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Whay does the top rated plasma look like crap??

Daffypuck
02-17-2009, 10:53 PM
Sorry about the title o the thread, but I was hoping it would grab some attention. But it's not too far from the truth. At at my wits end when it comes to upgrading from my 42" 720p Sammy to either a 52" or 58" 1080p model. I did research online to find the best displays in my price range. The Panasonic PZ800U THX model was rated at or near the top for plasmas. I finally was able to find a retail store that actually had this model on display. They had "a night at the museum" playing on it. I wasnt impressed. It looked like crap. Ben Stillers face was very bland and lacked any clarity. It looked no different thatn a 720 display would produce. I had the salesman hook up a BD player to a Sony Bravia model and there was a difference. Generally a brighter, higher contrast & more clarity. But it was nothing compared to a Sony model i had checked out last week sometime that was playing one of those demo disks with clips from different movies. It was playing a scene from "X-Men United" & Magnetos face was cyrstal clear & 3-D almost. His pores were visible, the colors were vibrant, it was like he was right there. My questionis this: Can the movie title make a difference in what Im seeing? Are the Sony Bravias that much better than the PZ800U or the a Sammy 550 / 650 model? Why was I seeing such a contrasting difference in picture quality? Before I drop this much money on a new display, I want to make damn sure Im getting what I pay for.

F91
02-17-2009, 11:23 PM
It's all in the settings mate. Chances are, the stores would REALLY love to sell you the much more expensive Sony. Check the recommended settings for the Panny and then go back to the store and see what they've got it set at. I bet it not even close!

Bigloww
02-17-2009, 11:38 PM
"I finally was able to find a retail store that actually had this model on display"



That about sums it up..

omeletpants
02-17-2009, 11:51 PM
I'm not impressed with Panasonic plasmas either. Always look like crap to me

Caponegville
02-18-2009, 12:20 AM
I'm not impressed with Panasonic plasmas either. Always look like crap to me

Have you owned one? Or maybe even seen one outside of a retail store that was calibrated correctly?

PFC5
02-18-2009, 04:14 AM
In the ultra bright stores, plasmas will not look as good as the very bright LCDs. It is in normal lighting at home where the plasmas shine.

As far as that particular XXpz800u model, reset it to defaults and then use the THX mode on it and the PQ should improve but remember that it will not look as bright in those ultra bright showrooms. Trust me. You would not want the settings of those LCDs to be used at home as they would hurt your eyes on the bright scenes in a dimly lit room.

erict
02-18-2009, 06:31 AM
Have you owned one[/B]? Or maybe even seen one outside of a retail store that was calibrated correctly?

I'll answer that, noooooo:p

Jim Bob Jones
02-18-2009, 06:40 AM
If you have problems with properly adjusted Panasonic plasmas either your eyesight needs checking or you prefer not to see pictures reproduced very close to life like. Some people prefer juiced up audio and video.

Daffypuck
02-18-2009, 06:59 AM
Let me clear something up first. Clarity is not something that settings will greatly affect. Correct? Or incorrect? The picture settings will affect color, hue, brightness & contrast. Oh, & sharpness. Changing the settings arent going to make Ben Stillers skin suddenly clearer and more lifelike. Im colorblind, so Im not going to notice small discrepancies in color. What I notice is 3 dimensional clarity!! That sampler BD I watched the other day was crystal clear. I also recall a 65" Sharp with Spiderman 3 playing that looked rather good. A night at the museum was pale and pasty compared to the two. I have a feeling that If I take either of the 2 afor mentioned BD's to the store and play them, I might get a better resultout of the PZ800U. But if I dont, Im gonna have to go Samsung or Sony.

As far as settings go, yeh, I knew the settings would be an issue there in the store. I mentioned matching online prices and they said bring in printed sales and they would see what they could do. I plan on taking a couple of BD's in and also setting all the TVs to as equal as I can and watching BD on them. Im probably gonna piss em off cause Ill be there a while. What settings should I set the tvs on to kind of get them on an even playing field?
Thanx yall!

omeletpants
02-18-2009, 09:09 AM
Have you owned one?

