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Best TV for watching football

Need Help
07-04-2005, 02:50 PM
I am looking to buy a rear projection tv and would like to spend less then $2,000. Can some of you who already own HDTVs give me our opinion on how they perform when watching a football game? Any help or recomendations would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

borromini
07-04-2005, 06:49 PM
Don't think you're going to get a definitive answer from one source since HDTVs don't have any particular football feature. As long as your source is HD and you have a widescreen TV, you should enjoy the game on any quality RPTV.

RSawdey
07-05-2005, 08:42 AM
Football is a high motion game & IMHO looks a lot better with a 720p progressive scan set & 720p source like ABC or ESPN. Smallest DLP & LCD RPTVs are just under $2k, with some shopping.

Need Help
07-05-2005, 03:26 PM
Thanks for the help. I was leaning toward the DLP but was worried about "the rainbow effect." Has anyone who owns a DLP had any issues during games? Thanks again.

kdog044
07-05-2005, 03:53 PM
Thanks for the help. I was leaning toward the DLP but was worried about "the rainbow effect." Has anyone who owns a DLP had any issues during games? Thanks again.Neither I or my family has ever seen a rainbow in the four months I've had my DLP.

unkster
07-05-2005, 03:57 PM
Go look at a DLP display in a store, and if you don't see the "rainbow effect" you most likely will never see it. I have a RCA DLP and knew nothing about the rainbow effect before purchase.This is a excellent set for HD and SD broadcasts, The HD sports broadcasts are awesome, regardless of what some other forum RCA bashers, who do not even own the sets have to say!!!!

PFC5
07-05-2005, 05:00 PM
Go look at a DLP display in a store, and if you don't see the "rainbow effect" you most likely will never see it. I have a RCA DLP and knew nothing about the rainbow effect before purchase.This is a excellent set for HD and SD broadcasts, The HD sports broadcasts are awesome, regardless of what some other forum RCA bashers, who do not even own the sets have to say!!!!

I noticed that everyone that has not owned anything RCA for multiple years seem to like to bash the RCA DLPs. I had sworn off RCA/GE products because of a problem with a GE DVD player that couldn't read dual layer DVDs about 6 years ago.

I got over it when I saw the RCA DLPs had the best HDTV picture I have seen yet.

unkster
07-05-2005, 05:17 PM
Thank you PFC5,, I agree with you 100%, RCA has been bashed in the past, and maybe justified, but I choose the RCA over Samsung, and other major brands because of PQ, and not price...I am still patting myself on the back 1year later............

docaudio
07-05-2005, 07:09 PM
RE: DLP rainbows
I've had a DLP RP tv now for about 2 months and the rainbow effect is VERY noticable under certain circumstances. I would say that you may never see it in a store. I have found that the darker the room, and the more contrasty the scene, the more you will see it. It is particularly bad if you are watching a very dark scene and your eye is moving from a bright or well lit object to another. I drives me nuts. I have to turn up the room lights and then that washes out the shadow detail - which is being handled very well by the projector. I have a LCD front projector at work - in a darkened room and it's great. I'm not sure I'd ever get another DLP.

RSawdey
07-06-2005, 03:16 PM
I've had my DLP for almost 2 years... I see rainbows occasionally, but they don't bug me...

Need Help
07-08-2005, 10:38 AM
Does anyone out there have a Sony KDF42WE655? I was curious about its performance for sports. I also heard the new Sonys (including the 42' KDF-E42A10) is coming out the end of this month. Anyone know if it would be worth waiting for or if it would have a better picture?

RSawdey
07-08-2005, 12:53 PM
Image is probably very similar, biggest difference is speakers on bottom, not sides.

LordGamer
07-08-2005, 12:58 PM
Does anyone out there have a Sony KDF42WE655? I was curious about its performance for sports. I also heard the new Sonys (including the 42' KDF-E42A10) is coming out the end of this month. Anyone know if it would be worth waiting for or if it would have a better picture?

