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Can't get Plasma -so is this a good deal?

Rspencer 53
06-08-2009, 07:04 PM
Well, after showing my picture of our family room and the windows on this forum, it was suggested that the room was too bright for a plasma. So, wanting to get a 50" or higher LCD and for less than $1500, I started looking. I went to Sears and they have a floor model Sony KDL 52V4100 for $1199 less 10% off so I will be looking at $1020. Since I know little about LCD's is this a good deal or should I look somewhere else. Although the TV was on during the day, it was on a column so kids fingers didn't play with it.

Any and all suggestions would be appreciated.

daleb
06-08-2009, 07:54 PM
So far Samsung & the topline Sony LCDs come the closest to the black levels needed for viewing movies at darker rooms, or at night.
Based on your budget there are some very nice LCDs in the lower end too. Great color, but black level will be disappointing for movie addicts.

For daylight viewing they will be fine. The Samsungs tend to be more restrictive with regards to viewing angles, but no LCD is very good in that aspect.
Most displays can pivot some for angled viewing (of course, only one side at a time:).

Personally, ambient lighting would have to be pretty bad before I gave up my main display (plasma). The trade-off would be better viewing at night when I put in the most viewing hours anyway.

silvercorvette
06-08-2009, 09:05 PM
I just hooked up a VIZIO this morning, I bought it a few days ago and delayed opening up the box because I thought I made a mistake not getting plasma. I am very happy with the LCD and don't feel I am missing much not having plasma. I have only been watching it a few hours but so far i love it

55" Vizio $1547 at Sam's club




See these two threads

http://www.highdefforum.com/flat-panel-tvs/95539-i-just-bought-2-tvs-sams-club-without-doing-any-research-now-i-wonder.html





http://www.highdefforum.com/flat-panel-tvs/95643-update-55-vizio-purchased-sams-club-last-week-i-am-bit-ticked-off.html

sawzalot
06-09-2009, 08:31 AM
Well, after showing my picture of our family room and the windows on this forum, it was suggested that the room was too bright for a plasma. So, wanting to get a 50" or higher LCD and for less than $1500, I started looking. I went to Sears and they have a floor model Sony KDL 52V4100 for $1199 less 10% off so I will be looking at $1020. Since I know little about LCD's is this a good deal or should I look somewhere else. Although the TV was on during the day, it was on a column so kids fingers didn't play with it.

Any and all suggestions would be appreciated.I think thats a good price for a 52" panel now if you can snag a good deal on an extended warranty , what are ya waiting for , your next post should be a review of your new setup.:D

iserum
06-09-2009, 09:15 AM
Well, after showing my picture of our family room and the windows on this forum, it was suggested that the room was too bright for a plasma. So, wanting to get a 50" or higher LCD and for less than $1500, I started looking. I went to Sears and they have a floor model Sony KDL 52V4100 for $1199 less 10% off so I will be looking at $1020. Since I know little about LCD's is this a good deal or should I look somewhere else. Although the TV was on during the day, it was on a column so kids fingers didn't play with it.

Any and all suggestions would be appreciated.
i answered your question in other post, for your viewing angles you should get plasma, or change seating arrangements, you will not be happy with LCD with those viewing angles. Your light conditions are bright till noon, most of TV watching time is late afternoon or night so you will be OK with plasma.

PFC5
06-09-2009, 11:14 AM
i answered your question in other post, for your viewing angles you should get plasma, or change seating arrangements, you will not be happy with LCD with those viewing angles. Your light conditions are bright till noon, most of TV watching time is late afternoon or night so you will be OK with plasma.

I agree with this.

Loves2Watch
06-09-2009, 12:50 PM
i answered your question in other post, for your viewing angles you should get plasma, or change seating arrangements, you will not be happy with LCD with those viewing angles. Your light conditions are bright till noon, most of TV watching time is late afternoon or night so you will be OK with plasma.

I agree with this as well...

numan2good
06-09-2009, 01:04 PM
i answered your question in other post, for your viewing angles you should get plasma, or change seating arrangements, you will not be happy with LCD with those viewing angles. Your light conditions are bright till noon, most of TV watching time is late afternoon or night so you will be OK with plasma.

so do i....:what:

daleb
06-09-2009, 01:28 PM
I played with both a Sony and Samsung this morning in Target. 32"..same price.
The Sony had it all over the Sammy for viewing angle, although I can not imagine even watching any screen at the acceptable angle.
The Sam. has slightly better contrast..harder to judge under the bright lights..and the color had more punch...I was able to control both..of course without an Avia disk, etc...can't say much more.
They both looked good.

numan2good
06-09-2009, 01:29 PM
I played with both a Sony and Samsung this morning in Target. 32"..same price.
The Sony had it all over the Sammy for viewing angle, although I can not imagine even watching any screen at the acceptable angle.
The Sam. has slightly better contrast..harder to judge under the bright lights..and the color had more punch...I was able to control both..of course without an Avia disk, etc...can't say much more.
They both looked good.

what if you have to pick one?

