs_prog_dish2.html. So I called Dish to see about adding that feed. But the Dish rep told me that I can get local channels. I told him that I had been told the day before that my area is not eligible, and I asked him to double-check my 36832 ZIP. He confirmed that I am eligible. Now here is where it gets weird: he said I would get my local channels from Milwaukee, WI. He even read off the channel numbers.

Sure enough, a little while later I noticed channels from 7070 through 7081 on the guide, and the channels were the same as he described and the same as listed here: http://www.dish-systems.com/hdtv/dish_network_hd_locals_milwaukee_wisconsin.php. On most of them I get an error message that indicates Dish knows there is a reception problem and is working on it. But on 7080 and 7081 I get an error message that the channels are not available outside the designated viewing area.

Anybody know what's going on here? Aren't the Milwaukee channels on a spot beam? Is it even technically possible to receive them at a 36832 ZIP in Alabama?

This has been really confusing. The first Dish salesman who called me a few weeks ago said we have locals. When they called to confirm the installation, the second rep said we do not have locals, so I canceled the installation. I later decided to go ahead anyway, and when I spoke with another Dish rep about not getting the guide for OTA channels, he said the guide is transmitted OTA, and that Dish has no way to provide them. That same guy explained that the reason I can't get locals is technical (because the spot beam does not quite reach my area). Then the last guy signs me up for Milwaukee locals. I'm beginning to think I would get more consistent answers if I asked the clerk at the local Zippy Mart instead of calling Dish. :)

garys
07-11-2009, 05:53 AM
Call back, it is a mistake on Dish's part. There is absolutely no way to get Milwaukee's spot beam in Alabama.

Charles Branch
07-11-2009, 06:45 AM
Call back, it is a mistake on Dish's part. There is absolutely no way to get Milwaukee's spot beam in Alabama.
Maybe this time I'll get a rep with a really creative story...like, "I've figured out how to get you locals by bouncing off Vega through a worm hole.":) Let's see, now. Would that mean I could watch Mystery Science Theater live all over again?

But seriously, what about the PBS feed? Was that link correct? I thought Dish lost their DNS feeds a couple of years ago. And AllAmericanDirect told me they do not offer PBS.

So far the only thing I will miss about DirecTV is the loss of the OTA guide and the loss of the CBS and PBS national feeds I was getting.

garys
07-11-2009, 08:29 AM
DNS has nothing to do with the PBS channel as it is a National Feed. The rule Dish uses is from PBS directly and nothing to do with the FCC.

Charles Branch
07-11-2009, 10:40 AM
DNS has nothing to do with the PBS channel as it is a National Feed. The rule Dish uses is from PBS directly and nothing to do with the FCC.
I guess I'm confused. I thought "DNS" was the term used for sending a national feed to the whole country, as opposed to the spot beams, And I thought that was what the court took away from Dish back in about 2006. What am I missing?

garys
07-11-2009, 05:30 PM
I guess I'm confused. I thought "DNS" was the term used for sending a national feed to the whole country, as opposed to the spot beams, And I thought that was what the court took away from Dish back in about 2006. What am I missing?
DSN refers to distant networks, each DMA has their own set which Dish is no longer allowed to supply to anyone. The ruling had nothing to do with the PBS National feed.

jbkulp
11-14-2010, 11:31 AM
I currently have Dish with HD connected to 2 hdtvs. I would like to add a 3rd hdtv. If I buy this receiver, how would I connect it to my existing system which has two separate receivers--each attached to one hdtv and one standard tv--to do this? Is it even possible? One of my receivers is a Vip 222 and the other is a Vip 622. Thanks.

Charles Branch
11-14-2010, 03:00 PM
I currently have Dish with HD connected to 2 hdtvs. I would like to add a 3rd hdtv. If I buy this receiver, how would I connect it to my existing system which has two separate receivers--each attached to one hdtv and one standard tv--to do this? Is it even possible? One of my receivers is a Vip 222 and the other is a Vip 622. Thanks.
I don't know about the 622, but the 222 and 722 have auxiliary tuners than can supply a second set in another room. You can tune the HD channels, but the signal itself is not HD. I guess that getting HD in the third room would require another receiver and probably a splitter of some sort.

jim5506
11-14-2010, 06:02 PM
I currently have Dish with HD connected to 2 hdtvs. I would like to add a 3rd hdtv. If I buy this receiver, how would I connect it to my existing system which has two separate receivers--each attached to one hdtv and one standard tv--to do this? Is it even possible? One of my receivers is a Vip 222 and the other is a Vip 622. Thanks.

It depends on your Dish. If you have a D1000.2 or D1000.4, it has a three port switch built in, so just run a third RG-6 cable from the dish to the new receiver.

