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Component input on Sony Trinitron Won't work

Kent McVety
02-23-2009, 10:43 PM
I recently purchased a Toshiba combo VCR-DVD Recorder. The DVD Recorder has a component output along with composite, S-Video, and HDMI outputs. The component output works only with the DVD side, not the VCR. I have a five year old Sony Trinitron TV and a 9 month old Westinghouse LCD HDTV.

The component output works fine when connected to the Westinghouse LCD, but does not work when connected to the Trinitron's component input. The image on the Sony is skewed and made up of diagonal lines. At first I thought the component input on the Sony was bad, but to my surprise when I connected my five year old Sony DVD recorder, it worked on both the Sony Trinitron and the Westinghouse LCD.

I tried two different cables, and the results were the same. The DVD was my own home video, therefore no copy protection.

I called Toshiba and was told there was a compatibility problem. If the component inputs on the Sony TV are not compatible, then why does the old Sony DVD recorder work on both TVs when the new Toshiba recorder only works on the newer LCD TV?

Does anyone have problems with new equipment not working with older TVs using the component outputs and inputs?

Does anyone have an explanation?

Kent McVety

BrianO
02-23-2009, 11:25 PM
I recently purchased a Toshiba combo VCR-DVD Recorder. The DVD Recorder has a component output along with composite, S-Video, and HDMI outputs. The component output works only with the DVD side, not the VCR. I have a five year old Sony Trinitron TV and a 9 month old Westinghouse LCD HDTV.

The component output works fine when connected to the Westinghouse LCD, but does not work when connected to the Trinitron's component input. The image on the Sony is skewed and made up of diagonal lines. At first I thought the component input on the Sony was bad, but to my surprise when I connected my five year old Sony DVD recorder, it worked on both the Sony Trinitron and the Westinghouse LCD.

I tried two different cables, and the results were the same. The DVD was my own home video, therefore no copy protection.

I called Toshiba and was told there was a compatibility problem. If the component inputs on the Sony TV are not compatible, then why does the old Sony DVD recorder work on both TVs when the new Toshiba recorder only works on the newer LCD TV?

Does anyone have problems with new equipment not working with older TVs using the component outputs and inputs?

Does anyone have an explanation?

Kent McVety

Not all component-video inputs have the same capabilites. What is the full model number of the Sony TV?

kegobeer
02-24-2009, 05:46 AM
Not all component-video inputs have the same capabilites. What is the full model number of the Sony TV?

Also, what's the full model number of the Toshiba recorder?

rbinck
02-24-2009, 10:08 AM
Just about all of the combo VCR/DVD units work the same way. They only output the VCR through the NTSC 480i outputs. That would be the s-video and composite and RF if it has one. They do not put the electronics in the combo to convert the composite video to component video. This is because the component output can probably be set to progressive scan and the VCR will be interlaced scan and it would require an analog video deinterlacer.

On the other hand they do convert the DVD signal to both component and the 480i outputs for people using the unit with SDTVs.

So the 480i outputs will support everything, but the component outputs will only support the DVD. The DVD is digital, so a digital deinterlacer is built into the basic chip.

Some of the newer combos that upconvert and have digital output (HDMI) will have the electronics to convert the VCR analog video to digital for outputting via the HDMI output and there are a few combos that will output the VCR via the component outputs, but the majority of the combo units work the same way as yours.

What we do is to hook up both connections. Then the user can use the component video input for progressive scan DVD and the video (composite or s-video) input for the VCR. Since you already have the unit, that's what I would recommend.

Kent McVety
02-28-2009, 12:44 AM
The model number of my Sony TV is KV-13FS100. It is a 13 inch FD Trinitron WEGA. The Toshiba Recorder is D-KVR20KU.

Kent McVety

BrianO
02-28-2009, 05:57 PM
The model number of my Sony TV is KV-13FS100. It is a 13 inch FD Trinitron WEGA. The Toshiba Recorder is D-KVR20KU.

Kent McVety

The Sony KV-13FS100 is an analogue TV and its component-video input probably can handle 480i signals only. I doubt that it can even handle 480p. Make sure that the Toshiba DVD recoder/player's component-video output is not set up to send the TV a signal it cannot handle.

On the other hand your Westinghouse HDTV's component-video inputs accept 480i. 480p, 720p and 1080i, so it will accept any signal you feed it.

Kent McVety
03-01-2009, 01:54 AM
BrianO,

I think you have the answer to my question. My old Sony DVD recorder is not upconverting, while the new Toshiba is. This would explain why the old Sony recorder will work with both TVs and the new Toshiba will only work with the Westinghouse LCD. I was not aware that the component outputs would upconvert. I thought only the HDMI outputs did this. Thank you for the information. Strange that Toshiba's customer support did not know this.

Kent McVety

BrianO
03-01-2009, 01:01 PM
BrianO,

I think you have the answer to my question. My old Sony DVD recorder is not upconverting, while the new Toshiba is. This would explain why the old Sony recorder will work with both TVs and the new Toshiba will only work with the Westinghouse LCD. I was not aware that the component outputs would upconvert. I thought only the HDMI outputs did this. Thank you for the information. Strange that Toshiba's customer support did not know this.

Kent McVety

There is no reason why you cannot get the DVD portion of the Toshiba recorder to work with the Sony TV. You just need to make sure that it is sending a 480i signal to the TV. This can be done by using a composite-video or s-video connection, or making sure that the Toshiba is set up to send a 480i signal via its component-video output (assuming that it can output 480i via its component-video outputs).

You could try 480p via component-video but I doubt that it will work with any FS100 series TV because my FV300 series Sony (a more expensive line of the same vintage) cannot handle 480p inputs.

OTOH, simply use the Toshiba with the Westinghouse so you can use it to its full capability. If your old Sony recorder still works use it with the Sony TV

Kent McVety
03-02-2009, 04:25 AM
You are correct. I turned off the progressive mode on the Toshiba recorder so that the output would be 480i, and it worked. This makes it possible to output through the component output to the Sony TV.

Kent McVety