Think about what you just said. If I think they look like crap then why would I own one. Duh! :eek:

Daffypuck
02-18-2009, 01:23 PM
Yes, I have a Samsung 42" 720p display. For 720p, its great. Ive seen better, Ive seen worse. All Im saying is, that I wasnt blown away like I was when I saw that sampler BD at another store. As I stated, Im wondering if its just the moive and not the display. Sooo, I'm gonna take the same movie that blew me away into the store with the 800u and see if it makes a differnce. Im not impressed by color, or brightness when Im at the store. I knwo they turn the brightness and all that up to make us flock to them like moths. I want the three-dimensional crisp image that Ive seen here and there as Ive been searching for a new 1080p display. I was under the impression that the PZ800U would be one of those TVs, but it wasnt. At least the model with the settings and movie playing that I saw.

RandyWalters
02-18-2009, 01:39 PM
Think about what you just said. If I think they look like crap then why would I own one. Duh! :eek:But if you actually owned one then you wouldn't be jumping into so many threads saying that it looks like crap! :hithere:

PFC5
02-18-2009, 01:50 PM
Let me clear something up first. Clarity is not something that settings will greatly affect. Correct? Or incorrect? The picture settings will affect color, hue, brightness & contrast. Oh, & sharpness. Changing the settings arent going to make Ben Stillers skin suddenly clearer and more lifelike. Im colorblind, so Im not going to notice small discrepancies in color. What I notice is 3 dimensional clarity!! That sampler BD I watched the other day was crystal clear. I also recall a 65" Sharp with Spiderman 3 playing that looked rather good. A night at the museum was pale and pasty compared to the two. I have a feeling that If I take either of the 2 afor mentioned BD's to the store and play them, I might get a better resultout of the PZ800U. But if I dont, Im gonna have to go Samsung or Sony.

As far as settings go, yeh, I knew the settings would be an issue there in the store. I mentioned matching online prices and they said bring in printed sales and they would see what they could do. I plan on taking a couple of BD's in and also setting all the TVs to as equal as I can and watching BD on them. Im probably gonna piss em off cause Ill be there a while. What settings should I set the tvs on to kind of get them on an even playing field?
Thanx yall!

See my post 3 posts up for how to set the pz800 series plasma in the store as a decent base setting, but keep in mind that in the ultra bright stores it will likely look kind of dull, but in normal home lighting it will look much different. There is a reason why calibrators set them up with the lighting people will be watching them at home typically. You must adjust for the environment as that is how our eyes work. ;)

PFC5
02-18-2009, 01:53 PM
But if you actually owned one then you wouldn't be jumping into so many threads saying that it looks like crap! :hithere:

Exactly!

Watching a plasma in the ultra bright stores is NOT going to show what they will look like in a typical home. I think that is WHY Panasonic has bumped up the brightness of the new plasmas coming out so they can compare better in these ultra bright stores. When they are brought home and adjusted for normal lighting, then they will just save more energy costs and will be set to the proper lighting of the home they are in.

omeletpants
02-18-2009, 03:26 PM
But if you actually owned one then you wouldn't be jumping into so many threads saying that it looks like crap! :hithere:

Hey Randy! :hithere: Don't you love all the little emoticons here? I don't own an 80u because it is crap. It's one of Panny's dirty little secrets. The 800 series is decent, but the 80u is their little loss leader for those that buy name brand and not quality. You have to admit it's PQ is the most complained about on the internet. I send a dancing banana your way! :banana:

RES4CUE
02-18-2009, 03:37 PM
I would stick with the source matirial. I have several Blu Rays that range in image quality, so it might just have been a case of comparing apples to oranges. I have a Samsung PN50A650, I love it. But there are PQ diffences between Fios HD and Blu Ray and even video games. I think the biggest improvement over my 40" 720 LCD is the motion blur issue of which there is really none. I know people love the panny's here, but just do your homework on it, I found mine for 1300.00 which was a great deal!

PFC5
02-18-2009, 03:54 PM
Hey Randy! :hithere: Don't you love all the little emoticons here? I don't own an 80u because it is crap. It's one of Panny's dirty little secrets. The 800 series is decent, but the 80u is their little loss leader for those that buy name brand and not quality. You have to admit it's PQ is the most complained about on the internet. I send a dancing banana your way! :banana:

Just like anything else, if you use poor settings, then you will have poor PQ. I have excellent PQ with my 50pz80u and with the DVE color gels I have all 3 colors spot on which I have never had happen with any of the 6+ HDTVs I have calibrated with DVE before.

No question the pz80/85u models are the budget models, but they are excellent for the price when properly adjusted. Have you seen one properly adjusted/calibrated? If not, then you cannot comment with actual info which IS what he was saying. ;)

Even adjusting by eye in the store the model I bought looked better than the Samsung when i adjusted both to the best I could get.
Add the better blacks, and the consistently much higher reliability ratings for Panasonic plasmas over the Samsung plasmas (or LCDs) and I chose the 50pz80u, and everyone that sees mine says it is the best picture they have ever seen, so far, including the top cable installer they sent to solve an issue with my cable signal. They had 4 guys there and they thought the PQ was amazing and the best they have seen, so HOW you adjust/set up the display makes a huge difference as you know especially when in a home environment.

I will add that many people here have used my settings and say they love their pz80/85u display once they used my settings and thought they were much better than tweaktv.com's settings. I bet i can make the Samsung or any other HDTV look horribly bad if a mess up the settings, so the most important thing for a great picture is to adjust the display properly. You know this yet you base these remarks on some poorly setup displays.

I think it is time you put that disclaimer in your signature that your livelihood depends on your business relationship with Samsung so people can understand WHY you post what you post. ;)

omeletpants
02-18-2009, 04:58 PM
I think it is time you put that disclaimer in your signature that your livelihood depends on your business relationship with Samsung so people can understand WHY you post what you post. ;)

Your assumption is nonsense. My work with Samsung contributes a few $ of income to me each year. I knew a lot about them well before I had any contact with them. I work with a lot of companies that generate more income for me that I think their products are crap.

Daffypuck
02-18-2009, 05:00 PM
OK, Ive narrowed it down to 2 brand's models. I just got back from a 3hr tour of 3 different outlet joints. Had each one trying to convince me they would underprice their competitor. I took a BD and looked at the same scene on about 5 or 6 different models of 3 or 4 brands. Sadly and to my disappointment, the 800U just didnt sit well with my eyes. I reset all the settings on each tv I viewed. I switched to the THX mode on the 800U as well. Clarity is where the tv fell short. It just didnt have the clarity & crispness of the Sony & Samsung models. I looked at the Sony KDL52W4100 and the XBR6. The only difference between the 4100 (that I could see) & the XBR was the color processor. Since I'm color blind, i wont notice the slight color discrepancies. So Ive decided to go with either the KDL52W4100 , the Samsung AN52650 LCD or the equivalent model plasma 50". Believe you me when I say that I watched all of these on multiple settings. The clarity, crispness & 3-D images I got from the 2 afor mentioned models was the selling point. I looked at the 60hz models side by side with the 120hz models and there was, of course, quite a difference.
Of these 2 LCDs & one plasma, which do you all prefer?

PFC5
02-18-2009, 05:41 PM
Your assumption is nonsense. My work with Samsung contributes a few $ of income to me each year. I knew a lot about them well before I had any contact with them. I work with a lot of companies that generate more income for me that I think their products are crap.