The newer units are slimmer and have a black bezel. Though they apparently have lost one set of S-Video and composite inputs and no longer have Memory Stick ports.

I'm picking up the new 42" when it's release later this month.

rhino_horn
07-08-2005, 03:59 PM
Look into the JVC HD-ILA line-up. I think you will like what you see. They have gone away from the whole mirrors and lens concepts. They have a very tight pixel image also. I would put these in my top to think about list.

Also if you look at reviews on these sets don't be scared off by the factory recall some of them mention. This recall envolved only the first gen. of these sets and all is refined know.

phugoid
07-08-2005, 05:07 PM
i've had my new "50" Samsung HLP-5085(DLP) for 6 weeks now, and i havent noticed any "rainbow" effect. tho i did notice that in "dark" scenes, sometime peoples faces seemed to have what i would describe as "makeup splotches" (scene in "collateral" w j. fox and j. smith), and just yesterday i noticed something similar watching a yankee home game and the blue padding in the backgound seemed to be "rainbowing"???... but i just knew it was not a defect in the tv, so i played w some of the settings, used DYNAMIC color and now that fixed those "problems".
other than that im very happy w my DLP, and the HI-Def is great too!
but i still havent seen any football games on it yet, waiting on the season, and i cant wait to check out hockey games on it too....... :)

PFC5
07-08-2005, 06:30 PM
i've had my new "50" Samsung HLP-5085(DLP) for 6 weeks now, and i havent noticed any "rainbow" effect. tho i did notice that in "dark" scenes, sometime peoples faces seemed to have what i would describe as "makeup splotches" (scene in "collateral" w j. fox and j. smith), and just yesterday i noticed something similar watching a yankee home game and the blue padding in the backgound seemed to be "rainbowing"???... but i just knew it was not a defect in the tv, so i played w some of the settings, used DYNAMIC color and now that fixed those "problems".
other than that im very happy w my DLP, and the HI-Def is great too!
but i still havent seen any football games on it yet, waiting on the season, and i cant wait to check out hockey games on it too....... :)

That "makeup splotches" is called "Clay Face". It is part of the Samsung processing. I personally didn't like it, but I returned my Samsung because of the Lip-sync. I could have lived with the Clay Face, especially after what I went through with the 6 LG DLPs I tried.

Good Luck!

PFC5
07-09-2005, 12:01 PM
Look into the JVC HD-ILA line-up. I think you will like what you see. They have gone away from the whole mirrors and lens concepts. They have a very tight pixel image also. I would put these in my top to think about list.

Also if you look at reviews on these sets don't be scared off by the factory recall some of them mention. This recall envolved only the first gen. of these sets and all is refined know.

I don't understand the first paragraph "They have gone away from the whole mirrors and lens concepts."

ALL RPTVs have mirrors and lens. How could they not have them in a rear projection TV?

I have heard a lot of good things about the JVC DILA sets (except for black levels), but all the "professional reviews" seem to find many faults that always seem to include a lot of PQ issues. They seemed to look nice in the store to me, but that is what I said about the 6 LG DPLs I tried too.

I think LCOS/DILA is THE best technology out there right now and it has a lot of potential, but I don't think it is refined enough yet IMO. They better hurry because in a couple of years they will also be fighting SED TVs too. How come I can NEVER find a Contrast Ratio spec on them?

PFC5
07-09-2005, 12:13 PM
The newer units are slimmer and have a black bezel. Though they apparently have lost one set of S-Video and composite inputs and no longer have Memory Stick ports.

I'm picking up the new 42" when it's release later this month.

Another plus with the new Sony LCD RPTVS is that they changed the native resolution from 768p to 720p which means no internal scaling with the 720p HD signals that come into the TV. This has to improve the picture (at least in theory). It might be worse for the HTPC crowd though.

daleb
07-09-2005, 12:49 PM
Getting back to the original topic, good beer and good friends will win out over the display type, anytime! :thumbsup:

RSawdey
07-09-2005, 05:40 PM
Sorry Private, but the hardware res is the SAME on the new Sonys, 1366 x 768... the closest standard signal format is 720p.

