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4 July Blu-ray “If you’re buying a disc player it’s going to be a Blu-ray player"

Kosty
07-06-2009, 04:05 AM
Strong retailer push for Blu-ray overt this July 4 weekend.

This may finally be the beginning of a strong retailer push for Blu-ray hardware sales.



My favorite quote of the article :D

Arman Ozdere, sales representative with Paul’s TV in Irvine, Calif., said Blu-ray sales remain steady (“not spectacular”) with consumer awareness of the high-definition format strong.

Ozdere said he wouldn't be surprised to see BD players around $100 this coming Black Friday.

[B]“If you’re buying a disc player it’s going to be a Blu-ray player,” Ozdere said. “Nobody is buying a DVD player anymore.”


article below


http://www.homemediamagazine.com/blu-ray-disc/fireworks-parades-and-blu-ray-16260

Fireworks, Parades and Blu-ray

By Erik Gruenwedel | Posted: 05 Jul 2009
[email protected]


In addition to requisite Fourth of July weekend parades, fireworks and barbeques, consumer electronics retailers aggressively marketed Blu-ray Disc players separately and in home theater systems with price cuts not seen since Black Friday.

No. 1 CE retailer Best Buy Co. offered its proprietary Chinese-made Insignia BD player with BD Live functionality for $169.99 — $30 off the SRP, according to a weekly newspaper circular.

The Minneapolis-based retailer cut $50 from Panasonic’s DMP-BD80K with software links to YouTube and Picasa music downloads for $399.99, and the DMP-BD60K with Netflix streaming (separate subscription required) for $299.99. The Samsung BDP-1600 with BD Live, Netflix and Pandora music streams retailed for $249.99 after a $50 reduction.

Best Buy also offered 30% discounts online on more than 2,200 Paramount Home Entertainment DVD titles (www.bestbuy.com/dvdsale).

In Southern California, Fry’s Electronics offered two free Sony Pictures Home Entertainment BD movies with the purchase of a Sony Blu-ray player for $199.99. Titles included 21, Dr. Strangelove, The Da Vinci Code and You Don’t Mess with the Zohan. The retailer also offered a LG player with BD Live for $187.

Ken Cranes sold the Panasonic DMP-BD60K for $248.99 and no sales tax. Indeed, the retailer eliminated sales tax on all Blu-ray home theater systems and HDTV units, in addition to terms that included no deposit, interest or payments for 12 months.

Howard’s Appliance and Flat Screen Superstores eliminated interest charges on all HDTV and Blu-ray hardware sales through December, including BD players from Samsung, LG and Pansonic.

Arman Ozdere, sales representative with Paul’s TV in Irvine, Calif., said Blu-ray sales remain steady (“not spectacular”) with consumer awareness of the high-definition format strong.

Ozdere said he wouldn't be surprised to see BD players around $100 this coming Black Friday.

“If you’re buying a disc player it’s going to be a Blu-ray player,” Ozdere said. “Nobody is buying a DVD player anymore.”

Nikopol
07-06-2009, 05:35 AM
“Nobody is buying a DVD player anymore.”

This statement is probably true. In 2012... :lol:

I checked out "Paul’s TV" website (The King of Big Screen :D ) and i couldn't find any DVD players, only four BD players. So maybe that sort of explains that statement... :lol:

PFC5
07-06-2009, 05:38 AM
Yeah from them. :lol:

Kosty
07-06-2009, 05:40 AM
Well, its obviously not literally true, but its the kinda conversational comment you might get when you are speaking in general terms about sales trends.

But the point is, from a retail sales perspective, there will be a tendency to displace DVD players with Blu-ray players, that have better performance and better value for the consumer (that also play DVDs) that also , coincidently may have better margins and profitability.

Once that happens, and you see on the shelves Blu-ray players in place of upconverting DVD players, from major electronic retailers, DVD player sales will trend down to white box general units at general merchandise stores.

At electronic goods retailers a trend to displace upconverting DVD players with Blu-ray units will increase Blu-ray hardware household penetration in an accelerated way.

Its not linear. Sooner or later retail displacement for Blu-ray hardware will reach a tipping point. Last weekend and that quote in particular is probably well overstated, but when it happens it will mean a lot of Blu-ray hardware units sold.

