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Hisense 32" LCD, Xbox 360 Question

VQ_Shred
03-11-2009, 09:52 PM
Hi,
I recently purchased a Hisense 32" LCD tv.

I have my Xbox 360 hooked up to it via the component vga cable, it is in HD mode and i'm happy with the way the picture looks.

The problem is when i'm playing a game there seems to be a slight, but constant frame rate drop. There doesnt seem to be any input lag as far as I can tell. The picture is alot better than my old philips tube tv but it seems like the games ran smoother, with more frames on the philips.

I've got the xbox set to 60hz and i've also tried every different display output, such as 1080i etc.. I've even changed around settings on the tv but nothing seems to alleviate this problem. Would connecting the xbox via hdmi make any difference or would it just clean up the picture a bit more?

Sorry if this comes across as a completely stupid question, after all I am a noob and this is my first lcd tv. Thanks in advance to anyone who can help me out! Oh and before you say it, I know this is a cheap set, unfortunatly its all I can afford at the moment.

Bigloww
03-12-2009, 06:47 AM
I am not sure exactly what you are describing.. :confused: It could be a bit of lag which is common with many LCD displays and fast action games/programs. You did not list the TV's model but the Hisense 32" LCD I have looked up have response times of between 8-10 ms. Not bad, but not great either.. CRT has 0 lag /response time issues, so that may be why you didn't see this issue with that setup.

As far as the connection goes.... You say it is "connected via component vga cable".. Which one is it, component or VGA?? They are 2 different connection/cable types. Since you said 1080i it appears to be component (red, green and blue cables)... If you tried 1080i and 720p and the issue is the same, that is about all you can do there. You TV's native resolution is 1366x768.

With the VGA cable, you can choose from a list of resolutions that is closest to your TV's native resolution (again, in your case 1366x768).. You may want to try that cabe instead, but if lag is what you are experiencing, that will not fix that most likely..

VQ_Shred
03-12-2009, 09:28 AM
I am not sure exactly what you are describing.. :confused: It could be a bit of lag which is common with many LCD displays and fast action games/programs. You did not list the TV's model but the Hisense 32" LCD I have looked up have response times of between 8-10 ms. Not bad, but not great either.. CRT has 0 lag /response time issues, so that may be why you didn't see this issue with that setup.

As far as the connection goes.... You say it is "connected via component vga cable".. Which one is it, component or VGA?? They are 2 different connection/cable types. Since you said 1080i it appears to be component (red, green and blue cables)... If you tried 1080i and 720p and the issue is the same, that is about all you can do there. You TV's native resolution is 1366x768.

With the VGA cable, you can choose from a list of resolutions that is closest to your TV's native resolution (again, in your case 1366x768).. You may want to try that cabe instead, but if lag is what you are experiencing, that will not fix that most likely..

My mistake, it is connected via component.

Whatever the problem is, it seems to be there when I connect with the vga cables aswell. Its bothering me enough that i'm considering returning the tv. I just bought it 3 days ago.

Is there any good lcd's or plasma's between 20 and 30" which are proven to not have any lag issues and are good for gaming?

PFC5
03-12-2009, 09:54 AM
I think to varying degrees you might find this with many LCDs. it is just the slowness of response rates with LCDs. I would say to check the response rate spec on any TV you are considering, but they do not all use the same method to time it. I would look at (in this order) Samsung, Sony, & for a budget display the Vizio models.

Hope this helps & welcome to the forum! :hithere:

VQ_Shred
03-12-2009, 10:36 AM
Thanks for the help!

Is this a problem with plasmas aswell? Sorry for all the noob questions. haha

PFC5
03-12-2009, 11:08 AM
No plasmas are much faster and very close the response times of CRTs. I think I read once that the response time of plasmas is 0.001ms compared to as low as 4.0ms on some of the more expensive LCDs.

Bigloww
03-12-2009, 11:20 AM
No plasmas are much faster and very close the response times of CRTs. I think I read once that the response time of plasmas is 0.001ms compared to as low as 4.0ms on some of the more expensive LCDs.

Yes, as PFC stated, response times of plasmas are a non issue. But you will not find a plasma in your size request. 42 is basically the smallest they make. A couple companies like Vizio made a 32'' model recently but they are no longer avaliable to my knowledge.. If gamming is a big concern I would look to a top tier brand as mentioned above.Some of those have response times of 4 ms and will be better. But those of course are going to run you more $$$..

VQ_Shred
03-13-2009, 12:17 AM
Ah ok thanks again guys. The exact model I have is the 32' HISENSE 29 series LCD Flat Panel HDTV.
It says on their website that the response time of this set is 6ms. So if I buy another lcd its not going to get alot better than that I suppose.

Is it better for me to run the xbox at 720p or 1080i? Also, just to confirm, connecting via hdmi wont make any difference to this issue?

I've asked my brother and girlfriend if they notice the same choppiness i've been noticing and they dont seem to. Its starting to make me think I could be crazy, but I am definetly noticing some choppiness compared to my old television.

Is there anything at all I can do with the settings on the television to help the issue? In fact, I dont know what half of the picture settings even are, it doesnt explain them at all in the manual. I've read every inch of it more than once.

PFC5
03-13-2009, 08:11 AM
Turn off any noise reduction "enhancements" as this tends to slow down the display from real time and causes video lag behind where it actually is in the game according to where the console is at. This can cause dropped frames or possibly video studder.

Probably even more important is to make sure the 360 is feeding the NATIVE resolution of the display so it does not have to scale the signal to the screens native resolution. If a display has a weak scaling chip it will cause delays & dropped frames to try to keep up.

Can you provide a link to your model & possibly the manual as well? That could help us see what settings changes might help.

VQ_Shred
03-13-2009, 10:41 AM
I'll search for the model...

VQ_Shred
03-13-2009, 10:42 AM
Ok here is the link to the model in question:
http://www.hisense-usa.com/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=56&idproduct=4

only difference is mine is the european version, but I cant seem to find that anywhere.
Also, i've searched google for the manual and cant find it. I could give you a list of the available picture settings if that would help?

Bigloww
03-13-2009, 11:04 AM
I would IMO, go back to VGA if you still have the cable. Choose 1366x768 as you resolution choice and shut off all the PQ enchancers like PFC said (if you have them enabled).. That is about all you can do. And 6ms response time for an LCD TV is good, so...:what:

PFC5
03-13-2009, 02:17 PM
I would IMO, go back to VGA if you still have the cable. Choose 1366x768 as you resolution choice and shut off all the PQ enchancers like PFC said (if you have them enabled).. That is about all you can do. And 6ms response time for an LCD TV is good, so...:what:

I agree with Bigloww about going back to a VGA cable since that is all that you need for the game console and remove the possible issue of HDCP issues with HDMI. 6ms should be good enough if they measure it like other mfg, but that is not a certainty.

If you list all the settings then we can help with what to turn off that could be causing the dropped frames. I have never even heard of this brand before. :o

VQ_Shred
03-13-2009, 06:02 PM
Ok, so perhaps vga is the way to go. I will have to purchase a vga cable for the xbox 360 as it didnt come with one.

The picture settings are as follows,
Obviously in the main picture settings we have:

Brightness
Contrast
Colour and
Sharpness.

In the enhanced settings we have:

DNR (which can be set to off, low, med or high)
Black level extender (can be set on or off)
White peak limiter (on or off)
CTI (off, low, med or high)
Flesh tone (on or off)
and finally adaptive luma control (also on or off)

In the screen section is image position and something called phase adjust, I have no idea what the latter is.

I had also never heard of this brand before purchasing it, I was assured by the sales person that it is a well made brand and apparently the panel is made by Samsung.
Perhaps I should have mentioned to the sales person that I would be mainly using the tv for gaming.

I am worried that I wont get a refund or even store credit if I return the television, because I suppose I should have asked the relevent questions when purchasing it. I had never heard of this issue before. So I suppose if theres no fix for this I am just stuck with the problem.

PFC5
03-13-2009, 08:46 PM
Turn all of these OFF:

DNR (which can be set to off, low, med or high)
Black level extender (can be set on or off)
White peak limiter (on or off)
CTI (off, low, med or high)
Flesh tone (on or off)
and finally adaptive luma control (also on or off)

Also try turning the sharpness & contrast down and get a calibration disc.

VQ_Shred
03-15-2009, 07:09 PM
Ok I tried that PFC5,
it doesnt seem to make much of a difference to the problem. I suppose it might be something I just have to learn to live with. I'll get a calibration disc anyway. Thanks again for the help

VQ_Shred
03-19-2009, 11:00 PM
Ok, so I got the HD VGA cable for my xbox 360. Seems to have helped the problem a bit.

I actually am experiencing some input lag when I connect my ps2 via scart to the television. Is there anything I can do to alleviate this or just something I have to live with? Also, the picture is very pixelated when playing the ps2.. Even if I dont have the picture filling the entireity of the screen.. Any tips?

Also, any opinions on this crt? Samsung WS32Z409T
I think its discontinued, but what do you guys think a tv like this would be worth now?

Thanks in advance.