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SONY Bravia KDL-46S5100

zip2play
06-16-2009, 07:52 AM
This SONY KDL-46S5100 is the latest super-sale item at TARGET this week. I've been eyeing it for a while at $100 more.
Has anyone bought this model? Do you like it? Any pros or cons?

I know that SONY often uses a different model number for sets that go to big discount houses. Does anyone have any info on essentially the same model with a DIFFERENT model number.

That price of $1199 is hard to resist although it's a 50-50 crapshoot as to whether or not my local stores have it in stock. I often suspect "bait and switch" or just incompetence from my local Target.
In any case, they are very often out of electronic items and "no raincheck on that item!" Frustrating.

Any opinions on the set welcome!

Loves2Watch
06-16-2009, 09:03 AM
Have you looked at or even considered a plasma TV? You can get a 50" Panasonic for just about the same price. I believe plasma to be a superior technology, it delivers a better picture, long term reliability and costs less in the larger screen sizes. Also viewing angles and motion blur are not problems with plasma TV's but they are difficulties common to LCD displays.

Not trying to change your mind or dump on your thread, just wanted you to have this info so you can be a more informed consumer.

Hope this helps.

numan2good
06-16-2009, 10:54 AM
This SONY KDL-46S5100 is the latest super-sale item at TARGET this week. I've been eyeing it for a while at $100 more.
Has anyone bought this model? Do you like it? Any pros or cons?

I know that SONY often uses a different model number for sets that go to big discount houses. Does anyone have any info on essentially the same model with a DIFFERENT model number.

That price of $1199 is hard to resist although it's a 50-50 crapshoot as to whether or not my local stores have it in stock. I often suspect "bait and switch" or just incompetence from my local Target.
In any case, they are very often out of electronic items and "no raincheck on that item!" Frustrating.

Any opinions on the set welcome!

hello zip2play
well of course i will also advice for plasma as to have a new technology by spending same amount of money.....
but Sony is not a bad choice buddy
http://www.nextag.com/SONY-Bravia-KDL-46S5100-649127375/prices-html
just have a look of comparison of prices here so that you can find the Sony with best price.
BUT if i were you i will go for SAMSUNG if i have to buy the LCD..:what:

zip2play
06-17-2009, 07:15 AM
I absolutely cannot live with the mirrored reflections from a PLASMA screen. It would drive me bonkers. I hated it with old cathode ray jobs and it looks even worse on a big screen plasma.
Heck, even SONY and SAMSUNG LCD's have too much reflection for my liking and that's what has prevented my buying one in the past but they just seem to have nicer pictures than the matte unreflective sets like the Phillips, older Sharps, and Visios. (I have a 37 inch Magnavox which show NO reflections... but Phillips and Magnavox all come with the weird audio output...for analog sound you have to use a headphone jack, and I want stereo output from RCA jacks...into an old Pro-Logic receiver without using a splitter cable.)

Curiously, Target HAS two plasma 50 inchers right next to the SONY, one a Panny the other, I forget. I noticed something I have never noticed before...at a relatively extreme side angle the Plasmas really look quite dismally dark compared to the much brighter LCD. Is very poor viewing to the sides common with plasmas?

Thanks for your responses, guys...much appeciated.

Loves2Watch
06-17-2009, 09:53 AM
Actually plasma TV's have a much wider angle of view than ANY LCD TV. Pretty much the same material is used on the front panels of LCD's and plasmas so reflections would be about the same.

Comparing technologies (LCD, plasma) in a store with high intensity lighting id the absolute worst environment you could be in.

The best thing to do, if you can is compare technologies in a home environment or an environment with similar lighting. Once you see a plasma in the home, you will be amazed...

zip2play
06-19-2009, 07:41 AM
Pretty much the same material is used on the front panels of LCD's and plasmas so reflections would be about the same.

Thanks for the response, but in truth the reflections off a plasma screen are hideously more noticeable than that of ANY LCD screen, even the most reflective like the SONY and SAMSUNG. I have looked at hundreds of screens judging exactly that characteristic and my vision is quite good. There just is no honest comparison between the two, they are orders of magnitude apart.

As for "pretty much the same material is used on the front panel" I do not know, but I SERIOUSLY doubt that because LCD screens look and feel like pebbled plastic and plasma screens LOOK and feel like polished glass.