PFC5
06-09-2009, 01:30 PM
I think Sony & Samsung are very close. I think they still use the same panels from a joint panel mfg plant "partnership" they had last year, but maybe they have separate plants now if the viewing angles are that much different.

iserum
06-09-2009, 01:45 PM
no matter who makes LCD screen the viewing angle is the basic problem with LCD and that is only aspect left that keep them behind plasma. On most other issues LCD are very close to plasma.

numan2good
06-09-2009, 01:50 PM
no matter who makes LCD screen the viewing angle is the basic problem with LCD and that is only aspect left that keep them behind plasma. On most other issues LCD are very close to plasma.

i think this reason is enough for leaving LCD behind.and i guess this is the most important reason which should be considered while buying one....:cool:

PFC5
06-09-2009, 02:28 PM
no matter who makes LCD screen the viewing angle is the basic problem with LCD and that is only aspect left that keep them behind plasma. On most other issues LCD are very close to plasma.

I think the black levels are also where LCD needs to improve without paying nearly twice the money to get an LED based LCD, just to get close to plasma black levels. That is just as much an issue for me as the viewing angles IMO.

numan2good
06-09-2009, 02:37 PM
I think the black levels are also where LCD needs to improve without paying nearly twice the money to get an LED based LCD, just to get close to plasma black levels. That is just as much an issue for me as the viewing angles IMO.

well i guess for person who do not have any kind of this information i guess there reasons are tooooooo much for them....
thank you PFC5
hope now you can make some difference in LCD and PLASMA buddy.:haha:

daleb
06-09-2009, 03:40 PM
what if you have to pick one?

Too soon to say...I want to see other brands too...no rush.
The Samsung will match my plasma though, in styling..even if they are in different rooms LOL!

numan2good
06-09-2009, 05:16 PM
Too soon to say...I want to see other brands too...no rush.
The Samsung will match my plasma though, in styling..even if they are in different rooms LOL!

ok do let us know what you choose?

daleb
06-09-2009, 07:42 PM
I think the black levels are also where LCD needs to improve without paying nearly twice the money to get an LED based LCD, just to get close to plasma black levels. That is just as much an issue for me as the viewing angles IMO.

I agree, LCD struggles to get good black levels, and technologies like LED backlighting only add to the cost.
In time, it is likely they will find a better way to achieve it as lower cost.
If not, it will be replaced with another technology. And for all we know, plasma will be supplanted at that time too.
Most of the negative issues are more apparent with larger screens. For that reason, it is the larger sets that will drive the technology.

But still a lot of sales in the 32-40" market, so I don't think things will happen very fast, but they will happen. And when the newer technologies get cheap enough to produce, they will flow down to the smaller screen sizes too.

You don't have to think back too far to see how much all displays have improved. And we've seen nothing yet.

PFC5
06-09-2009, 08:37 PM
I agree, LCD struggles to get good black levels, and technologies like LED backlighting only add to the cost.
In time, it is likely they will find a better way to achieve it as lower cost.
If not, it will be replaced with another technology. And for all we know, plasma will be supplanted at that time too.
Most of the negative issues are more apparent with larger screens. For that reason, it is the larger sets that will drive the technology.

But still a lot of sales in the 32-40" market, so I don't think things will happen very fast, but they will happen. And when the newer technologies get cheap enough to produce, they will flow down to the smaller screen sizes too.

You don't have to think back too far to see how much all displays have improved. And we've seen nothing yet.

I agree with all of this. Over time I suspect that LED will become the norm at more reasonable prices but until the masses see the benefit, I think it will trickle down slowly for now.

numan2good
06-10-2009, 11:37 AM
I agree, LCD struggles to get good black levels, and technologies like LED backlighting only add to the cost.
In time, it is likely they will find a better way to achieve it as lower cost.
If not, it will be replaced with another technology. And for all we know, plasma will be supplanted at that time too.
Most of the negative issues are more apparent with larger screens. For that reason, it is the larger sets that will drive the technology.

But still a lot of sales in the 32-40" market, so I don't think things will happen very fast, but they will happen. And when the newer technologies get cheap enough to produce, they will flow down to the smaller screen sizes too.

You don't have to think back too far to see how much all displays have improved. And we've seen nothing yet.

agree too with all this

newtodef
06-10-2009, 07:02 PM
Not to mention the inherent problems like backlight bleed and motion blur that come along with LCD's, I hated the two lcd's I went through now I love my plasma its in the basement with basically no natural light. I love it.

numan2good
06-11-2009, 10:14 AM
Not to mention the inherent problems like backlight bleed and motion blur that come along with LCD's, I hated the two lcd's I went through now I love my plasma its in the basement with basically no natural light. I love it.

hello newtodef
well of course plasma is ahead from LCD
but i guess LCD is not that bad with back light..
but there is no comparison with Plasma...:what: