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Warner Bros: Trade in your HD DVDs for Blu-ray editions

TowerGrove
04-22-2009, 04:38 AM
Warner Bros. launches new trade-in program for HD DVD owners. Get Blu-ray versions of your HD DVD movies.

WHV has announced a new program, "Red2Blu,"for those who want to upgrade titles they currently own on HD-DVD to Blu-ray. By visiting Red2Blu.com, consumers can trade up virtually any of their WHV HD-DVD titles (up to 25) for the same title on Blu-ray for a small fee plus shipping and handling. For details and restrictions, visit Red2Blu.com. "Red2Blu" is available to residents of the United States only.
http://www.red2blu.com/:yippee:

Nikopol
04-22-2009, 04:46 AM
Seems like you can even keep the discs, they just want you to send in the original 'cover art'.

Imo this is a very consumer friendly idea, so kudos to WB! :yippee:

dsskid
04-22-2009, 05:28 AM
I wish that I had taken advantage of some of those $5 HD DVD sales.

MikeRox
04-22-2009, 05:31 AM
wont that mean up to 25 Blu-Rays for like $10 each in total if they came out on HD DVD (given how cheap HD DVDs can be nabbed now). Very nice gesture and I wager one they still make money from.

dsskid
04-22-2009, 05:36 AM
Yeah, looks like it. $10 is a great price for a BD.

Kosty
04-22-2009, 07:43 AM
Woah. Great deal. I'm in. :D

Kosty
04-22-2009, 07:50 AM
So it seems they only want the HD DVD cover art, not the disc.

Why is that?

Do they want to erase whats left of the HD DVD image (since they only want the cover art, which is what you see externally). Though I guess you can still see the red case.

Or do they just want the barcode back (which is located on the cover)?

Strange... The actual discs are useless to the studio. This is an incentive and promotional program to transition the first adopter HD DVD owners to Blu-ray. Pretty much for previous Warner HD DVD owners you can transition a 25 disc HD DVD library over to Blu-ray for $125 bucks, and hopefully you will start buying Blu-ray's at a higher rate.

Like the trade in programs for HD DVD hardware after the format war, this is design to take away the pain of buying into high definition and is a targeted promotion to high value users. If it costs them $2 per disc for a 10 to 25 disc library its a $20 or $50 promotional cost micro targeted at high value users that they still actually break even on, and creates oodles of goodwill where people think they are getting $100-$300 of product value.

Great move. :D

Kosty
04-22-2009, 07:58 AM
lets see what people can find to moan about this


How's about this? :p

Its obviously a case that Blu-ray is such an utter failure that they overproduced these discs and are reduced to trying just to recover their production costs before they abandon the Blu-ray format altogether. ;) j/k



Only problem is that there were too few HD DVD owners to begin with after a year most of the Xbox 360 HD DVD add on (woah... haven't typed that in a while :eek:) probably could not find them in the closet anyway.....:))

Nikopol
04-22-2009, 08:09 AM
Getting confused with the forums, kosty? :lol:

Dare
04-22-2009, 08:26 AM
Nice! I would do this if I had the cash handy. But I have 26 Warner HD-DVDs. I could do all but one. :D

bruceames
04-22-2009, 08:37 AM
Getting confused with the forums, kosty? :lol:

I was gonna say, where did that come from? :lol:

I guess it's a good deal if you only paid $5-$10 for the HD DVD version. That way, you're total HDM investment in the movie is still under $20 (assuming it costs $10 with handling per trade in).

But unless you want to phase out your HD DVD hardware, I don't see any reason to double dip since they're identical PQ encodes. I don't plan on doing any double dipping unless there's a major upgrade somewhere.

But kudos to WB for offering this.

HD Goofnut
04-22-2009, 08:55 AM
I wouldn't mind doing this with a couple of my Warner HD DVDs, but I don't plan to turn in any combos. I feel that an HD DVD and SD DVD in one disc is worth more than a BD.

Chris Gerhard
04-22-2009, 09:05 AM
How's about this? :p

Its obviously a case that Blu-ray is such an utter failure that they overproduced these discs and are reduced to trying just to recover their production costs before they abandon the Blu-ray format altogether. ;) j/k



Only problem is that there were too few HD DVD owners to begin with after a year most of the Xbox 360 HD DVD add on (woah... haven't typed that in a while :eek:) probably could not find them in the closet anyway.....:))

Getting confused with the forums, kosty? :lol:



I was gonna say, where did that come from? :lol:

I guess it's a good deal if you only paid $5-$10 for the HD DVD version. That way, you're total HDM investment in the movie is still under $20 (assuming it costs $10 with handling per trade in).

But unless you want to phase out your HD DVD hardware, I don't see any reason to double dip since they're identical PQ encodes. I don't plan on doing any double dipping unless there's a major upgrade somewhere.

But kudos to WB for offering this.

Uh, surely you know Kosty speaks in jest, it was an attempt to simulate or parody something that might be posted here from an HD DVD supporter or Blu-ray disparager.

I think this is a great deal and when I get a chance, I am going to see what titles make sense for me to exchange.

Chris

Nikopol
04-22-2009, 09:08 AM
^^ are you saying, Kosty is missing the format war here at HDF! :eek: :lol: :lol: :lol:

PS:
http://forums.highdefdigest.com/1517175-post30.html
http://forums.highdefdigest.com/1517187-post32.html

Chris Gerhard
04-22-2009, 09:10 AM
You might notice it shows a standard "Casablanca" release. I am sure the ultimate box set is not available for exchange but I wasn't aware the standard "Casablanca" Blu-ray release had been announced.

Chris

Chris Gerhard
04-22-2009, 09:31 AM
wont that mean up to 25 Blu-Rays for like $10 each in total if they came out on HD DVD (given how cheap HD DVDs can be nabbed now). Very nice gesture and I wager one they still make money from.

There is no way this is profitable directly. The only potential profits come from gaining customers and long term sales. It is a promotion at a cost, the $5 price is not a profitable price point. There are also lost profits in that the HD DVD's remain in circulation and still play fine, ultimately causing some lost Blu-ray sales.

Chris

Chris Gerhard
04-22-2009, 09:48 AM
I ordered quite a few and will probably wish I had ordered more.

Chris

Kosty
04-22-2009, 09:51 AM
Lets see what people can find to moan about this
How's about this?

Its obviously a case that Blu-ray is such an utter failure that they overproduced these discs and are reduced to trying just to recover their production costs before they abandon the Blu-ray format altogether. j/k



Only problem is that there were too few HD DVD owners to begin with after a year most of the Xbox 360 HD DVD add on (woah... haven't typed that in a while ) probably could not find them in the closet anyway.....)Getting confused with the forums, kosty? :lol:

Nah, I first posted it on the similar thread on HDD, but I thought you guys would get a kick out of it too. Besides, I thought someone here would eventually say it , so I thought preemption was the best policy. :D

When I do that I kill the autolink but leave the poster name is its a positive contribution and he posts here under the same use name (like Grubert etc) or give the name and the the pasted forum, but if its a generic question or snide comment, I'll just leave off the offending posters name.

I'd just thought that you guys would like to see some comments there andI'll trying to keep a browser window open to share some pithy comments with you guys here as well, as I love ya all so much. :D

Kosty
04-22-2009, 10:01 AM
Uh, surely you know Kosty speaks in jest, it was an attempt to simulate or parody something that might be posted here from an HD DVD supporter or Blu-ray disparager.