I have had a reflective set in my house, a 30 inc cathode ray set...I hated the reflection and had to watch in the dark. During the daytime I had to pull the drapes shut.

numan2good
06-19-2009, 11:06 AM
Thanks for the response, but in truth the reflections off a plasma screen are hideously more noticeable than that of ANY LCD screen, even the most reflective like the SONY and SAMSUNG. I have looked at hundreds of screens judging exactly that characteristic and my vision is quite good. There just is no honest comparison between the two, they are orders of magnitude apart.

As for "pretty much the same material is used on the front panel" I do not know, but I SERIOUSLY doubt that because LCD screens look and feel like pebbled plastic and plasma screens LOOK and feel like polished glass.

I have had a reflective set in my house, a 30 inc cathode ray set...I hated the reflection and had to watch in the dark. During the daytime I had to pull the drapes shut.

hello zip2play
well don't get a plasma if you are not satisfied...its all up to you...
but if you want an LCD go for samsung and made choice of model according to your need from samsung...because samsung is the best LCD mfg till now.

zip2play
06-20-2009, 07:07 AM
Thanks numan,
Of course Samsung is always right on the periphery of choices for me but they always seem to be priced just a LITTLE too much higher than the competition. I know that most Samsung owners are usually quite happpy and even my sister praises hers, one she has had for a couple years...a 46 incher that cost her $3700 (gasp!) They have always commanded a premium price, that seems to run about $300 or more today in the larger sizes.

I hadn't meant for this thread to turn into a Plasma vs. LCD discussion. I asked about whether anyone had any first hand knowledge of a particular LCD set, the SONY 46S5100 and was rather bemused why I got the "gotta get a plasma" responses.
Getting a plasma scrreen has been for a LONG time the farthest thing from my mind becasue of the one issue...that awful mirrorlike reflective screen.

Perhaps if I seek advice I should always specify "but not plasma." :D

Loves2Watch
06-20-2009, 10:05 AM
Since you stated any opinions welcome...

Anyway, that Sony does look very, very good although I have only seen and played with the settings on the display floor it was quite nice. It would be a nice choice. I also recommend that you look at the new line of Panasonic LCD TV's as they have gotten exceptional reviews and are giving even the best LCD displays a run for their money. I was truly impressed with them. Their 46" model is probably the best PQ wise I have seen to date.


Did that help?

zip2play
06-24-2009, 07:48 AM
Did that help?

Yes it did...thank you.

daleb
06-24-2009, 08:14 AM
Plasma is better overall especially when you get into larger screen sizes.

numan2good
06-24-2009, 10:05 AM
Plasma is better overall especially when you get into larger screen sizes.

no doubt about that!!!

zip2play
06-25-2009, 08:45 AM
Plasma is better overall especially when you get into larger screen sizes.

Yep, as long as it's nighttime and you have all the lights off. Otherwise you will se a lamp or a window clearly in the middle of your lovely large screen.

It amazes me how people could compare MINUTIAE when discussiing a TV picture yet ignore the clear mirrored reflection of their own faces superimposed over a movie.

This week I compared closely. In the most unfleflective Vizio I saw a slight gauzy image the approximate shape of my head if I looked hard. In the most reflective SONY and SAMSUNG LCDs I could recognize myself vaguely. In a PANASONIC Plasma I could count my crows feet.

How do you people IGNORE those reflections on a plasma screen? Do you make believe they're not there? It's beyond me how someone could see the subtlest diffence between the blackest black and a very similar black black but not see his face staring back in the mirrored surface during every dark scene.:confused:

Really, I'd like to know...don't you SEE the reflections that I see? Can you mentally blot them out? Or do you watch in the dark?

Loves2Watch
06-25-2009, 08:53 AM
Yep, as long as it's nighttime and you have all the lights off. Otherwise you will se a lamp or a window clearly in the middle of your lovely large screen.

It amazes me how people could compare MINUTIAE when discussiing a TV picture yet ignore the clear mirrored reflection of their own faces superimposed over a movie.

This week I compared closely. In the most unfleflective Vizio I saw a slight gauzy image the approximate shape of my head. In the most reflective SONY and SAMSUNG LCDs I could recognize myself vaguely. In a PANASONIC Plasma I could count my crows feet!