I was under the assumption from what YOU have previously posted that you work with Samsung a lot. Are you now saying you do not work with them a lot? What kind of work do you do?

newtodef
02-18-2009, 05:43 PM
The op wants to know about the 800u not the 80u, if Im not mistakin omeletpants I have seen you tell people to go for the 800u, how did this discussion get converted to another 80u/85u thread? We know you hate the 80u omeletpants and everytime one of these threads are posted you get in the same argument with the same people using the same points, how long can you really beat a dead horse? Don't get me wrong omeletpants you are entitled to your opinion and im not trying by any means to insult you or anyone else, but continuing to argue the same points in a worthless use of an otherwise helpful thread. The thing that makes forums like this good is that people have different tastes and opinions and that gives many possibilites for people to get what they need. Again no offense to you or anyone else.

PFC5
02-18-2009, 05:47 PM
OK, Ive narrowed it down to 2 brand's models. I just got back from a 3hr tour of 3 different outlet joints. Had each one trying to convince me they would underprice their competitor. I took a BD and looked at the same scene on about 5 or 6 different models of 3 or 4 brands. Sadly and to my disappointment, the 800U just didnt sit well with my eyes. I reset all the settings on each tv I viewed. I switched to the THX mode on the 800U as well. Clarity is where the tv fell short. It just didnt have the clarity & crispness of the Sony & Samsung models. I looked at the Sony KDL52W4100 and the XBR6. The only difference between the 4100 (that I could see) & the XBR was the color processor. Since I'm color blind, i wont notice the slight color discrepancies. So Ive decided to go with either the KDL52W4100 , the Samsung AN52650 LCD or the equivalent model plasma 50". Believe you me when I say that I watched all of these on multiple settings. The clarity, crispness & 3-D images I got from the 2 afor mentioned models was the selling point. I looked at the 60hz models side by side with the 120hz models and there was, of course, quite a difference.
Of these 2 LCDs & one plasma, which do you all prefer?

Did you get a chance to look at the 800u in a dimly lit area? What about the other plasma? If you are comparing in bright light I had previously mentioned that the plasmas properly set for dimmer lighting would look well, dim in comparison. :D I believe it is more about the lighting where viewed as I have a 47" 1080p at home (60Hz model) and all aspects of my lower model Panasonic plasma look better to me.

From what you are saying, it appears that you prefer the 120Hz effect which you will only get with LCD so I would suggest you go with one of those models afterall it is YOU who must like what you see. I would choose Sony for the reliability side of the equation, and Samsung for the PQ side of the argument. It is up to you which mean more to you. Only you can answer that question though.

Please let us know what you end up getting.

omeletpants
02-18-2009, 06:21 PM
I was under the assumption from what YOU have previously posted that you work with Samsung a lot. Are you now saying you do not work with them a lot? What kind of work do you do?

we supply them with a few Korean speaking consultants each year. Big deal---not. Point is that having this limited contact with them I do understand how they operate as a company, their goals and how Korean culture affects how they approach business and competition. No mystery or secret squirrel stuff.

omeletpants
02-18-2009, 06:22 PM
The op wants to know about the 800u not the 80u, if Im not mistakin omeletpants I have seen you tell people to go for the 800u, how did this discussion get converted to another 80u/85u thread? We know you hate the 80u omeletpants and everytime one of these threads are posted you get in the same argument with the same people using the same points, how long can you really beat a dead horse? Don't get me wrong omeletpants you are entitled to your opinion and im not trying by any means to insult you or anyone else, but continuing to argue the same points in a worthless use of an otherwise helpful thread. The thing that makes forums like this good is that people have different tastes and opinions and that gives many possibilites for people to get what they need. Again no offense to you or anyone else.

Yes, I think the 800 series is a much better effort on Panny's part and I can see why people like that model.

erict
02-18-2009, 06:27 PM
Your assumption is nonsense. My work with Samsung contributes a few $ of income to me each year. I knew a lot about them well before I had any contact with them. I work with a lot of companies that generate more income for me that I think their products are crap.

Just like yours is about the 80/85u.