I think this is a great deal and when I get a chance, I am going to see what titles make sense for me to exchange.

Chris I can't double post everything for pity's sake, but I consciously do try to give you guys the juicy or important bits now over here as well when there is a parallel discussion. :busy: :thumbsup: :haha:

I find it easier to post first on the major threads like the Nielsen update on HDD and transfer over to here as I can view a lot more posts on one page and I started the thread and can edit the top posts and update them. Here the edit lockout and 15 posts per page make it more of a PITA.

I hope you all appreciate the transfers over here of the good stuff.:lol:

Chris Gerhard
04-22-2009, 10:20 AM
I can't double post everything for pity's sake, but I consciously do try to give you guys the juicy or important bits now over here as well when there is a parallel discussion. :busy: :thumbsup: :haha:

I find it easier to post first on the major threads like the Nielsen update on HDD and transfer over to here as I can view a lot more posts on one page and I started the thread and can edit the top posts and update them. Here the edit lockout and 15 posts per page make it more of a PITA.

I hope you all appreciate the transfers over here of the good stuff.:lol:

I haven't seen the post at HDD yet but I recognize HD DVD v. Blu-ray humor when I see it. I am still amazed that anybody can find fault with what the Blu-ray manufacturers and software providers have done since the end of HD DVD. I see great Blu-ray hardware and software prices and terrific promotions like this one and I am delighted with what has been going on but often I see what I consider silly complaints at the various forums. The market is still small but I see the steps I wanted taken to get it rolling. This is one good small step.

Chris

MikeRox
04-22-2009, 10:33 AM
There is no way this is profitable directly. The only potential profits come from gaining customers and long term sales. It is a promotion at a cost, the $5 price is not a profitable price point. There are also lost profits in that the HD DVD's remain in circulation and still play fine, ultimately causing some lost Blu-ray sales.

Chris

They charge for shipping, and so it costs them nothing. They are also all older films which aren't selling anywhere near the serious volumes. Anything above and beyond the replication costs for the titles are "profit". It's direct so no retailer's cut etc.. They will have also made their money the first time around for some owners.

Kosty
04-22-2009, 10:42 AM
They charge for shipping, and so it costs them nothing. They are also all older films which aren't selling anywhere near the serious volumes. Anything above and beyond the replication costs for the titles are "profit". It's direct so no retailer's cut etc.. They will have also made their money the first time around for some owners.

The profit is small and so is the potential size of the existing HD DVD user base and the raw numbers of these HD DVD versions that are out in the field.

The Blu-ray versions could probably be sold out and many of these titles are showing serious legs like Batman Begins and are selling 5-10,000 units month after month.

They obviously can also sell them in the future to new Blu-ray owners at greater profit .

This is a break even or trivial income generating venture at best, so thats not the issue.

But its a great cover the cost kinda targeted promotion that is micro targeted at high volume purchasing first adopter high movie buying owners.

digs5446
04-22-2009, 10:44 AM
I guess it's a good deal if you only paid $5-$10 for the HD DVD version. That way, you're total HDM investment in the movie is still under $20 (assuming it costs $10 with handling per trade in).

But unless you want to phase out your HD DVD hardware, I don't see any reason to double dip since they're identical PQ encodes. I don't plan on doing any double dipping unless there's a major upgrade somewhere.


+1

The only reason I would want to take part in this is if the deal is still in place if/when my HD DVD player should bite the dust, which hopefully won't happen ever if I take care of it.

I only recently started buying a ton of HD-DVDs when they became available for $4 to $5 sealed, and I actually think that's all the more reson for me NOT to do this trade-in deal. It basically doubles (actually more when you take shipping into account) the cost of the HD ownership of the movie. I guess it's nice for people who are trying to clear their shelves of the maroon spines and want to have only 1 HD deck in their rig, but I'm still kind of fond of mine:o

EDIT: Actually now that I look back, pretty much all of my $4-$5 titles are from Universal, so nevermind the line about doubling the cost of ownership. Looks like I only have a couple WB titles anyway so I guess that's that!

Kosty
04-22-2009, 10:55 AM
No. of discs sold in 2007:

Blu-ray: 5.7 million (64% or $172.8 million)
HD DVD: 3.2 million (36% or $97.2 million)

Discs sold since inception:

Blu-ray: 6.1 million (62%)
HD DVD: 3.7 million (38%)

Top-selling high-definition discs of 2007 (through 12/30/07)
1. 300 (Blu-ray/Warner): 472,400
2. Planet Earth: The Complete Series (both formats/BBC Video): 294,300
3. Transformers (HD DVD/Paramount/DreamWorks): 239,100
4. Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End (Blu-ray/Disney): 219,300
5. Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix (both/Warner): 179,500
6. The Departed (both/Warner): 171,800
7. Casino Royale (Blu-ray/Sony): 169,800
8. Bourne Ultimatum (HD DVD/Universal): 162,300
9. Spider-Man 3 (Blu-ray/Sony): 145,300
10. Ratatouille (Blu-ray/Disney): 117,500

So there may be around 1,000,000 Warner HD DVDs out in the wild and at $4.95 each there is not much room for profit.

So its maybe a $1-$5 M total revenue generating exercise in total, and maybe less than $1 M in total profit potential.

Not worth the effort from a revenue standpoint.

But from a marketing and promotional standpoint its a great idea. It pays for itself, it builds goodwill from ex HD DVD owners who bought from you before and it converts those high value movie buying first adopter types into active Blu-ray buyers and maybe encourages them to get off the fence and finally buy a Blu-ray player. :)

kamspy
04-22-2009, 11:40 AM
My Warner HD DVDs are now leaving the building.


STEP UP UNIVERSAL!


Batman Begins! Scram!
Harry Potters, you too!
Matrix, roll out!
Blade Runner, Departed, Goodfellas oh my!

Chris Gerhard
04-22-2009, 11:45 AM
They charge for shipping, and so it costs them nothing. They are also all older films which aren't selling anywhere near the serious volumes. Anything above and beyond the replication costs for the titles are "profit". It's direct so no retailer's cut etc.. They will have also made their money the first time around for some owners.

You can order about 50 discs for $7 shipping so no way that covers shipping and there is no way the $10 fee for the best of box sets or $15 for the Harry Potter giftset begins to cover costs. Many of the standard Blu-ray titles can't be manufactured and royalties paid including packaging for $5. It is a money loser, period.

Chris

Chris Gerhard
04-22-2009, 11:46 AM
My Warner HD DVDs are now leaving the building.


STEP UP UNIVERSAL!


Batman Begins! Scram!
Harry Potters, you too!
Matrix, roll out!
Blade Runner, Departed, Goodfellas oh my!

I wouldn't bother with Blade Runner at $15. The Harry Potter box set and best of boxsets are the best deals. If "Casablanca" is replaced with the ultimate collector's edition, that is a great deal.

Chris

kamspy
04-22-2009, 12:06 PM
I wouldn't bother with Blade Runner at $15. The Harry Potter box set and best of boxsets are the best deals. If "Casablanca" is replaced with the ultimate collector's edition, that is a great deal.

Chris

My A20 is on the fritz and I assume it will die soon. My other options are HTPC, and 360.:/ Not buying another Toshiba deck.