How do you people IGNORE those reflections on a plasma screen? Do you make believe they're not there? It's beyond me how someone could see the subtlest diffence between the blackest black and a very similar black black but not see his face staring back in the mirrored surface during every dark scene.:confused:

Really, I'd like to know...don't you SEE the reflections that I see? Can you mentally blot them out? Or do you watch in the dark?

Again, in a store with lighting much brighter than it would be in your home, I'm sure the glare and reflections are more visible but once in your home environment things look a bit different. My plasma is a fairly brightly lit room and I see no reflections, none at all. Much of that depends on how bright the light source is and the direction it is coming from. If you saw one in your home, you might just change your opinion.

But listen, I'm not trying to talk you out of anything, just stating some observations. Everyone who I have discussed plasma with and has chosen it over LCD has been thoroughly pleased and most if not all ecstatic about their choice...

numan2good
06-25-2009, 10:40 AM
Again, in a store with lighting much brighter than it would be in your home, I'm sure the glare and reflections are more visible but once in your home environment things look a bit different. My plasma is a fairly brightly lit room and I see no reflections, none at all. Much of that depends on how bright the light source is and the direction it is coming from. If you saw one in your home, you might just change your opinion.

But listen, I'm not trying to talk you out of anything, just stating some observations. Everyone who I have discussed plasma with and has chosen it over LCD has been thoroughly pleased and most if not all ecstatic about their choice...

exactly bro
it makes a lot difference when you see it in stores and in home...although our home did not have that much of light reflection than stores do.Bro its only what you see.just give it a try or ask those who gave it a try....

PFC5
06-25-2009, 01:22 PM
Yep, as long as it's nighttime and you have all the lights off. Otherwise you will se a lamp or a window clearly in the middle of your lovely large screen.

It amazes me how people could compare MINUTIAE when discussiing a TV picture yet ignore the clear mirrored reflection of their own faces superimposed over a movie.

This week I compared closely. In the most unfleflective Vizio I saw a slight gauzy image the approximate shape of my head if I looked hard. In the most reflective SONY and SAMSUNG LCDs I could recognize myself vaguely. In a PANASONIC Plasma I could count my crows feet.

How do you people IGNORE those reflections on a plasma screen? Do you make believe they're not there? It's beyond me how someone could see the subtlest diffence between the blackest black and a very similar black black but not see his face staring back in the mirrored surface during every dark scene.:confused:

Really, I'd like to know...don't you SEE the reflections that I see? Can you mentally blot them out? Or do you watch in the dark?

I do more watching at might myself, and if i watch during the day i just close the wood blinds I have. I have 3 windows behind the seating position that are opposite the display which would give the most glare with that setup, but I have no issue since I just close the blinds myself and if i want the room brighter, I just turn the lights in the room on. I have track lighting so they do not reflect off the screen to the seating position. I did this because even with the matte LCD screens the reflection is still there, but is a blur of light if directly reflecting back on a plasma you will have this with a matte screen LCD.

The best LCD displays also use glass to improve the PQ, but still fall far short of plasmas with viewing angles and black levels. As I have said before, if someone wants a LCD then they should get it, but we are trying to explain the PQ improvement plasmas have over LCDs so people can make an informed decision. That is what we do here, so people have the facts and can THEN make up their OWN minds.

As has been said many many times, comparing the black levels and viewing angles in those ultra bright stores does NOT show what a differnce in PQ there will likely be in most homes because most people do not have sodium gas lamps in their home.

I tried to look for the poor black levels & viewing angles that I saw at home but never see in those ultra bright stores so I made sure to try to noticed them when i picked out my bedroom 47" 1080p LCD and those issues were barely noticeable in those bright stores. Once i got it home I noticed the same issues despite looking for them in the store, but i couldn't see them there.

I also bought the 50" Panasonic plasma about 6 months after the LCDfor the main HT room and the difference is quite dramatic with the plasma blowing away the LCD in a dimly lit room and especially during dark scenes. On bright scenes the difference is much less noticeable between then. Ever wonder WHY the stores always show bright scenes on the screens?