Lee Stewart
07-06-2009, 06:04 AM
Last year they sold 25 million DVD players which was down from 2007. I suspect it will drop again to about 22 million.

That's a lot of DVD players.

Kosty
07-06-2009, 06:06 AM
No one is saying that everyone will rush out and buy a Blu-ray player. What the implication is here is if consumers who are in the market for a new optical disc player start buying Blu-ray players instead of DVD players for their primary displays, and that Blu-ray players displace regular DVD players or at least the higher to mid priced options on retail shelves, that will increase Blu-ray player hardware sales.

More Blu-ray hardware sales will lead to more Blu-ray software sales.

Lee Stewart
07-06-2009, 06:19 AM
No one is saying that everyone will rush out and buy a Blu-ray player. What the implication is here is if consumers who are in the market for a new optical disc player start buying Blu-ray players instead of DVD players for their primary displays, and that Blu-ray players displace regular DVD players or at least the higher to mid priced options on retail shelves, that will increase Blu-ray player hardware sales.

More Blu-ray hardware sales will lead to more Blu-ray software sales.

Well that's the problem isn't it? The market for consumers looking to buy a BD player just isn't that big. The forecast this year was 6 million which was adjusted to 4.1 million just recently.

Kosty
07-06-2009, 06:30 AM
Well that's the problem isn't it? The market for consumers looking to buy a BD player just isn't that big. The forecast this year was 6 million which was adjusted to 4.1 million just recently.

It may end up larger when consumers start seeing $99-$128 Blu-ray players on the shelves.

But once again, you miss the point.


Consumer intentions to buy Blu-ray players will become less important if Blu-ray players displace DVD players at electronic departments of major retailers.

Millions more consumers buy replacement and secondary DVD players each year, even if they already have one. If Blu-ray hardware starts being displayed in place of a lot of the DVD units now on the shelves, consumers may naturally start buying Blu-ray players when their original intention coming into the store (or in a online survey conducted from Harris Interactive back in April ) was to buy a DVD player.

Lee Stewart
07-06-2009, 06:38 AM
It may end up larger when consumers start seeing $99-$128 Blu-ray players on the shelves.

But once again, you miss the point.


Consumer intentions to buy Blu-ray players will become less important if Blu-ray players displace DVD players at electronic departments of major retailers.

Millions more consumers buy replacement and secondary DVD players each year, even if they already have one. If Blu-ray hardware starts being displayed in place of a lot of the DVD units now on the shelves, consumers may naturally start buying Blu-ray players when their original intention coming into the store (or in a online survey conducted from Harris Interactive back in April ) was to buy a DVD player.

I am not missing the point. You are trying to inject speculation in a market that today is dominated by DVD players. And that new forecast was made AFTER the Fathers Day sale so they already saw $99 priced BD players.

If you can make a BD player and sell it at a profit for $99, then you can easily make a DVD player that sells for substantially less and make a profit.

Kosty
07-06-2009, 07:58 AM
Retailers make decisions on what to stock by sales and profit per unit and per space.

Manufacturers build stuff they can sell to consumers at prices that make more profit per unit.

Once Blu-ray has reached, as it is beginning to now, acceptable consumer price points, sub $200, its in many consumers acceptable price ranges and that tendency for retailers to to replace DVD units on display with Blu-ray units will accelerate. CEM's are phasing out DVD only players and are just going to more and more make and ship Blu-ray units (that also play DVDs)

Kosty
07-06-2009, 07:59 AM
I'm seeing more and more Blu-ray players displacing DVD units at retail. Especially in the last few weeks.

I've seen the same at my local Best Buy's, Sears, Costco's Sam's Club's, BJ'S Wholesales Club and Wal-Marts and a couple local merchandisers .

Not really yet at Target, K-Mart, as they still have a lot of DVD players there even if they have started showing more Blu-ray players.

My Wal-Marts and the Sam's Club really made a big shift about two weeks ago when the new Blu-ray players arrived. They really killed off most of the DVD players on display with only a couple $50 DVD or less players left on display.