They gotta go.


Nice stealth double dip job by Warner. They aren't charging much, but we all have already bought the movies from them once on HD, charging an extra $5 is still going to net them a profit (I think).


If I had a fleet of players like Chris and Bruce, I probably wouldn't do this. But since I don't, I'm hyped, and in.


Now Universal needs to follow the leader... I wonder if I sent Uni my Fear and Loathing HD DVD if they would print up a blu copy just for me.:):lol::helpme

bruceames
04-22-2009, 01:12 PM
So there may be around 1,000,000 Warner HD DVDs out in the wild and at $4.95 each there is not much room for profit.

So its maybe a $1-$5 M total revenue generating exercise in total, and maybe less than $1 M in total profit potential.

Not worth the effort from a revenue standpoint.

But from a marketing and promotional standpoint its a great idea. It pays for itself, it builds goodwill from ex HD DVD owners who bought from you before and it converts those high value movie buying first adopter types into active Blu-ray buyers and maybe encourages them to get off the fence and finally buy a Blu-ray player. :)

There are far more than 1 million WB discs 'in the wild'. Probably more sold in 2008 than in 2007 because of the fire sales, and they are still clearing out inventory.

My guess is about 5-6 million WB HD DVD discs were made for US distribution.

Chris Gerhard
04-22-2009, 02:02 PM
There are far more than 1 million WB discs 'in the wild'. Probably more sold in 2008 than in 2007 because of the fire sales, and they are still clearing out inventory.

My guess is about 5-6 million WB HD DVD discs were made for US distribution.

I haven't seen any numbers on sales of HD DVD since that fatal day in early 2008 except my own numbers. Before Toshiba pulled the plug, my total HD DVD purchases of new discs was zero. Since Toshiba pulled the plug, my total purchases of clearance priced new HD DVD discs is about 300. I wish I had waited since I purchased about 100 at about $10 and the rest as the price dropped to $5 and sometimes below. I had no idea so many HD DVD's were manufactured. There is no doubt in my mind that HD DVD sales quantity has gone way up since the format's demise.

Chris

Lee Stewart
04-22-2009, 03:42 PM
According to this, WB released 137 HD DVD's:

http://hddvdstats.com/index.php

Why are they restricting the program to only 25 movies per household?

Chris Gerhard
04-22-2009, 04:16 PM
According to this, WB released 137 HD DVD's:

http://hddvdstats.com/index.php

Why are they restricting the program to only 25 movies per household?

To limit the cost of the promotion. Most promotions of this type are limited although it is my guess that people are going to do exactly what I did, order the ones that Warner loses the most money on and by limiting each title to one exchange per household, the big losses are limited anyway. Beyond the box sets and special editions, the costs aren't going to be great. I think this promotion is going to be very popular although I don't think many will take Warner up on all 25 titles. I think 25 is a lot and most anybody that has more than 25 Warner titles will also have a good number of titles from other companies and won't be getting out of HD DVD altogether regardless. If all studios do this, then there would be a lot of people that would take the offer, sell their HD DVD's and players and move on.

I could use a photocopy or custom cover for the HD DVD's being replaced and sell them after receiving the Blu-ray versions and be out very little money net of receipts. Since I still have everything except the carboard box for the best of box set, I have complete movies with cases to sell, no special cover art needed. I might even be able to sell the HD DVD's of the ones I ordered for more than I paid for the Blu versions. Of course the flood of used Warner HD DVD's on eBay, some without cover art, replaced by Blu versions will drive the prices even lower.

Chris

Kosty
04-22-2009, 04:38 PM
There are far more than 1 million WB discs 'in the wild'. Probably more sold in 2008 than in 2007 because of the fire sales, and they are still clearing out inventory.

My guess is about 5-6 million WB HD DVD discs were made for US distribution.

Yeah you are right. There were also a lot that were sent out with the free disc deals with player purchases. I have sources inside the Cinram Olyphant PA plant where a lot were pressed and they are giving me a rough count in a day or so of the Warner pressing they know of got HD DVD.

Kosty
04-22-2009, 04:44 PM
According to this, WB released 137 HD DVD's:

http://hddvdstats.com/index.php

Why are they restricting the program to only 25 movies per household?

I dunno, buts its a promotion after all. Most humans would not have purchased that many from Warner and even those that did will be happy getting Blu-ray 25 discs at $5 a pop. Thats probably 1/3 the price of buying the Blu-ray versions by themselves.

This should bring a lot of goodwill.

25 limit does take the speculator angle out of it as it makes buying and reselling them 33% or 25% as efficient and 3x 4x the effort for someone speculating on this. The few hyper heavy purchasers that actually own more than 25 discs can work around it by friends and family mailing addresses if they rally want.

Chris Gerhard
04-22-2009, 04:50 PM
Someone just listed a bunch of Warner HD DVD's at AVSForum with cover art photocopies. Anybody want to guess how that happened?

Chris

Kosty
04-22-2009, 04:56 PM
I dunno but I see nothing wrong with it. They would not be useful for the promotion anyway and would only be good for replacing what someone is sending in.

Even if someone really was scamming them the amount of people who would would probably be low enough not to matter in the long run.

If someone sent in a credit card order with a bunch of home printed covers and was ordering enough to matter like 25, it would be noticed at redemption and they probably would not get away with it. Its heavyweight two sided glossy web printed stock for the real covers and its obviously not an inkjet home printing copy.

sopranocaponyc
04-22-2009, 05:09 PM
This looks good, But to me to pay 4.95 plus shipping for each HD dvd doesn't seem like a good idea to me. All the HD dvds that i would trade in for a blu-ray version either have the same AQ or worse. 300 and The sopranos season 6 part II is DD truehd with the blu version its only PCM. Goodfellas is same in blu its only 5.1 DD as opposed to DD+ for hd dvd.

Chris Gerhard
04-22-2009, 05:27 PM
This looks good, But to me to pay 4.95 plus shipping for each HD dvd doesn't seem like a good idea to me. All the HD dvds that i would trade in for a blu-ray version either have the same AQ or worse. 300 and The sopranos season 6 part II is DD truehd with the blu version its only PCM. Goodfellas is same in blu its only 5.1 DD as opposed to DD+ for hd dvd.

You don't pay shipping for each Blu-ray. You pay shipping to ship the covers to Warner and $7 for all discs ordered. You would obviously want to order all you want to exchange on a single order to get the best deal. To pay $7 for shipping for all 25 titles exchanged, maybe 50 discs sounds like a great idea. You still own the HD DVD and can sell it to offset the cost, minus the cover art in most cases.

In my opinion it is a very generous offer and for anybody that wants to bail on HD DVD, it is a good start. All that is needed is for Paramount, Universal, Weinstein and the others to follow suit. Having two formats was stupid from day one and this is one way for Warner to help make amends. Don't exchange "Goodfellas" if you don't want to, exchange only titles you want to exchange. You could even buy 25 Blu-ray titles and sell them all for more than you paid.

Chris

Chris Gerhard
04-22-2009, 05:32 PM
I dunno but I see nothing wrong with it. They would not be useful for the promotion anyway and would only be good for replacing what someone is sending in.

Even if someone really was scamming them the amount of people who would would probably be low enough not to matter in the long run.

If someone sent in a credit card order with a bunch of home printed covers and was ordering enough to matter like 25, it would be noticed at redemption and they probably would not get away with it. Its heavyweight two sided glossy web printed stock for the real covers and its obviously not an inkjet home printing copy.

You have to send the original cover art to Warner but you can sure sell the HD DVD with a photocopy. I see nothing wrong with that and it is obviously something Warner knew would happen when offering this deal.

Chris

Deja Vu
04-22-2009, 05:44 PM
Sounds like a trade down to me. BDs take forever to load - make HD DVDs seem fast. I seldom watch anything more than twice anyway. I can rent 2 BDs for $4.00 total on Mondays, Tuesdays and Wednesdays (I feel a little guilty getting them so cheap, but hey if that's what they want to rent them for I'm not going to argue) so I'll never buy any.

Kosty
04-22-2009, 05:50 PM
You don't pay shipping for each Blu-ray. You pay shipping to ship the covers to Warner and $7 for all discs ordered. You would obviously want to order all you want to exchange on a single order to get the best deal. To pay $7 for shipping for all 25 titles exchanged, maybe 50 discs sounds like a great idea. You still own the HD DVD and can sell it to offset the cost, minus the cover art in most cases.

In my opinion it is a very generous offer and for anybody that wants to bail on HD DVD, it is a good start. All that is needed is for Paramount, Universal, Weinstein and the others to follow suit. Having two formats was stupid from day one and this is one way for Warner to help make amends. Don't exchange "Goodfellas" if you don't want to, exchange only titles you want to exchange. You could even buy 25 Blu-ray titles and sell them all for more than you paid.

Chris

You get a label to ship. Isn't the shipping of the labels to them free?

DonnyDC
04-22-2009, 05:53 PM
This looks good, But to me to pay 4.95 plus shipping for each HD dvd doesn't seem like a good idea to me. All the HD dvds that i would trade in for a blu-ray version either have the same AQ or worse. 300 and The sopranos season 6 part II is DD truehd with the blu version its only PCM. Goodfellas is same in blu its only 5.1 DD as opposed to DD+ for hd dvd.Do you have part 1 on HDDVD? the the lossless track for Blu is supposed to sound alot better.

Kosty
04-22-2009, 05:56 PM
You have to send the original cover art to Warner but you can sure sell the HD DVD with a photocopy. I see nothing wrong with that and it is obviously something Warner knew would happen when offering this deal.

Chris

Warner does not care what you do with the old HD DVDs.

bruceames
04-22-2009, 05:58 PM
You have to send the original cover art to Warner but you can sure sell the HD DVD with a photocopy. I see nothing wrong with that and it is obviously something Warner knew would happen when offering this deal.

Chris

It appears to me the main motive for this is clearing out inventory. Otherwise, why would they wait over a year after the end of the format war to offer it? I think the BD version sold less than they expected and maybe the HD DVD versions had something to do with that. Anyway, I think this is more about WB clearing inventory than it is about helping out poor little HD DVD owners and a good guy publicity move. It's all of those reasons, but WB is obviously sitting on a buttload of BDs to be offering this, and the 25 disc limit is their estimation of what it would take to clear inventory to ideal levels.

Chris Gerhard
04-22-2009, 06:14 PM
It appears to me the main motive for this is clearing out inventory. Otherwise, why would they wait over a year after the end of the format war to offer it? I think the BD version sold less than they expected and maybe the HD DVD versions had something to do with that. Anyway, I think this is more about WB clearing inventory than it is about helping out poor little HD DVD owners and a good guy publicity move. It's all of those reasons, but WB is obviously sitting on a buttload of BDs to be offering this, and the 25 disc limit is their estimation of what it would take to clear inventory to ideal levels.

Of course it would have been a better move as far as HD DVD owners are concerned if Warner had offered this deal a year ago but the goal was to sell Blu-ray discs and make a profit. This is a promotion to help get new customers now and make a profit over the long run and none of these titles are high demand titles now but a year ago, many were. Nobody that didn't own HD DVD will care about this deal now and offering it a year ago would have created bad will with the loyal Blu-ray market that didn't have any HD DVD's to trade in. I don't believe there is an excessive inventory, the Blu-ray player base is growing pretty quickly and with lower priced players coming and players with wireless internet coming, there is going to be demand this holiday season that surpasses last holiday season. The excessive inventory held by Warner was in HD DVD which is why those were sold for $2 to retailers to clear out.

I believe this is just one small part of continuing Blu-ray growth, help entice more HD DVD owners to move to Blu-ray. I am not the intended market for this deal, I am taking advantage of it for a few titles that make sense for me but for the most part, I am just going to live with my HD DVD collection. I can't pass up a few of these titles which amount to amazing deals.

Chris

Kosty
04-22-2009, 06:15 PM
from AVS

...talked with there support also. The guy said the following:
They are getting lots of calls and positive feedback about the offer
The offer will most likely be good until december so there is no rush
They will be updating the ultimate matrix special instructions because no one has the piece of paper
They will be updating the Oceans 11 box set instructions since the instructions mention a upc code which does not exist
He also said they are adding more titles to the site
He mentioned that they will not be sending the hd-dvd cover art back to you
You will get a brand new shrink wrapped copy of the Blu-Ray
They are doing this to boost Blu-Ray player sales

DonnyDC
04-22-2009, 06:19 PM
"Hey all you sneaky HDDVD fans who spent $5 buying discs on clearance, we never got a penny from that!! so why not spend $4.95 and pay US for the Blu ray replacements? great idea amirite?"

Kosty
04-22-2009, 06:20 PM
It appears to me the main motive for this is clearing out inventory. Otherwise, why would they wait over a year after the end of the format war to offer it? I think the BD version sold less than they expected and maybe the HD DVD versions had something to do with that. Anyway, I think this is more about WB clearing inventory than it is about helping out poor little HD DVD owners and a good guy publicity move. It's all of those reasons, but WB is obviously sitting on a buttload of BDs to be offering this, and the 25 disc limit is their estimation of what it would take to clear inventory to ideal levels.

Trust me it not to clear out inventory. They can sell out all they have on hand eventually to a growing Blu-ray hardware base and most of these titles will be repressed in the future anyway.

Its purely a promotional effort directed at first adopter HD DVD owners to encourage that group to spend money on the future on Blu-ray discs and possibly get them to pull the trigger on buying a Blu-ray player or at least start buying more Bu-ray discs.

Its a slow time of year overall and a perfect time to do a targeted promotional campaign.

Chris Gerhard
04-22-2009, 06:20 PM
You get a label to ship. Isn't the shipping of the labels to them free?

I missed that, then the only fee to cover shipping both ways is the $7 fee. It is an even better deal. I sure can't see how anybody can complain about that.

Chris

Chris Gerhard
04-22-2009, 06:21 PM
from AVS

...talked with there support also. The guy said the following:
They are getting lots of calls and positive feedback about the offer
The offer will most likely be good until december so there is no rush
They will be updating the ultimate matrix special instructions because no one has the piece of paper
They will be updating the Oceans 11 box set instructions since the instructions mention a upc code which does not exist
He also said they are adding more titles to the site
He mentioned that they will not be sending the hd-dvd cover art back to you
You will get a brand new shrink wrapped copy of the Blu-Ray
They are doing this to boost Blu-Ray player sales

The UPC code given for the Best of Volume 2 is not the UPC number on my Best of Volume 2 case so they need to fix that as well.

Chris

Kosty
04-22-2009, 06:24 PM
It appears to me the main motive for this is clearing out inventory. Otherwise, why would they wait over a year after the end of the format war to offer it? Maybe they did not want to piss off Blu-ray owners at the time?

It also allowed most titles to be sold at full price last year.

These Blu-ray catalog titles now are just starting to be stocked at many retail locations and clearing inventory is not required now as Blu-ray's take up little physical storage space.

Its a promotional event, nothing more. A damn good one if you asked me. :)

DonnyDC
04-22-2009, 06:31 PM
It appears to me the main motive for this is clearing out inventory. Otherwise, why would they wait over a year after the end of the format war to offer it? I think the BD version sold less than they expected and maybe the HD DVD versions had something to do with that. Anyway, I think this is more about WB clearing inventory than it is about helping out poor little HD DVD owners and a good guy publicity move. It's all of those reasons, but WB is obviously sitting on a buttload of BDs to be offering this, and the 25 disc limit is their estimation of what it would take to clear inventory to ideal levels.Id say the answer is pretty simple. Because they want people to pay full price for the blu ray.
Like Chris there must have been alot of HDDVD owners who quadrupled their collection solely from clearance deals, this seems like an obvious tactic to get sales from those people.

bruceames
04-22-2009, 06:33 PM
Id say the answer is pretty simple. Because they want people to pay full price for the blu ray.
Like Chris there must have been alot of HDDVD owners who quadrupled their collection from clearance deals, this seems like an obvious tactic to get sales from those people.

Yeah, you guys are right. I never thought that one through before posting. :o

It looks like it's a win-win for everyone involved, but I won't be joining the party because there's no point in double dipping.

Superman
04-22-2009, 06:33 PM
Yeah, looks like it. $10 is a great price for a BD.

It's $5 to replace and $7 for shipping according to the site. So for $12 I can get the same movie that I already paid $25 for, that worked perfectly fine on my HD DVD player? No, I don't see that as a great price at all.

bmore
04-22-2009, 07:04 PM
It appears to me the main motive for this is clearing out inventory. Otherwise, why would they wait over a year after the end of the format war to offer it? I think the BD version sold less than they expected and maybe the HD DVD versions had something to do with that. Anyway, I think this is more about WB clearing inventory than it is about helping out poor little HD DVD owners and a good guy publicity move. It's all of those reasons, but WB is obviously sitting on a buttload of BDs to be offering this, and the 25 disc limit is their estimation of what it would take to clear inventory to ideal levels.

But they are giving away newer releases like the Matrix digibook which just came out on 3/31/09,
http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/2007/matrix.html

How would they be clearing inventory of a ~month old release?:confused:

I think your little theory doesn't hold much water. And I also think you are giving too much credit to HD DVD in this scenario.

But of course HD DVD supporters would think that because old HD DVDs are selling for $3 that this significantly hurting bluray sales of the same title(s). To which my response is.....THEN WHY AREN'T PARAMOUNT AND UNIVERSAL DOING THIS??? They have common titles in the same situation...dirt cheap on HD DVD...normal price on bluray.

So where is their olive branch? Why only WB???

Or could it be that WB, the studio that killed HD DVD, wants to try to "clear the air" a little?

Superman
04-22-2009, 07:13 PM
Or could it be that WB, the studio that killed HD DVD, wants to try to "clear the air" a little?

Yes, I'm sure that is exactly what that big corporation had in mind.

bmore
04-22-2009, 07:33 PM
Yes, I'm sure that is exactly what that big corporation had in mind.

Yes, like Best Buy did with those $50 rebates too, huh?:rolleyes:

Pretty big corporation too...just giving money away like that....

sopranocaponyc
04-22-2009, 07:35 PM
Do you have part 1 on HDDVD? the the lossless track for Blu is supposed to sound alot better.

I have part I and II. part I is DD+ and II is DD True HD. With the sopranos movies they want you to send in the carboard box in. Yes you get to keep all the movies. I Think its for people who want or have gotten rid of thier hd dvds. I like mine,they play pretty darn good. There might be a few that i might up grade.

Superman
04-22-2009, 07:47 PM
Yes, like Best Buy did with those $50 rebates too, huh?:rolleyes:

Pretty big corporation too...just giving money away like that....

If you honestly think Warner is strictly being altruistic here, you're on crack. Sounds like they're sitting on a bunch of stock and need to move it. It's a gimmick.

And I'm sorry, but $12 to double-dip on top of what I originally paid (it's even more if you live in Hawaii or Alaska) is hardly a great deal when I could save my money and watch the HD DVD I already have and spend that money on a new title.

D-X
04-22-2009, 07:51 PM
Hey Warner? F**k you!!

Red 4 Life bitches!!:devil2:banana::dj:HD::eyecrazy:music

sopranocaponyc
04-22-2009, 08:08 PM
Yes, like Best Buy did with those $50 rebates too, huh?:rolleyes:

Pretty big corporation too...just giving money away like that....

I got a $100 Gift card last year.

bmore
04-22-2009, 08:23 PM
If you honestly think Warner is strictly being altruistic here, you're on crack. Sounds like they're sitting on a bunch of stock and need to move it. It's a gimmick.

And I'm sorry, but $12 to double-dip on top of what I originally paid (it's even more if you live in Hawaii or Alaska) is hardly a great deal when I could save my money and watch the HD DVD I already have and spend that money on a new title.

No one said anything about altruism...WB is charging $5/disc. But the response across the forums has been generally positive, with a lot of people taking advantage of the offer. Which is what WB intended to happen, or else they wouldn't have done it.

And lol at the stock comment...The Matrix digibook came out less than a month ago...you think they would be dumping a premium digibook released on 3/31/09? If so, maybe i can share your crack pipe.

bruceames
04-22-2009, 08:52 PM
But they are giving away newer releases like the Matrix digibook which just came out on 3/31/09,
http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/2007/matrix.html

How would they be clearing inventory of a ~month old release?:confused:

I think your little theory doesn't hold much water. And I also think you are giving too much credit to HD DVD in this scenario.

But of course HD DVD supporters would think that because old HD DVDs are selling for $3 that this significantly hurting bluray sales of the same title(s). To which my response is.....THEN WHY AREN'T PARAMOUNT AND UNIVERSAL DOING THIS??? They have common titles in the same situation...dirt cheap on HD DVD...normal price on bluray.

So where is their olive branch? Why only WB???

Or could it be that WB, the studio that killed HD DVD, wants to try to "clear the air" a little?

It's probably a combination of having extra inventory and wanting to promote Blu-ray and show goodwill to HD DVD owners. It would look greedy for them to exclude their latest releases that are on HD DVD, but I think they're probably sitting on plenty of stock on most older titles. I'm not trying to take anything away for their good intentions, but I still think inventory was part of the motivation. They could have done this in January or even last fall, without 'cheating' Blu-ray owners.

Kosty
04-22-2009, 08:54 PM
If you honestly think Warner is strictly being altruistic here, you're on crack. Sounds like they're sitting on a bunch of stock and need to move it. It's a gimmick.

And I'm sorry, but $12 to double-dip on top of what I originally paid (it's even more if you live in Hawaii or Alaska) is hardly a great deal when I could save my money and watch the HD DVD I already have and spend that money on a new title.