If you never compared them in typical home lighting, then you do not know what you are missing, but 40+ people who have seen them both with the same material being shown have ALL chosen the PQ of the plasma over the LCD, and most are shocked about the PQ difference, and this is whith BOTH being calibrated. Now with the lights out and watching a darker movie on the LCD....Forget it. Under this lighting and with such darker material the LCD just looks so washed out in comparison.

Hey listen. If you think moving the lights around or blocking the windows is a problem with you then get a LCD and live with the limitations of LCD and you will likely never know how much better it can look if you bought a plasma. Ignorance is bliss as they say. ;)

We just try to provide ALL the info so people can make an INFORMED choice and once they make it we hope they enjoy their new toy. I own both and se the difference so I am not happy with where current LCD tech is, but that is because I have BOTH in my home and see what the PQ difference is in home lighting.

BTW, Toshiba stopped making plasmas a couple of years ago, so that Toshiba "plasma" with the poor viewing angles in the store was most definitely a LCD not a plasma. ;)

zip2play
06-26-2009, 08:00 AM
We just try to provide ALL the info so people can make an INFORMED choice.

What, in fact, the plasma people generally do is to refute straw dog arguments like gas escaping, viewing settings and the annoying old saw...you can't tell plasma is good til you BUY it and take it home, while ignoring real ones. Oh yeah, I forgot "they're not as energy inefficient as most people think" or "they don't 'burn in' as much as people think."

Yes, plasma is a good technology IF one can eliminate all reflective issues as you have. Yes, a darkened theater at night with all lamps mounted in the ceiling with blinds tightly pulled is a plasma option, but a tedious and perhaps expensive one to achieve, perhaps requiring home renovation. Few of us have such a theater setup. If I had such a setup I would look hard at a plasma choice. But for real people with real windows and real lamps on tables, plasma is not the way to go...witness sales of 8 to 1 in favor of LCD.

One doesn't need a sodium arc light to make a reflection in a plasma screen. In fact any image that is visible in a mirror in whatever light you are using will be almost as clearly shown in a plasma screen with a black background. Try it sometime!

To paraphrase a real-estate acorn: plasma screens stink because of three things: reflection, reflection, and reflection. If one needs a fourth, it's reflection.

Loves2Watch
06-26-2009, 08:23 AM
We just try to provide ALL the info so people can make an INFORMED choice.

What, in fact, the plasma people generally do is to refute straw dog arguments like gas escaping, viewing settings and the annoying old saw...you can't tell plasma is good til you BUY it and take it home, while ignoring real ones. Oh yeah, I forgot "they're not as energy inefficient as most people think" or "they don't 'burn in' as much as people think."

Yes, plasma is a good technology IF one can eliminate all reflective issues as you have. Yes, a darkened theater at night with all lamps mounted in the ceiling with blinds tightly pulled is a plasma option, but a tedious and perhaps expensive one to achieve, perhaps requiring home renovation. Few of us have such a theater setup. If I had such a setup I would look hard at a plasma choice. But for real people with real windows and real lamps on tables, plasma is not the way to go...witness sales of 8 to 1 in favor of LCD.

One doesn't need a sodium arc light to make a reflection in a plasma screen. In fact any image that is visible in a mirror in whatever light you are using will be almost as clearly shown in a plasma screen with a black background. Try it sometime!

To paraphrase a real-estate acorn: plasma screens stink because of three things: reflection, reflection, and reflection. If one needs a fourth, it's reflection.

First of all you don't need to remove all light from a room, that is a fallacy. I watch my plasma in a fairly brightly lit room. You keep going on and on about reflection yet it is not as great a problem as you are making it out to be. It is certainly less than it was with a CRT. If you had a CRT TV in the area you are putting a plasma in, you will be just fine.

I'm sorry you hate plasma technology so much, that is truly a shame but many of your arguments are invalid.

The sales figures you mention have nothing to do with the quality of one technology over the other but rather the limited number of manufacturers of plasma TV's and the pushing of LCD's by salesman due to incentives and their under education with the technology.

daleb
06-26-2009, 10:03 AM
First of all you don't need to remove all light from a room, that is a fallacy. I watch my plasma in a fairly brightly lit room. You keep going on and on about reflection yet it is not as great a problem as you are making it out to be. It is certainly less than it was with a CRT. If you had a CRT TV in the area you are putting a plasma in, you will be just fine.