Dave J
07-06-2009, 08:19 AM
Well that's the problem isn't it? The market for consumers looking to buy a BD player just isn't that big. The forecast this year was 6 million which was adjusted to 4.1 million just recently.

You are mixing your sources for forecasted numbers. These are the current forecasted numbers at present.

Adams Media Research's forecast was referring to the number of additional blu-ray households (4.1 million) not the number of units sold. This was not an adjustment by Adams Media Research.

The forecast for 6 million blu-ray players sold for 2009 was made by FutureSource Consulting and they have not revised their numbers at this time.

The CEA forecasted 5.7 million blu-ray players sold for 2009 and they also have not revised their numbers at this time.

Kosty
07-06-2009, 08:33 AM
Based on the conversations I had and presentations I saw, with the CEA guys and Jim Bottoms from Future Source Consulting who were all at the CES lineshow and Digital Downtown CEA event in NYC last month, who I had a chance to chat some with, I would not be surprised to hear that those estimates might be revised upward after some of the 2Q Blu-ray hardware numbers come in and they get a feel for the Blu-ray hardware sales of the last few weeks.

HD Goofnut
07-06-2009, 10:43 AM
I still think the solution would be to remove all DVD players from the market other than the well made upscalers like Oppo.

ack_bak
07-06-2009, 10:55 AM
I still think the solution would be to remove all DVD players from the market other than the well made upscalers like Oppo.

BD players are still too expensive to consider that. Once we see them for $49 and under I think a case can be made to phase all but the cheapest SAL DVD players out of the market. We are probably a few years away from this.

dangerdoc
07-06-2009, 11:06 AM
I still think the solution would be to remove all DVD players from the market other than the well made upscalers like Oppo.

A solution for whom?

My 8 year old boy's DVD player gave up the ghost over the weekend. I wanted an inexpensive replacement player for his room. How does taking this option away help consumers?

Rick-F
07-06-2009, 12:45 PM
As long as new movies are being released on DVD, there will be a market for new DVD players.

PFC5
07-06-2009, 01:05 PM
BD players are still too expensive to consider that. Once we see them for $49 and under I think a case can be made to phase all but the cheapest SAL DVD players out of the market. We are probably a few years away from this.

I agree with this. Many many people don't want to pay more than $50.00 for a player and to remove that choice is well....Un-American (but seems to be the current tread with most things nowadays :banghead:).

I think BD players WILL eventually replace SD DVD players but not until the prices are very minimal (by the average Joe's perspective not us forum dweller's perspective). ;)

Certainly that one store that stopped selling SD DVD players was providing an accurate portrait of THEIR sales, but that is NOT the norm yet.

HD Goofnut
07-06-2009, 03:04 PM
A solution for whom?

My 8 year old boy's DVD player gave up the ghost over the weekend. I wanted an inexpensive replacement player for his room. How does taking this option away help consumers?

You can get a Blu-ray player for next to $100. If you wait a few months they will be the same price as decent SD DVD upscalers. Besides Blu-ray players play DVDs as well you know.

kamspy
07-06-2009, 03:10 PM
I think he needed to qualify it like:

"Nobody spending over $100 on a disc player is buying a DVD player".

The $30 joints will sell until there are BD players at the same price.

HD Goofnut
07-06-2009, 03:16 PM
I think he needed to qualify it like:

"Nobody spending over $100 on a disc player is buying a DVD player".

The $30 joints will sell until there are BD players at the same price.

I see $19.99 DVD players at Kroger all the time. They are usually made by someone like Coby.:lol:

Dare
07-06-2009, 03:20 PM
Arman Ozdere, sales representative with Paul’s TV in Irvine, Calif., said Blu-ray sales remain steady (“not spectacular”) with consumer awareness of the high-definition format strong.

Nobody is concerned by that statement?

Also, there's very little point in Paul's TV selling DVD Players. Prices are so low he would have to sell in volume, and he can't touch Wal-mart, Best Buy, Target, and every other electronics store, department store, grocery store, and drug store in the area.

PFC5
07-06-2009, 03:53 PM
I see $19.99 DVD players at Kroger all the time. They are usually made by someone like Coby.:lol:

And I bet we would be surprised how many people are buying these cheapo players still too.

Nobody is concerned by that statement?

Also, there's very little point in Paul's TV selling DVD Players. Prices are so low he would have to sell in volume, and he can't touch Wal-mart, Best Buy, Target, and every other electronics store, department store, grocery store, and drug store in the area.

I agree. To sell the cheapo SD DVD players and make any decent money/profit you would have to sell in high volumes. I remember seeing a cheapo upscaling player for around $50.00 a few months ago, so for many people, that is still a big difference compared to a $150.00 BD player I would think.

I think it is fair to say that many retailers expected a faster adoption, but the economy has caused some of the lower than expected adoption.

HD Goofnut
07-06-2009, 03:56 PM
And I bet we would be surprised how many people are buying these cheapo players still too.



I agree. To sell the cheapo SD DVD players and make any decent money/profit you would have to sell in high volumes. I remember seeing a cheapo upscaling player for around $50.00 a few months ago, so for many people, that is still a big difference compared to a $150.00 BD player I would think.

I think it is fair to say that many retailers expected a faster adoption, but the economy has caused some of the lower than expected adoption.

I think the Funai BD players will be getting close to $50 regular price some time in 2010, if not then $79 for sure. Wouldn't you agree PFC?

kamspy
07-06-2009, 04:14 PM
I buy a cheapo DVD player every year.:)

Kids put all kinds of misc stuff in the drive.

PFC5
07-06-2009, 05:43 PM
I think the Funai BD players will be getting close to $50 regular price some time in 2010, if not then $79 for sure. Wouldn't you agree PFC?

I hope so, and the economy will likely make that more likely than if we had a booming economy. I doubt we will see prices at $50.00 except for maybe on black Friday in 2010, which will not be enough IMO to make everyone buy one unfortunately. Once the price for the cheapest models are at $50.00 all year long it will make SD DVD players redundant IMO.


I buy a cheapo DVD player every year.:)

Kids put all kinds of misc stuff in the drive.

I have found things in my kids' VCRs when they were younger, but my youngest is 8 now and they do not do that anymore and they have a BD player & 50" DLP in the kids' TV/play room now.

kamspy
07-06-2009, 05:53 PM
My youngest is three (and I just found out I'm expecting another :eek::thatsit), so I find all sorts of fun crap in there.

I'm glad there's a line priced for disposability.

CRTs are built like tanks, so I'm good there(but I have lost a couple to kool-aid dumping....)

PFC5
07-06-2009, 06:07 PM
Congrats Kamspy! :yippee:

How many does that make for you once the new arrival comes?

dangerdoc
07-06-2009, 07:08 PM
I think the Funai BD players will be getting close to $50 regular price some time in 2010, if not then $79 for sure. Wouldn't you agree PFC?

SOCs will eventually come down to DVD level pricing. The box, motor, power supply etc are roughly equivalent.

I guess it will come down to how cheep you can make a blue laser optical unit and how much the liscencing comes down.

Anybody know how the blue laser market is doing?

Kosty
07-06-2009, 07:17 PM
Its getting pretty commodity wise cheap for the Blu-ray optical drives now.

Its more market and royalty driven that cost driven now for Blu-ray hardware prices in the mass market quantities that Blu-ray hardware are now being produced at in their 2009 production runs.

The BOM is dropping like a rock much faster than even the retail price points are. CEMs and retailers ought to be making some nice margins this fall.

kamspy
07-06-2009, 07:20 PM
congrats kamspy! :yippee:

How many does that make for you once the new arrival comes?

4...

Kosty
07-06-2009, 07:22 PM
congrats dude.

:D:D:D

+ :D

kamspy
07-06-2009, 07:26 PM
congrats dude.

:D:D:D

+ :D

Thanks....just have to figure out where the little bugger is going to sleep:eek:

Hope for a boy fellas, I've got 3 girls right now, 5 counting the wife and the dog.:D

I need another guy in the house to balance things out.

Kosty
07-06-2009, 07:46 PM
congrats dude.

:D:D:D

+ :D

Correction :

:angel:angel:angel

+ :devil2

dangerdoc
07-06-2009, 08:06 PM
Thanks....just have to figure out where the little bugger is going to sleep:eek:

Hope for a boy fellas, I've got 3 girls right now, 5 counting the wife and the dog.:D

I need another guy in the house to balance things out.

I have a friend that had seven girls in a row before getting his boy, just how committed are you? They waited until the 9th child before moving out of their 3 bedroom house!

If you keep having girls, you can just stack them like cordwood in one bedroom.

kamspy
07-06-2009, 08:09 PM
I have a friend that had seven girls in a row before getting his boy, just how committed are you? They waited until the 9th child before moving out of their 3 bedroom house!

If you keep having girls, you can just stack them like cordwood in one bedroom.

Considering this one wasn't exactly planned, not very committed at all. :lol:

It's not an accident, it's a love child.;)

PFC5
07-06-2009, 08:56 PM
4...

Same as me then, only I have 2 of each. The only one planned was my "former" (now adopted) step-son who came as a package deal with his mother. ;)

Someone forgot to tell us that it wasn't the 50s anymore I guess. :D:eyecrazy

Lee Stewart
07-07-2009, 06:12 PM
Looks like Sony doesn't agree with the OP:

http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/08q4_eleki.pdf

ack_bak
07-07-2009, 07:45 PM
Looks like Sony doesn't agree with the OP:

http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/08q4_eleki.pdf

Not if you count the PS3 as a BD player and the PS2 as a DVD player :thumbsup:

Lee Stewart
07-07-2009, 09:00 PM
Not if you count the PS3 as a BD player and the PS2 as a DVD player :thumbsup:

BFD - we all know (including the analysists) that PS3 owners don't buy many BD's.:haha:

And they are seperate line items in that link. ;)

Kosty
07-07-2009, 09:20 PM
That 3.5M Sony standalone Blu-ray player forecast is now months old and you have to add their 13 million additional forecasted PS3s for FY 2009 to the mix as well to be on topic here in this thread. Its from a legal filing so its probably conservative as well. :)

BTW thats for their 2009 fiscal year, starting in April.

MikeRox
07-09-2009, 06:08 AM
I am not missing the point. You are trying to inject speculation in a market that today is dominated by DVD players. And that new forecast was made AFTER the Fathers Day sale so they already saw $99 priced BD players.

If you can make a BD player and sell it at a profit for $99, then you can easily make a DVD player that sells for substantially less and make a profit.

Do you deliberately try to ignore long term prospects? Your second paragraph completely ignores the laws of manufacturing. Manufacturing costs suddenly hit a point where the new technology costs around the same to manufacture (and in the long term can become cheaper).

It's cheaper to manufacture a DVD player than a VHS player. With Blu-ray and DVD, at the moment, DVD components are very off the shelf, while Blu-ray requires more power and specialised components. In 2-3 years, that "more power" will be just as cheap to manufacture as the boards required in DVD players are now. It's happened with computer processors, you hit a point where savings don't happen anymore on older hardware, and the newer hardware aligns itself to a point where it's not longer viable to produce the older hardware on its own.

Lee Stewart
07-09-2009, 06:46 AM
Do you deliberately try to ignore long term prospects? Your second paragraph completely ignores the laws of manufacturing. Manufacturing costs suddenly hit a point where the new technology costs around the same to manufacture (and in the long term can become cheaper).

It's cheaper to manufacture a DVD player than a VHS player. With Blu-ray and DVD, at the moment, DVD components are very off the shelf, while Blu-ray requires more power and specialised components. In 2-3 years, that "more power" will be just as cheap to manufacture as the boards required in DVD players are now. It's happened with computer processors, you hit a point where savings don't happen anymore on older hardware, and the newer hardware aligns itself to a point where it's not longer viable to produce the older hardware on its own.

That is based on selling 10's of millions of players which DVD is doing today and BD has yet to do with even one 10 million.

This cock-eyed worship of; "if you build it they will come" doesn't take into account the cost of the discs - which are more expensive than DVD's. And there is NOTHING that says the studios are going to drop the D/D prices anytime soon.

Kosty
07-09-2009, 07:55 AM
There is a point where bill of material costs for the component drop and manufacturing efficiencies kick in. In the case of Blu-ray players the SoC design of them pretty much make them them modular assemblies and once the various components cost less they can be assembled for cheap.