They plan on addicting those HD DVD owners on Blu-ray.

kamspy
04-22-2009, 10:52 PM
In hindsight, all my HD DVD spending was a poor decision.

Now I have to carry around some HD DVD deck for the rest of my days.

For me, the convenience of an "all-in-one" box for all my media transport needs outweighs the benefits of the firesales.

Hopefully, the PS3 get's a firmware update to play HD DVDs.:lol:

Seriously though, as nice as the duel format decks are, they're a might outdated for the asking price.

Maybe one day HD DVD will be a little logo on the bezel of BD players next to 'dts-ma' and 'true-hd' like the "DivX" logo is on DVD players today.


Otherwise, I'll always being hauling around some form of HD DVD player so I can watch my Bourne's, Matrix's, Fear and Loathing, etc.

Chris Gerhard
04-23-2009, 03:51 AM
Yeah, you guys are right. I never thought that one through before posting. :o

It looks like it's a win-win for everyone involved, but I won't be joining the party because there's no point in double dipping.

Warner isn't a charity so they offer a promotion like this when it costs the least amount, including having the least impact on sales at a profitable price. A year ago, the negative aspects would have been greater so they offer it now. Nobody needs to kid themselves, the motives are entirely business minded and whether or not the cost will be justified by the positive sales results over the long run, I don't think they will ever know. It is a calculated promotion, nothing more, nothing less.

Chris

iDarren
04-23-2009, 04:01 AM
That's an amazing deal :eek: I think I will return my 10 HD DVD's :banana:

Nikopol
04-23-2009, 04:25 AM
In hindsight, all my HD DVD spending was a poor decision.

Now I have to carry around some HD DVD deck for the rest of my days.

For me, the convenience of an "all-in-one" box for all my media transport needs outweighs the benefits of the firesales.

Hopefully, the PS3 get's a firmware update to play HD DVDs.:lol:

Seriously though, as nice as the duel format decks are, they're a might outdated for the asking price.

Maybe one day HD DVD will be a little logo on the bezel of BD players next to 'dts-ma' and 'true-hd' like the "DivX" logo is on DVD players today.


Otherwise, I'll always being hauling around some form of HD DVD player so I can watch my Bourne's, Matrix's, Fear and Loathing, etc.

Without wanting to offend anyone, i sort of agree. We are now in 2009 and i'm seeing things a bit differently than in 2007/2008. While my HD DVD player works fine (doesn't get used much though), i don't really know what i'll do once it breaks. I also hope, that one day players might be common that can also play HD DVDs as part of "legacy playback" like VCD or SACD playback today. But as time goes on and my BD collection is growing, HD DVD is becoming more and more a relict of the past for me. I don't think i'd want to bother getting another player, once mine breaks. Again: i'm not bashing the format, just saying that for me after moving on, i'm not that much attached to it anymore.

I've tried reducing some of the titles i care less about from both formats. Due to the limited selection of titles available during the format war, my HD DVD (and BD) collection from that time does have a rather big number of titles that aren't essential to me (fillers from sales :rolleyes:, blind buys, films not worth watching a second time, films i don't need to own, etc.) and could be sold without even bothering to get them on Blu. Prices for HD DVDs right now are almost rock-bottom, so i'm not in a hurry to sell them. I offer them at imo decent, but not cheap, prices (averaging at ~ 7-9 Euros after i give a 'discount') and once in a while someone picks up a few. Giving them away for almost nothing like 5 Euros and lower isn't an option, but i see a lot of people doing that.

I'll try to slowly phase out most of my HD DVD's and replace essentials with a Blu copy. Which is actually just a handful, when i think about it. Since i wasn't a hardcore collector, only a few of my HD DVD's are rare or still format exclusive. This will bring me into a position, that in case my HD DVD player breaks in the future, i can easily decide if it's better to buy another player or simply use the money to get the remaining "essentials" on Blu.

WB offer sadly isn't available here in Germany. I would gladly exchange some of my titles. Though with selling the HD DVD and rebuying the Blu during a sale, i can sort of do that on my own without WB. :thumbsup:

Chris Gerhard
04-23-2009, 04:51 AM
WB offer sadly isn't available here in Germany. I would gladly exchange some of my titles. Though with selling the HD DVD and rebuying the Blu during a sale, i can sort of do that on my own without WB. :thumbsup:

Yes and many others have been doing that the last year but the Warner offer with getting to keep and sell your HD DVD in addition to buying the Blu-ray version for $5 is so much better.

Warner in foreign countries apparently operates autonomously in many cases and sometimes the US gets the better decisions and others not. I am trying to find some way to import the Genesis 1970-1975 SACD box set with NTSC DVD-V's at a price I am willing to pay. Warner US never released an SACD in the US and this set is available here as CD/DVD-V. I was able to find the 1976-1982 SACD/NTSC DVD-V set at a price I was willing to pay but gave up on the 1983-1998 set and just purchased the CD/DVD-V version. The 1970-1975 set is the crown jewel and unfortunately the most difficult to find for import to the US. The SACD v. DVD-A format war continues to be a pain, Warner has effectively quit releasing DVD-A along with their decision to avoid SACD in the US. I am trying to decide whether to import the SACD/PAL DVD-V set or just purchase the CD/DVD-V set here.

Chris

gossamer
04-23-2009, 06:49 AM
Those covers that I am returning I plan to scan first.

mshulman
04-23-2009, 08:35 AM
What I didn't see mentioned yet is that not all the titles can be replaced for $4.95. Some of the box sets are $14.95.

Still a decent deal and I know I plan on taking advantage of it to reduce my loss if I end up with a dead HD DVD player some day.

bruceames
04-23-2009, 08:37 AM
In hindsight, all my HD DVD spending was a poor decision.

Now I have to carry around some HD DVD deck for the rest of my days.

For me, the convenience of an "all-in-one" box for all my media transport needs outweighs the benefits of the firesales.

Hopefully, the PS3 get's a firmware update to play HD DVDs.:lol:

Seriously though, as nice as the duel format decks are, they're a might outdated for the asking price.

Maybe one day HD DVD will be a little logo on the bezel of BD players next to 'dts-ma' and 'true-hd' like the "DivX" logo is on DVD players today.


Otherwise, I'll always being hauling around some form of HD DVD player so I can watch my Bourne's, Matrix's, Fear and Loathing, etc.

I kind of feel the same way about most of my HDM spending, since it's so easy to buy titles that are on sale because of the novelty of having HDM. I got carried away with DVD, too, and to me those are far more obsolete than my HDM will ever be, because its only 480p.

To me, obsolete means something better replaced it, and that won't happen with HD DVD until Blu-ray is replaced as well. You can argue about specs, codecs, bitrate all you want, but for all practical purposes the formats are equal.

The only real disadvantage of having HD DVD is future hardware support, but unless you move a lot or don't want to have a second player connected, there will always be players available cheap on ebay, at least until you don't care about watching them anymore (probably when we're all enjoying the next new format). I use several players, as some have advantages over others, so for me the all-in-one player is a thing of the past, given all these formats. I wouldn't buy media if I wanted to sell it at a loss whenever new formats came along. It's just cheaper to rent.

It's nice though that WB is doing this for those who think it's worth it for a no upgrade double dip, for the purpose for considating hardware.