I'm sorry you hate plasma technology so much, that is truly a shame but many of your arguments are invalid.

The sales figures you mention have nothing to do with the quality of one technology over the other but rather the limited number of manufacturers of plasma TV's and the pushing of LCD's by salesman due to incentives and their under education with the technology.

Well said!

Still I keep the floodlights behind my seating turned off when I watch. :D

numan2good
06-26-2009, 11:05 AM
Well said!

Still I keep the floodlights behind my seating turned off when I watch. :D

:lol:

PFC5
06-26-2009, 08:53 PM
We just try to provide ALL the info so people can make an INFORMED choice.

What, in fact, the plasma people generally do is to refute straw dog arguments like gas escaping, viewing settings and the annoying old saw...you can't tell plasma is good til you BUY it and take it home, while ignoring real ones. Oh yeah, I forgot "they're not as energy inefficient as most people think" or "they don't 'burn in' as much as people think."

Yes, plasma is a good technology IF one can eliminate all reflective issues as you have. Yes, a darkened theater at night with all lamps mounted in the ceiling with blinds tightly pulled is a plasma option, but a tedious and perhaps expensive one to achieve, perhaps requiring home renovation. Few of us have such a theater setup. If I had such a setup I would look hard at a plasma choice. But for real people with real windows and real lamps on tables, plasma is not the way to go...witness sales of 8 to 1 in favor of LCD.

One doesn't need a sodium arc light to make a reflection in a plasma screen. In fact any image that is visible in a mirror in whatever light you are using will be almost as clearly shown in a plasma screen with a black background. Try it sometime!

To paraphrase a real-estate acorn: plasma screens stink because of three things: reflection, reflection, and reflection. If one needs a fourth, it's reflection.

First of all you don't need to remove all light from a room, that is a fallacy. I watch my plasma in a fairly brightly lit room. You keep going on and on about reflection yet it is not as great a problem as you are making it out to be. It is certainly less than it was with a CRT. If you had a CRT TV in the area you are putting a plasma in, you will be just fine.

I'm sorry you hate plasma technology so much, that is truly a shame but many of your arguments are invalid.

The sales figures you mention have nothing to do with the quality of one technology over the other but rather the limited number of manufacturers of plasma TV's and the pushing of LCD's by salesman due to incentives and their under education with the technology.

L2W covered the points i will say except that plasma is not just "good" technology. It is currently the BEST technology for flat panels and all the pro reviews that ALWAYS have plasmas beating LCD proves this, and usually the only LCDs that can even get fairly close in PQ to a plasma cost 2x (or more) the money compared to that plasma, AND the LCD still has viewing angle issues despite paying 2x the price.

If you want to hate plasma then by all means get a LCD. No one is stopping you, but when you come here posting incorrect info please know that it WILl be corrected. The reason it is corrected is because if it is left unchallenged, then someone will believe that false info when they read the post with the false info.

No one is intending to hurt your feelings or argue with you, but this site is to help others make INFORMED decisions and that means correcting false info. ;)

steve3050
06-27-2009, 07:40 PM
exactly bro
it makes a lot difference when you see it in stores and in home...although our home did not have that much of light reflection than stores do.Bro its only what you see.just give it a try or ask those who gave it a try.... http://www.imagefrost.com/img/io/iy.gif

good point observed...are your a movie director ?:banana:

numan2good
06-29-2009, 03:09 PM
good point observed...are your a movie director ?:banana:

really tell me about it!!..:huh
Bro no one is anything here ..just here to help others in the best possible way we can.That's what the forums are for.

zip2play
06-29-2009, 07:37 PM
Still I keep the floodlights behind my seating turned off when I watch.


With Plasma, you'd best turn off any night lights as well...and wear black. But hey, at least the gas doesn't leak out.:yippee:

The reflectivity of plasma is HORRENDOUS and anyone who cannot see the vivid reflections has a SEVERE problem with eyesight.

But thanks for sticking to the original topic guys...are any of you SELLING plasma sets, or more likely NOT selling them?

PFC5
06-29-2009, 07:57 PM
Enjoy your LCD! :hithere:

See. I didn't say "plasma". oops (this is a joke) ;)

Jekl
06-29-2009, 08:54 PM
Wow this is a really fun thread...