Disc costs are already almost trivial for the studios , a tad more than than DVD but the Blu-ray premium is already covering that difference. Day and date will continue to be both DVD and Blu-ray for years, as both will be very profitable, but Blu-ray will gain share over time and retailers will have incentive to stock more catalog and older release Blu-ray titles over CD and DVD.

What you really miss though is the incentives for major brands and retailers to discontinue branded DVD player production once consumer behavior moves to Blu-ray adoption. Lots of incentives there for movement to only Blu-ray players for the major brands and leaving DVD hardware to the bottom feeding white box generic brands.

hatt
07-09-2009, 08:16 AM
This is still being discussed.:haha:

hatt's prediction:
Within one year, at least one major CEM will no longer offer a SAL DVD player.;)

Kosty
07-09-2009, 08:26 AM
This is still being discussed.:haha:

hatt's prediction:
Within one year, at least one major CEM will no longer offer a SAL DVD player.;) I would agree with that.

At CES this year, they were several that did not have any new DVD players in their 2009 lineup, only Blu-ray players, and those that did had them as expensive upconverting units whose market niche is being killed off by Blu-ray.

MikeRox
07-09-2009, 01:54 PM
That is based on selling 10's of millions of players which DVD is doing today and BD has yet to do with even one 10 million.

This cock-eyed worship of; "if you build it they will come" doesn't take into account the cost of the discs - which are more expensive than DVD's. And there is NOTHING that says the studios are going to drop the D/D prices anytime soon.

Studios havn't dropped D/D DVD prices either. For the ten billionth time, look at the MSRP, NOT how much Amazon et al sell them for.

As for the other points, give it time, it's not even so much volume as it is rapidly declining costs of technology.

DonnyDC
07-09-2009, 02:04 PM
As for the other points, give it time, it's not even so much volume as it is rapidly declining costs of technology.Especially since we already have a sub $100 player. Lee is the only one who cant seem to see costs going down.

And dont forget.. once the rallying cry for HDDVD supporters. 'The Chinese are coming!!!'
http://gizmodo.com/5221279/chinese-invasion-will-bring-99-blu+ray-players-this-christmas

hatt
07-09-2009, 02:29 PM
Especially since we already have a sub $100 player. Lee is the only one who cant seem to see costs going down.


But what about disc yields? Disc yields will never improve!:haha:

One thing we can be sure of is that if Lee predicts it the opposite is around the corner. I sure hope Lee doesn't predict an asteroid will NOT strike the Earth tomorrow at noon. I sure won't be able to sleep.

Lee Stewart
07-09-2009, 03:22 PM
Studios havn't dropped D/D DVD prices either. For the ten billionth time, look at the MSRP, NOT how much Amazon et al sell them for.

As for the other points, give it time, it's not even so much volume as it is rapidly declining costs of technology.

Look at the MSRP? OK.

Did Disney raise some of their MSRP's on their BD's? A simple yes or no will suffice.

HD Goofnut
07-09-2009, 03:23 PM
Look at the MSRP? OK.

Did Disney raise some of their MSRP's on their BD's? A simple yes or no will suffice.

But Disney's BD prices did NOT change on Amazon or Deep Discount even if the MSRP was altered.

bmore
07-09-2009, 03:30 PM
But Disney's BD prices did NOT change on Amazon or Deep Discount even if the MSRP was altered.

Don't bother. He has to find something to talk shit about. His laundry list of "I hate bluray" items are all but crossed out at this point. Like My Name is Earl. One by one.

Meanwhile myself and you will be enjoying new HD via bluray. Imagine that...instead of posting 30,000+ times about an "evil" technology on internet forums we actually take the time to enjoy said technology for what it offers - the best presentation of movies in the home thus far. You would think an HD addict would want the same....

Getting ready to watch "Oldboy" right now on bluray....we'll see how that goes.

Lee Stewart
07-09-2009, 03:38 PM
But Disney's BD prices did NOT change on Amazon or Deep Discount even if the MSRP was altered.

Guess you missed this from Mike:

look at the MSRP, NOT how much Amazon et al sell them for.

hatt
07-09-2009, 03:50 PM
But Disney's BD prices did NOT change on Amazon or Deep Discount even if the MSRP was altered.

Now that's a badass avatar.:thumbsup:

ack_bak
07-09-2009, 04:17 PM
But Disney's BD prices did NOT change on Amazon or Deep Discount even if the MSRP was altered.

Exactly. At the end of the day it is the street price that matters. When was the last time anyone here paid MSRP on a Blu-Ray disc? Seriously? I can honestly say that I have never, ever, paid MSRP on a Blu-Ray disc.

I just picked up "Batman Begins Limited Edition" BD for $14.xx shipped via Amazon (brand new). The MSRP is $49.99.....

HD Goofnut
07-09-2009, 04:50 PM
Now that's a badass avatar.:thumbsup:

Thanks. I laughed for a good 30 seconds when I saw it.

HD Goofnut
07-09-2009, 04:50 PM
Exactly. At the end of the day it is the street price that matters. When was the last time anyone here paid MSRP on a Blu-Ray disc? Seriously? I can honestly say that I have never, ever, paid MSRP on a Blu-Ray disc.

I just picked up "Batman Begins Limited Edition" BD for $14.xx shipped via Amazon (brand new). The MSRP is $49.99.....

I just picked up Big today at Best Buy for $16.99 and the MSRP is $29.99.

The_Omega_Man
07-10-2009, 01:53 AM
My local BB is still seeing some comparatively significant DVD player sales, despite the sales teams heavy marketing push for BD players.

The stacks of low cost (non-brand name) BD players are in the middle of the isle and I usually only see one or two missing from the stack each time I come in. The very low cost brand name DVD players still occupy both sides of the DVD players isle. :what:

hatt
07-10-2009, 02:44 AM
My local BB is still seeing some comparatively significant DVD player sales, despite the sales teams heavy marketing push for BD players.

The stacks of low cost (non-brand name) BD players are in the middle of the isle and I usually only see one or two missing from the stack each time I come in. The very low cost brand name DVD players still occupy both sides of the DVD players isle. :what:
Of course people in Cali aren't buying BD players. BB doesn't take IOUs.;)

And seeing how many players are missing from a stack is not a very scientific way to study such things as sales. Who knows, one of the guys working there may come around occasionally and add additional players to the stack when you're not watching the stack.

MikeRox
07-10-2009, 05:22 AM
But Disney's BD prices did NOT change on Amazon or Deep Discount even if the MSRP was altered.

Did Warner Bros, Fox, and several other studios not lower their prices on titles? They did over here anyway, by as much as 25%. This will likely occur again with the lowering of the AACS charges.

I do believe the Disney titles with higher prices also include the DVD and a Digital Copy?

But I more meant the prices of Day and Date DVDs compared with Day and Date Blu-rays. The difference here is negligible infact, some 2 disc editions with the fewer features than the Blu-ray version have higher prices, but most are the same. 1 disc editions then are a few quid/dollars cheaper, certainly no massive "150%" price difference etc that you like to sling in your apples to orange comparison of clearance DVDs vs brand new catalogue BD releases.

HD Goofnut
07-10-2009, 07:12 AM
Did Warner Bros, Fox, and several other studios not lower their prices on titles? They did over here anyway, by as much as 25%. This will likely occur again with the lowering of the AACS charges.

I do believe the Disney titles with higher prices also include the DVD and a Digital Copy?

But I more meant the prices of Day and Date DVDs compared with Day and Date Blu-rays. The difference here is negligible infact, some 2 disc editions with the fewer features than the Blu-ray version have higher prices, but most are the same. 1 disc editions then are a few quid/dollars cheaper, certainly no massive "150%" price difference etc that you like to sling in your apples to orange comparison of clearance DVDs vs brand new catalogue BD releases.

Yes, and it's extremely easy to beat the higher prices of the BD/DVD/DC releases such as Bolt and Marley and Me. Each week they were released Best Buy had them each for $25.99 and I had a $5 coupon each time. So paying $20.99 for three discs/three versions of the movie is really not bad at all.

kamspy
07-10-2009, 01:55 PM
*weeping sigh*


I agree with Lee Stewart. :censored

Even if they manage to move a bunch of player this year, the software still isn't going to move much until $19.99 is the common B&M price.