MikeRox
04-23-2009, 09:26 AM
I'm just sticking with HD DVD for what I already own apart from films that are now getting sequels on Blu-ray (to keep franchises on a single format, I've already double dipped Batman Begins) but for the most part I am waiting for the inevitible price drops that will happen in time before double dipping and certainly not paying full whack for anything I already own on HD DVD.

I like having "random" formats for novelty value anyway :) that was the main appeal of laserdisc to me when I bought it in 2002 and Universal's HD DVD intro things are far better than their BDs :p

On the plus side, this offer will make "complete" Warner Bros HD DVD titles rarer :lol:

Chris Gerhard
04-23-2009, 09:41 AM
In hindsight, all my HD DVD spending was a poor decision.

Now I have to carry around some HD DVD deck for the rest of my days.

For me, the convenience of an "all-in-one" box for all my media transport needs outweighs the benefits of the firesales.

Hopefully, the PS3 get's a firmware update to play HD DVDs.:lol:

Seriously though, as nice as the duel format decks are, they're a might outdated for the asking price.

Maybe one day HD DVD will be a little logo on the bezel of BD players next to 'dts-ma' and 'true-hd' like the "DivX" logo is on DVD players today.


Otherwise, I'll always being hauling around some form of HD DVD player so I can watch my Bourne's, Matrix's, Fear and Loathing, etc.

I don't consider my HD DVD collection a poor decision but I can't argue with those that knew to own only Blu-ray and keep it simpler. I am going to have a working HD DVD player for the rest of my life, at least that is my plan. I don't expect anything better than 1080p for consumer formats so I will use it and my grandchildren that visit will watch it and other than knowing Grandpa is the only person that owns it, it will work just fine.

Chris

PFC5
04-23-2009, 03:29 PM
If you honestly think Warner is strictly being altruistic here, you're on crack. Sounds like they're sitting on a bunch of stock and need to move it. It's a gimmick.

And I'm sorry, but $12 to double-dip on top of what I originally paid (it's even more if you live in Hawaii or Alaska) is hardly a great deal when I could save my money and watch the HD DVD I already have and spend that money on a new title.

It is only $12.00 (including the $6.95 shipping) IF you only do one exchange. That cost drops significantly with each additional title you exchange, and you STILL get to keep the actual HD DVD disc & case.

I just went through and picked most of my Warner titles on HD DVD that are included with the offer and the cost was $100.00 for the BD version and $6.95 for the S/H on all of them combined, so the S/H cost drops to less than 50 cents per title if you do a lot of them.

I have not decided whether I will do this deal or not myself, but it sounds like a very good deal/offer/gesture to me. Warner could be re-releasing these titles again with lossless and figure this would be a good way to eliminate the many BD titles that only have standard DD on these BD catalog titles.

Regardless, for someone who wants to try and eliminate the need of having to find another HD DVD player if there current player(s) break it helps, but not unless the other HD DVD studios do it also.

Lee Stewart
04-24-2009, 11:03 AM
Still trying to figure out this deal and how it helps the consumer.

1. If you are an HD DVD owner, excellent chance you own titles by other studios.

2. If the goal is to get out of HD DVD totally and into BD totally, then it only works for those with only WB titles (see above).

3. Why are people spending more money to get the same titles on BD?

Is it a case where the BD has lossless and the HD DVD doesn't? Or the BD has been judged with better PQ than the HD DVD? Different special features?

kamspy
04-24-2009, 11:40 AM
Still trying to figure out this deal and how it helps the consumer.

1. If you are an HD DVD owner, excellent chance you own titles by other studios.

2. If the goal is to get out of HD DVD totally and into BD totally, then it only works for those with only WB titles (see above).

3. Why are people spending more money to get the same titles on BD?

Is it a case where the BD has lossless and the HD DVD doesn't? Or the BD has been judged with better PQ than the HD DVD? Different special features?

For me it's the hope that I won't have to carry around an HD DVD player for the rest of my movie watching days.

DonnyDC
04-24-2009, 12:57 PM
I remember my neighbour had this huge Beta collection, it was like a mini blockbuster. But everytime I wanted to watch a movie I also had to borrow one of his players.

So thats another reason to get the blu ray version, to make it easier for future movie moochers.

3. Why are people spending more money to get the same titles on BD? Glass half full...
Sure you can see it that way... or.. you could see it as getting the Blu Ray at a discount...

kamspy
04-24-2009, 01:20 PM
I wonder if Toshiba still get's some sort of royalty for the remaining HD DVDs when they sell...

Would it be smart for them just to let other CEMs license the format like DVD with DivX?

I mean, it would show good faith to the people who bought into the format and feel abandoned by the company (like me). I use to buy Toshiba laptops exclusively. They can take a beating and are priced very well. But when I need to go laptop shopping again, I'm gonna have a bias against getting another Satellite.


I know Sony wouldn't be pasting the HD DVD emblem on the bezel of one of their BD players for a long time, but since all the firmware updates are already there, it would be nice if Toshiba would license it out for pennies. It's not like they're doing anything with it.


If they wanted to salvage some of the R&D they could try to make it a burning medium and just undercut BD on blank media prices.


But I'm sure there's loads of semantics that will prevent this common sense move to happen.


So yeah, Warners gonna be getting some money from me. Universal could stand to make a buck or two if they follow suit.

bruceames
04-24-2009, 01:25 PM
Universal could stand to make a buck or two if they follow suit.

Most of Universal's HD DVDs are not yet out on BD, so I doubt they will follow suit, especially since they were never a nuetral studio to begin with. Perhaps Paramount may follow suit, but I doubt it, unless they have excess inventory, too.

mshulman
04-24-2009, 01:26 PM
Still trying to figure out this deal and how it helps the consumer.

1. If you are an HD DVD owner, excellent chance you own titles by other studios.

2. If the goal is to get out of HD DVD totally and into BD totally, then it only works for those with only WB titles (see above).

3. Why are people spending more money to get the same titles on BD?

Is it a case where the BD has lossless and the HD DVD doesn't? Or the BD has been judged with better PQ than the HD DVD? Different special features?

simple..

I have over 25 HD DVD movies that are WB titles. Pretty close to 25, but I think just over. If I spend $5 per title (aside from the box sets) to upgrade them to Blu-ray, that's 25 titles I won't need to worry about being useless if my HD DVD player dies.

If one average each title cost me $25, then I can end up with both an HD DVD and Blu-ray for $30. Not a bad deal. As we add HD TV's to our house, we'll add blu-ray players and now I'd have more movies to watch on any TV we'd want to watch them on.

So I see this as a nice benefit to give me some assurance that the movies I have will continue to be usable in the future.

Lee Stewart
04-24-2009, 03:40 PM
simple..

I have over 25 HD DVD movies that are WB titles. Pretty close to 25, but I think just over. If I spend $5 per title (aside from the box sets) to upgrade them to Blu-ray, that's 25 titles I won't need to worry about being useless if my HD DVD player dies.

If one average each title cost me $25, then I can end up with both an HD DVD and Blu-ray for $30. Not a bad deal. As we add HD TV's to our house, we'll add blu-ray players and now I'd have more movies to watch on any TV we'd want to watch them on.

So I see this as a nice benefit to give me some assurance that the movies I have will continue to be usable in the future.

OK - this one makes sense. You now have more than 1 BD player in the house but only 1 HD DVD player. And by the offer - you still get to keep the HD DVD's.

So you will spend almost $135 to get 25 copies of movies you have already seen. As opposed to maybe using the $ to buy 10 BD's you have never seen?

PFC5
04-24-2009, 03:53 PM
I may do it, but movies like 300 that I will likely never watch again I would not even pay the $5.00 to rebuy on BD myself. I am sure a few movies that people would not want to watch again will likely not be replaced. At least i would not.

kamspy
04-24-2009, 04:02 PM
I may do it, but movies like 300 that I will likely never watch again I would not even pay the $5.00 to rebuy on BD myself. I am sure a few movies that people would not want to watch again will likely not be replaced. At least i would not.

My big list is the Matrix set, Batman Begins, the wife's Harry Potters, Happy Feet (which has been utterly destroyed by the kids, but WB doesn't have to know that), Training Day, The Departed, and even 300.

Blade Runner isn't really worth the $15, and there are a few more I won't be redeeming.

But I'm really glad about the ones I can.

PFC5
04-24-2009, 04:35 PM
I would consider the Complete Matrix set I have, but I only saw the Ultimate set included in the offer.

Kosty
04-24-2009, 05:33 PM
OK - this one makes sense. You now have more than 1 BD player in the house but only 1 HD DVD player. And by the offer - you still get to keep the HD DVD's.

So you will spend almost $135 to get 25 copies of movies you have already seen. As opposed to maybe using the $ to buy 10 BD's you have never seen? $135 is worth the piece of mind and convenience to me if I had that many copies.

Its certainly worth it to me now as I have less than the full 25 at the moment. No brainer for Blu-ray versions fro under $5 each. :)

PrinceLH
04-24-2009, 07:32 PM
I think that I'll just keep the $132.00 in my jeans and not worry about it. Yes, I am a Blu supporter, but already have three players that can play HD DVD, so I'm sure that I can watch them when I want to.

Jon B.
04-25-2009, 12:23 AM
It seeems like a decent offer but I would only do it to take advantage of the HD audio codecs. The WB movies I have are The Departed, Training Day, Troy and 300 and are already HD audio. I have Goodfellas, Unforgiven and Swordfish but that would be going from DD+ to Dolby Digital 5.1 in Blu.

I would probably do Casablanca for the Ultimate Blu collectors edition but I don't know if $17 is worth it for 1 exchange. Anybody have this box and can opine?

h0mi
04-25-2009, 12:36 AM
I am pleased as hell with this offer and as soon as I unpack my discs, I'll take advantage. Any word on what's with Matrix? I have the other Matrix box set since there were 2 HD DVD box sets but just 1 Blu-ray. (I've the one lacking animatrix).

The_Omega_Man
04-25-2009, 04:39 AM
Thanks WB, but i'll pass! :hithere: You've done enough for me already, thanks again! :rolleyes::banghead: :angel:HD::angel

D-X....your killing me! :lol:

bropaul6
04-25-2009, 08:39 AM
You must exchange for the same title only.

OSU-Vette
04-26-2009, 05:22 PM
The gesture is very appreciated by me, I only have the HD-DVD player in the theater room, so Blu-Ray is in the family room where I put the new Sony LCD so we are watching a lot of Blu-Rays there.

One not of caution - be careful when choosing, for instance Planet Earth showed $9.95 then the cart was listed at $14.95, same for Ultimate Matrix, $14.95/$19.95.

Also, Planet Earth disappeared from the selections yesterday, fortunately I had it in my cart already, will be interesting to see if it is honored, they took my payment.

PrinceLH
04-26-2009, 06:35 PM
Still trying to figure out this deal and how it helps the consumer.

1. If you are an HD DVD owner, excellent chance you own titles by other studios.

2. If the goal is to get out of HD DVD totally and into BD totally, then it only works for those with only WB titles (see above).

3. Why are people spending more money to get the same titles on BD?

Is it a case where the BD has lossless and the HD DVD doesn't? Or the BD has been judged with better PQ than the HD DVD? Different special features?Wait three years, and the Warner BD titles will be in the $5.00 bin, at Walmart. Save the postage and the artwork, and sit tight.

HD Goofnut
04-26-2009, 07:17 PM
Wait three years, and the Warner BD titles will be in the $5.00 bin, at Walmart. Save the postage and the artwork, and sit tight.

I agree as I don't intend to spend more money by even triple dipping on some titles.

Separately, why did you even buy Waist Deep?

mshulman
04-26-2009, 07:54 PM
OK - this one makes sense. You now have more than 1 BD player in the house but only 1 HD DVD player. And by the offer - you still get to keep the HD DVD's.

So you will spend almost $135 to get 25 copies of movies you have already seen. As opposed to maybe using the $ to buy 10 BD's you have never seen?

Yeah, I'll do that. $135 would probably get me closer to 5 or 6 BD's. In my list of 25, are Harry Potter's collection, Planet Earth, Ocean's collection and Matrix collection. So its a pretty decent price to upgrade everything I have PLUS keeping the HD DVD's.

I could even ebay the 4 collections above and probably cover my costs if I wanted to.

PrinceLH
04-27-2009, 09:27 PM
I agree as I don't intend to spend more money by even triple dipping on some titles.

Separately, why did you even buy Waist Deep?$6.88 for a title that I have never seen.

DonnyDC
04-27-2009, 09:58 PM
$6.88 for a title that I have never seen.I think its worth that for Meagan Good.

kamspy
04-27-2009, 10:40 PM
Separately, why did you even buy Waist Deep?

Oh noez, an urban movie!:eek: Those can't be good!

:rolleyes:

PrinceLH
04-28-2009, 08:22 AM
Oh noez, an urban movie!:eek: Those can't be good!

:rolleyes:

Nothing like mindless violence, when you've had a hard day at work and your tired.:angel

MikeRox
04-29-2009, 05:36 AM
I think its worth that for Meagan Good.

I was gonna say that. I IMDB'd her ass having watched the Love Guru and seen how well she filled that bikini :p certainly put Waist Deep on my radar. :p

Chris Gerhard
05-07-2009, 02:53 AM
Wait three years, and the Warner BD titles will be in the $5.00 bin, at Walmart. Save the postage and the artwork, and sit tight.

Quantity manufactured is too low and manufacturing costs are too high, this won't happen. Of course, some demand estimates will be high and some titles manufactured in too great a quantity and will have to be clearance priced but I don't see $5 as possible. The price point so far when this happens is about $10 and that will surely drop a little, but not 50%. The number of different titles is too small and if you look, many of the $5 bargain bin DVD titles are public domain. Also many are titles that won't ever even get a Blu-ray release, very cheap B movies. We are seeing about about 20 new Blu-ray releases each week right now, not much compared to DVD when so many titles ended up not selling well. So much less was at stake with DVD since the cost to release a title was so much less.

I think this Warner promotion is an excellent deal for many titles right now and there will never be a better deal. Has anybody that ordered with this promotion received anything? I made my order immediately and haven't received an email confirmation or anything in the mail.

Chris

The_Omega_Man
05-07-2009, 03:04 PM
I think its worth that for Meagan Good.
I'd buy that for a dollar! ;)

WLKNDED
06-07-2009, 10:10 PM
I was thinking about doing this...:)
Anyone got anything back yet.:huh:huh

h0mi
06-10-2009, 09:12 AM
I haven't placed my order yet... mainly because I picked up Casablanca and am waiting for it to reappear on the web site.