I have a 50" Samsung Plasma in my living room and this very 46" LCD in my bedroom, I prefer the sony for a number of reasons. since sometime in the 60s sony has dominated the television market, they made a decision in the early part of this century to not continue making plasma televisions, I have to assume they had a good reason for this, most likely because they are aware that OLED will render plasma obsolete.

I have walked outside and watched my meter spin like a top when the plasma tv is on, I can feel the heat come off of it when I walk by it and it is on the lowest light setting. It does in fact have a tremendous glare. but yes, all the neighbors are impressed by the plasma..... whatever your priorities are, I prefer the lcd, but you have to get whatever YOU want, regardless of the fanboy attitudes. at the end of the day, it's just a television, it doesn't define you.

;)

PFC5
06-29-2009, 09:41 PM
Welcome to the forum! :hithere:

How old is your plasma & how old is your LCD? Comparing an older model of one tech to the new model of the other tech is not a fair comparison since they have BOTH come a long way in the last 2-3 years.

OLED is likely to make BOTH LCD & plasma obsolete at some point, but that will be a few years away IMO. Heck Sony wants $2500.00 for the only OLED available to buy right now and that is only an 11" screen on that model. No one else has released an OLED display yet and the costs will have to come down a lot on the cost per inch based on the cost of that 11" model Sony is selling (more as a concept unit than a mass market product). :eek:

I am glad you have so much faith in SOny but i personally do not share that "faith". I think they (along with Samsung) make some of the best LCDs out there, but they also made that decision to stop making consumer plasmas (they still make commercial plasmas AFAIK), basically because they relied on their SXRD RPTVs to handle the larger sizes initially and they did not have need a third option then. I believe it is simply a business decision they made rather than a techinical decision. I say this since in nearly every pro review comparing the LCD vs plasma of comparable model levels, the plasma nearly always comes out on top for a reason.

If you had the plasma on the "lowest light setting" then I would say it is likely unwatchable, as this would true of nearly all displays, if you put the contrast at the lowest setting. We do not know what model plasma you have or the year of it, but Samsung has probably improved the most of all plasma mfg over the last 2-3 years, but they were much further behind previous to this, so they are right up there with the latest models they sell now.

I do agree that people should get what they prefer though, and we just try to make all the facts known so they can make an INFORMED decision knowing the pros/cons of both techs, since they BOTH have some cons. ;)

Jekl
06-30-2009, 03:43 AM
Welcome to the forum! :hithere:

How old is your plasma & how old is your LCD? Comparing an older model of one tech to the new model of the other tech is not a fair comparison since they have BOTH come a long way in the last 2-3 years.


I'm not at home at the moment, so I can't tell you the model number of the plasma, but I got it last summer, and the lcd, I got last week. (which is why I can remember the model number).

the plasma has a great picture, I just don't personally feel like it justifies the massive amount of electricity it uses in comparison to the lcd. I am curious as to how the new samsung led/lcd tvs look, but as yet have only seen advertisements, haven't seen the actual tv.

daleb
06-30-2009, 08:13 AM
If you enjoy your LCDs go for it! All newer displays have improved in just a short time. They all have 'established' pros and cons. But apparently some find others based on their own perception. No big deal.

We were visiting this past weekend, and our host had a recent 40" Samsung LCD. And quite frankly, it was a very nice display. Considering it never had any professional calibration, not the latest motion processing, and non-LED..I thought the picture was very good. Definitely good value for all around viewing.
But to say the best picture equaled a plasma would be a stretch..although certainly better than what I've seen in the past for LCD in general.

If I were buying a big screen today, it would be a Kuro. I can't imagine an alternative. Of course, I would need to use my massive power plant for the huge energy demand ..:D

PFC5
06-30-2009, 11:07 AM
I'm not at home at the moment, so I can't tell you the model number of the plasma, but I got it last summer, and the lcd, I got last week. (which is why I can remember the model number).

the plasma has a great picture, I just don't personally feel like it justifies the massive amount of electricity it uses in comparison to the lcd. I am curious as to how the new samsung led/lcd tvs look, but as yet have only seen advertisements, haven't seen the actual tv.