With the economy how it is, the masses aren't going to buy up $25 - $30 movies even if they got a BD player from Santa.

Kosty
07-10-2009, 04:00 PM
I just have faith in Wal-Mart to move stuff at retail. Selling the players first and then finding the optimum long term sales price for the software makes a lot of sense to me from a business standpoint.

Once you set a expectation of a certain price and breed into consumers DNA its value, its hard to step up the price higher again. So a mix of high and lower retail price points makes sense for a while. But software prices can drop literally overnight, especially with Wal-Mart, so when the time is deemed right, I can see that happening.

I see a default of a $5 premium for a Blu-ray version over the DVD version as being the Wal-Mart system basic model for Blu-ray for most of this year.

Kosty
07-10-2009, 11:01 PM
FWIW I just came back to from my local 24 Wal-Mart Supercenter. They have the Magnavox 500s on both an end cap today and on the shelf at $98.00. They received an additional shipment after Father's Day already sold through half and endcap and four additional units off the display shelf. They also sold a few Philips players, Samsungs and Sony players for over $200 since they placed the sale price on the Magnavox. Ran out of time before I could confirm the end of season status. The stocking staff then told me that they thought they just had the best few weeks ever that they had for Blu-ray players, even better than last Christmas. So we will see.

Kosty
07-10-2009, 11:02 PM
You know I did not check the endcap model numbers. They actually might have been the 530s as they were the newer arrivals. But I think the NB500MGX are the Wal-Mart version of the 500 series.

MikeRox
07-11-2009, 05:58 AM
*weeping sigh*


I agree with Lee Stewart. :censored

Even if they manage to move a bunch of player this year, the software still isn't going to move much until $19.99 is the common B&M price.

With the economy how it is, the masses aren't going to buy up $25 - $30 movies even if they got a BD player from Santa.

Once there is a bigger hardware base, B&M retailers will cut more off the MSRP on release. It's the retailers that price DVD so cheap on day of release, the actual MSRP of the product isn't much different to Blu-ray.

Kosty
07-11-2009, 11:57 AM
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8964178&type=product&id=1217029959586

Best Buy Insignia Blu-ray player $99. And so it begins.

The_Omega_Man
07-12-2009, 12:30 AM
Of course people in Cali aren't buying BD players. BB doesn't take IOUs.;)
Funny stuff!:lol: Especially, since there seem to be about a half a million dollars worth of brand new cars in the small (<50 car stalls) BB parking lot every time I go there!:what:

And seeing how many players are missing from a stack is not a very scientific way to study such things as sales. Scientific....um no! A potential indicator? Yes.

Who knows, one of the guys working there may come around occasionally and add additional players to the stack when you're not watching the stack.

Or not!..(:huhthose sneaky BB [email protected]@rds!:huh) I know several of the guys there (surprise)... and I do ask about the BD player and movie sales, when I go there. They tell me that BD in general is selling, but people are still buying SD DVD players and DVD movies in some quantity, significant enough for them to keep the shelves stocked. :what:

hatt
07-12-2009, 12:37 AM
Scientific....um no! A potential indicator? Yes.

Or not!..(:huhthose sneaky BB [email protected]@rds!:huh) I know several of the guys there (surprise)... and I do ask about the BD player and movie sales, when I go there. They tell me that BD in general is selling, but people are still buying SD DVD players and DVD movies in some quantity, significant enough for them to keep the shelves stocked. :what:
:confused: You said the BD players are not selling("I usually only see one or two missing from the stack each time I come in") but the BB employees are saying they're selling.

The_Omega_Man
07-12-2009, 03:46 AM
:confused: You said the BD players are not selling("I usually only see one or two missing from the stack each time I come in") but the BB employees are saying they're selling.
One or two is selling isn't it? :what: And I said "BD in general" is selling. That includes the media. ;)

hatt
07-12-2009, 07:13 AM
One or two is selling isn't it? :what: And I said "BD in general" is selling. That includes the media. ;)
No, selling one or two at BB is not selling.