If you have another configuration, you probably will need a DPP44 switch to add the third receiver.

jbkulp
11-14-2010, 06:37 PM
Thanks. How do I tell what satellite dish I have? Is it on the dish itself?

jim5506
11-20-2010, 05:32 PM
The D1000.2 has three lnb's all in a single unit evenly spaced, the D1000.4 has all three lnb's but they are not evenly spaced.

If you have 3 lnb's and they are not all in one unit, you may have a D1000 of other minor variant which may require a DPP44 switch.

Kard
11-25-2010, 10:54 AM
I just installed the OTA tuner in a VIP722K and tried to record more than two channels (as suggested by jim5506 - The good thing about the module is that it has TWO OTA tuners so you can record 4 simultaneous programs 2 sat and 2 OTA.) and was not able to record more than two programs at once. Is there a secret or is this capability of recording up to four programs with the OTA tuner incorrect?

lsilvest
11-25-2010, 08:23 PM
I just installed the OTA tuner in a VIP722K and tried to record more than two channels (as suggested by jim5506 - The good thing about the module is that it has TWO OTA tuners so you can record 4 simultaneous programs 2 sat and 2 OTA.) and was not able to record more than two programs at once. Is there a secret or is this capability of recording up to four programs with the OTA tuner incorrect?

He meant you can record 2 OTA (1 on each tuner) and 2 from the satellite feed (again, 1 on each tuner). If you are recording all 4 on local channels, make sure 2 of them are from the Dish locals feed. This can be confusing in the guide, so you need to identify which are from OTA and which are from Dish.

sbland
11-26-2010, 10:25 AM
Hey everyone. I need Help
I am new to this forum thing and don't know if I am asking for help in the correct area of this forum, but here I go.

I just purchased a LT-46164 Mitsubishi TV and A Sony Blue Ray BDP S-570, and have a VIP722k Dish Net Work DVR. At this time I have the Dish Net DVR set up in my bedroom. I have TV's set up in my bedroom, another bedroom, and my Living room. I have a HDMI cable going from the DVR to the TV in my bedroom and RF56 coaxial cable going to the Living room and RF56 coaxial cable going to the other bedroom. The second bedroom set is slave to the one in the Living room. Can I hook the new Mitsubishi to the RF56 coaxial cable in the living room, and get the HDMI reception I should? Or do I need to hook the system up differently? I really don't know anything about the installation, but hopefully someone will be able to guide me through this installation process. I am looking forward to doing this myself and learning something about the whole system.
I will use a wall mount I have and the TV will be centered at 6' from floor, and a component cabinet located on the floor.

lsilvest
11-26-2010, 10:41 AM
Hey everyone. I need Help
I am new to this forum thing and don't know if I am asking for help in the correct area of this forum, but here I go.

I just purchased a LT-46164 Mitsubishi TV and A Sony Blue Ray BDP S-570, and have a VIP722k Dish Net Work DVR. At this time I have the Dish Net DVR set up in my bedroom. I have TV's set up in my bedroom, another bedroom, and my Living room. I have a HDMI cable going from the DVR to the TV in my bedroom and RF56 coaxial cable going to the Living room and RF56 coaxial cable going to the other bedroom. The second bedroom set is slave to the one in the Living room. Can I hook the new Mitsubishi to the RF56 coaxial cable in the living room, and get the HDMI reception I should? Or do I need to hook the system up differently? I really don't know anything about the installation, but hopefully someone will be able to guide me through this installation process. I am looking forward to doing this myself and learning something about the whole system.
I will use a wall mount I have and the TV will be centered at 6' from floor, and a component cabinet located on the floor.

The DVR is set up to give you HD on TV1 only (which you indicate is your bedroom), and SD through coax to any other TVs. The only way you can get HD to more than one TV is to use the HDMI and/or component output to a second TV. For example, you could use component to your bedroom and run HDMI to the living room or use a splitter and run HDMI to both. In this setup, though, you can only watch what is being shown on the TV1, so the same thing would be showing on the bedroom and living room Tvs. And, to control the 2nd TV with the TV2 remote, you would need to be in single mode.

For what you want, the sling adapter would really be your best bet unless you wanted to get at least one more receiver.

sbland
11-26-2010, 01:51 PM
Where do I get the Slinger adapter or another reciever?

sbland
11-26-2010, 01:55 PM
oh and what about the third TV in the other bed room. By the way the distance between the Living room TV and the Master Bed Room is about 40', and the other Bed Room TV is 25' from the TV in the Master Bed Room.

lsilvest
11-26-2010, 02:13 PM
Where do I get the Slinger adapter or another reciever?
Call Dish or your local retailer if that's who you deal with.

oh and what about the third TV in the other bed room. By the way the distance between the Living room TV and the Master Bed Room is about 40', and the other Bed Room TV is 25' from the TV in the Master Bed Room.

The 3rd TV would also be handled with the Sling. If you stick with the 722 and you have 2 TVs that are not used at the same time, then you could just get one more receiver to use with the 3rd TV.