Since it is a last year model for the plasma I can say you are NOT using a "massive amount of electricity" to run it, unless you have the contrast near 100%. On my Panasonic plasma last year model, I only have the Contrast at 58% and that is calibrated.

High energy use with plasmas is one of the myths with plasmas. We have threads about this here as well. For the same screen size with both display types adjusted properly, the power is virtually the same, and the current Panasonic plasmas are probably lower except against the LED models. All recent plasmas are probably using about the same power (or less) as a 36" CRT tube used, but we are comparing a 50" plasma angainst that 36" screen. :hithere:

Jekl
06-30-2009, 03:04 PM
Since it is a last year model for the plasma I can say you are NOT using a "massive amount of electricity" to run it, unless you have the contrast near 100%. On my Panasonic plasma last year model, I only have the Contrast at 58% and that is calibrated.

High energy use with plasmas is one of the myths with plasmas. We have threads about this here as well. For the same screen size with both display types adjusted properly, the power is virtually the same, and the current Panasonic plasmas are probably lower except against the LED models. All recent plasmas are probably using about the same power (or less) as a 36" CRT tube used, but we are comparing a 50" plasma angainst that 36" screen. :hithere:

well, ok sure, maybe "massive" is a bit of an exaggeration, but I did say compared to my lcd. at any rate whatever the product, more heat production means more electricity usage, and certainly plasma creates heat. I don't think it is going to crank out million dollar electricity bills (exaggerating again) but it will be higher than that of a comparable lcd.

on a very personal level, I could give a crap about the electricity, but, there are those people that are more concerned than I about the earth or something. I just don't care much for the heat.

PFC5
06-30-2009, 05:23 PM
well, ok sure, maybe "massive" is a bit of an exaggeration, but I did say compared to my lcd. at any rate whatever the product, more heat production means more electricity usage, and certainly plasma creates heat. I don't think it is going to crank out million dollar electricity bills (exaggerating again) but it will be higher than that of a comparable lcd.

on a very personal level, I could give a crap about the electricity, but, there are those people that are more concerned than I about the earth or something. I just don't care much for the heat.

I agree that some people do care quite a bit about lowering electrical usage. I care myself but it is not the deciding factor for unless it used a lot more which it does not.

I agree that where there is heat (or cold) there is more power used, BUT, my plasma releases the heat from the top through convection, while my LCD releases heat through the screen AND the top since it doesn't have a glass panel and my 47" LCD gives of slightly more heat, but I did not measure it other than how hot each room gets, with the benefit of the doubt going to the LCD room since it has a cathedral ceiling that would push the heat to the much higher ceiling. ;)

There have been numerous tests done on this power difference. CNET did a bad job but if you examine HOW they did their tests and look at certain model plasmas (who do not come in the default torch mode) then you can see that the same size screens for both are about equal in power consumption with plasma even using a little less power. That is the problem when they rate plasma at "out of the box torch mode" settings only used in the ultra bright stores they do not accurately measure real world power consumption.

FYI. Plasma uses more energy when displaying bright scenes, and much much less with darker scenes. LCD actually uses a little MORE power when displaying dark scenes since it uses more electricity to twist the crystals to try to block the constant light level coming from the backlit lamp. Because of them using more power on opposite scene types, it is easy to see any test for power consumption (like that CNET testing) skews the results of this testing. ;)

Because of this improper testing method it skews the results and perpetuates the more power myth with plasmas. Add to that the fact that in prior years LCDs were not available in screen sizes close to plasmas (and therefore an unfair comparison) in size this also skewed the results.

Bottom line. With equal size screens and properly adjusted/calibrated displays, the power (and heat) levels are insignificant. This is NOT opinion but fact! ;)

Diamond
06-30-2009, 10:31 PM
Sony is a good brand for lcd tv and KDL-46S5100 is a good set to get.
The SD channels look OK, HD channels are pretty good.

zip2play
07-04-2009, 07:27 AM
Thanks Jekl for the first hand review of the SONY S5100 and same to Diamond.
When next Target returns to the $1199 price, I'll snap one up. The more I look at it the more I like it.

I'd already have the set except for a major kerfuffle with Comcast/Verizon which threw all decsion making about another new set into the meat grinder for a couple weeks.