PFC5
07-09-2005, 11:58 PM
Sorry Private, but the hardware res is the SAME on the new Sonys, 1366 x 768... the closest standard signal format is 720p.

I like that "private" comment. Sorry I am not a private, just my initials.

I thought it was the new Sony RPLCD TVs that were changing too, but apparently it is only the New Panasonics that changed the native resolution to 720p. Here is two links for the 2 new 44" & 61" Panasonic RP LCDs they just came out with. They are now 1280x720 resolution.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7071722&type=product&productCategoryId=cat03006&id=1110265592179
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7117844&type=product&productCategoryId=cat03006&id=1110265592351

I stand corrected.

PFC5
07-10-2005, 12:55 AM
I like that "private" comment. Sorry I am not a private, just my initials.

I thought it was the new Sony RPLCD TVs that were changing too, but apparently it is only the New Panasonics that changed the native resolution to 720p. Here is two links for the 2 new 44" & 61" Panasonic RP LCDs they just came out with. They are now 1280x720 resolution.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7071722&type=product&productCategoryId=cat03006&id=1110265592179
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7117844&type=product&productCategoryId=cat03006&id=1110265592351

I stand corrected.

I take that back. I don't stand corrected. Here is where I heard that the Sonys ALSO will be changing to 1280x720p resolution.

rhino_horn
07-10-2005, 12:15 PM
PFC5
I don't understand the first paragraph "They have gone away from the whole mirrors and lens concepts."

ALL RPTVs have mirrors and lens. How could they not have them in a rear projection TV?

I have heard a lot of good things about the JVC DILA sets (except for black levels), but all the "professional reviews" seem to find many faults that always seem to include a lot of PQ issues. They seemed to look nice in the store to me, but that is what I said about the 6 LG DPLs I tried too.


Ok, let me try to explain to the best of my ability.

The new JVC doesn't have any color tubes, or color wheels in them. They also do not have spinning refractor mirrors.

What they do have is these LCD color chips that the light passes through to provide the image. These color chips do not degrade over time, there is no moving parts to get out of allignment.

From what I understand the only service that this TV will ever need is a cleaning from time-to-time and a bulb change if it blows. That is of course if nothing major happens.

As far as PQ goes I love it. The colors are as bright and true as I could imagine (and that's straight outta the box) I only hear the cooling fan when everything else is off. I see no Rainbow or Screendoor effects and I have yet to notice any blotchy spots in dark scenes or lipsynch issues.

As far as the sound goes, I don't know, I don't listen to the sound from the set but I'm sure it is well made.

PFC5
07-10-2005, 12:31 PM
Ok, let me try to explain to the best of my ability.

The new JVC doesn't have any color tubes, or color wheels in them. They also do not have spinning refractor mirrors.

What they do have is these LCD color chips that the light passes through to provide the image. These color chips do not degrade over time, there is no moving parts to get out of allignment.

From what I understand the only service that this TV will ever need is a cleaning from time-to-time and a bulb change if it blows. That is of course if nothing major happens.

As far as PQ goes I love it. The colors are as bright and true as I could imagine (and that's straight outta the box) I only hear the cooling fan when everything else is off. I see no Rainbow or Screendoor effects and I have yet to notice any blotchy spots in dark scenes or lipsynch issues.

As far as the sound goes, I don't know, I don't listen to the sound from the set but I'm sure it is well made.

What I am saying is that the JVC Lcos/Dila DOES HAVE MIRRORS, and LENSES. Also the Lcos/Dila have REFLECTIVE panels, not the Pass Through panels like LCD does.

Don't get me wrong, LCOS has probably the most POTENTIAL of current technology, but it needs to be more refined still. I have YET to read a professional review that didn't have a lot of issues with them. But I thought they looked nice in the store.

Why don't they release the Contrast Ratio specs for them? It is because the ratio is lower than any other tech right now. I expect they will improve it as time goes on, but in a couple of years SED will be a NEW competitor that they will have to compete with. Who knows what will happen then. Every tech has tradeoffs right now.

Glad you like your TV, and I wish the best of luck with it.

rhino_horn
07-11-2005, 12:18 PM
http://www.crutchfieldadvisor.com/ISEO-rgbtcspd/learningcenter/home/tv_bigscreen.html?print=1&page=all (http://)

On the bottom of this page it shows how these sets work.

Are there mirrors yes. But they are fixed mirrors not spinning.

Also the Lcos/Dila have REFLECTIVE panels, not the Pass Through panels like LCD does.

Color is added in one of two ways. There are single-chip LCoS big-screens that use a color wheel, and 3-chip designs that don't, such as JVC's HD-ILA™ models. In place of a color wheel, 3-chip designs (both LCoS and LCD) use an elaborate light path employing "beam-splitters" (see animation below).

Go to the link above and you will see an animation of how these sets are like LCD sets.

rhino_horn
07-11-2005, 12:20 PM
If link does not work paste and if will.

PFC5
07-11-2005, 01:46 PM
http://www.crutchfieldadvisor.com/ISEO-rgbtcspd/learningcenter/home/tv_bigscreen.html?print=1&page=all (http://)

On the bottom of this page it shows how these sets work.

Are there mirrors yes. But they are fixed mirrors not spinning.





Go to the link above and you will see an animation of how these sets are like LCD sets.

What TVs have "spinning" mirrors? The DLPs have micro mirrors that switch on and off like the switches in your CPU. From EVERYTHING I have read they are VERY dependable. I have heard much more about dead pixels in LCD panels that a stuck mirror in a DLP chip. The only extra thing moving in the DLPs over LCD is the color wheel, and I decided the tradeoff against dead pixels AND fading in LCD panels was worth it.

The DLPs looked sharper, and when the bulb is replaced, they are as good as new. No PQ degrading like you would have with LCD. LCOS is to new to know right now how they will hold up, but I assume they will hold up better than LCD panels.

The DLPs have the best black/contrast ratio levels with the exception of CRTs. Lcos comes in last when it comes to black levels. THAT is why they do not publish Contrast Ratios for them. I have not seen the CR stated ANYWHERE.

Like I said before, LCOS is the most "promising" technology out there right now, but I think they WILL get better and be the ONES to beat in a couple of years, unless SED comes out and meets 75% of the claims already made about it.

LordGamer
07-11-2005, 02:56 PM
Sorry Private, but the hardware res is the SAME on the new Sonys, 1366 x 768... the closest standard signal format is 720p.


I take that back. I don't stand corrected. Here is where I heard that the Sonys ALSO will be changing to 1280x720p resolution.

You're both, right (or wrong, depending on how you look at the glass ;) ).

Even more impressive than the fresh cabinet design is Sony's crisp HD picture quality. Compared to enhanced definition televisions and other technologies, the Grand WEGA TVs deliver natural color reproduction and exceptional brightness levels due to 3LCD technology with 1280 x 720 native 720p resolution. Additionally, since 3LCD technology simultaneously projects three full-time red, green and blue images, there is no color breakup or "rainbow effect" that may cause eyestrain or visual fatigue.


Along with the WEGA Engine™ system exclusive circuitry technology, these new models also deliver excellent contrast with Sony's Cinema Black Pro technology. This process enables the displays' advanced iris shutter to automatically open and close according to the incoming signal level. This creates brighter whites and better contrast in dark scenes.


The other new Grand WEGA models -- the KDF-E55A20 (55-inch) and KDF-E60A20 (60-inch) -- utilize a proprietary LCD Optical Engine with Sony's WEGA Engine™ system to deliver detailed picture quality from any compatible video source by minimizing the digital-to-analog conversion process. These models also incorporate 3LCD panel technology and deliver 1366 x 768 screen resolution, which is more than a native 720p capability.

It would seem the 42" and 50" sets are 720p and the bigger models (55" and 60") maintain the 1366x768 resolution.

http://news.sel.sony.com/pressrelease/5980