Daffypuck
02-18-2009, 07:10 PM
PFC5, yes I looked at the 800U set to the THX mode. Like I said before, Its not the brightness or contrast that shyed me away from it. It was the soft, not quite as crisp details of the persons face that made it unappealing. Dont get me wrong, its a great tv, but when i looked at the Sony model, the clarity (not brightness) was there. Granted, the LCD was briter. I sat there and set it on cinema mmode which really darkened the picture there in the store. But the one redeeming quality was the clarity & 3-D lifelike quality of the persons face compared to the Pannys lack there of.

You mentioned that the SOny was the only one that had the 120hz. Doesnt the Samsung 650 have that feature? The LCD as well as the Plasma of the same model.

Id like to save as much money as I can while still retaining the quality I seek. I just wanted to get some of yalls opinions and advice before I just bought on the spur of the moment. The plasma is the way to go, but I lose 2". The next time I go look I will decide what to buy after one more quick look at each model. Isnt there a Samsung model that i can drop to and still have, for the most part, the same tv? Someone mentioned the A630 in another thread instead of the A 650.

omeletpants
02-18-2009, 07:23 PM
PFC5, yes I looked at the 800U set to the THX mode. Like I said before, Its not the brightness or contrast that shyed me away from it. It was the soft, not quite as crisp details of the persons face that made it unappealing. Dont get me wrong, its a great tv, but when i looked at the Sony model, the clarity (not brightness) was there. Granted, the LCD was briter. I sat there and set it on cinema mmode which really darkened the picture there in the store. But the one redeeming quality was the clarity & 3-D lifelike quality of the persons face compared to the Pannys lack there of.

You mentioned that the SOny was the only one that had the 120hz. Doesnt the Samsung 650 have that feature? The LCD as well as the Plasma of the same model.

Both Samsung and Sony have Motion Interpolarization. I have the Samsung 950 and it's a wonderful set. All the detail of a Kuro but the ability to brighten up the picture without losing detail is what sold me.

newtodef
02-18-2009, 08:35 PM
Just wondering daffy, was the 800u being shown with the same feed that the rest of the tv's were or did they have it hooked up to its own BD player? Im not saying that you should get the 800u but I was just wondering. Also how much clarity can you really get out of Ben stillers face:) On another note if it was on its own BD player not all BD's have the same PQ it could have been a crappy movie.

Ntruder
02-18-2009, 08:52 PM
Plasmas always look poor in comparison to LCD's inside of showrooms. But I swear its an optical illusion. Get the plasma's home and they blow the LCD's out of the water.

I just got an Elite 111FD plasma, and I wouldn't trade it for 3 Samsung 750 series LCD's. (except to then sell and buy another Elite)

BTW, don't listen to omeletpants. He's proven to be an anti plasma troll and his comments really don't seem to reflect anything short of his bizarre personal opinion. BTW, the 950 doesn't hold a candle to the Elite. The only situation where you could even possibly speak the word "950" instead of Elite would be if you wanted a TV set in a glass house with no curtains on a planet with no nightfall.

Daffypuck
02-18-2009, 08:54 PM
Thats what i thought. So I went back to the store with movie in hand and played it on the 800u (hooked up to its own Sony BD player). I then took the movie and watched it on a Sony, also hooked up to its own player and so on and so on. The only difference was that the Samsungs & Sony were 52" and the 800u was a 58" model. When I first started, I was dead set on a 58" tv. But now I have decided I can proabably get by with a 50" or 52". Im going from a 42" up to 52", so that should be good enough I figure. Plus it saves me about $500-$600.

Ntruder, My budget is at most $2600. Preferably, If I can get by with sacrificing pq, Id go plasma and as low as $1400.

F91
02-18-2009, 09:09 PM
You mean how the Korean Govt. subsidizes their industries and has tarrifs to protect their economy?

we supply them with a few Korean speaking consultants each year. Big deal---not. Point is that having this limited contact with them I do understand how they operate as a company, their goals and how Korean culture affects how they approach business and competition. No mystery or secret squirrel stuff.

Ntruder
02-18-2009, 09:23 PM
Thats what i thought. So I went back to the store with movie in hand and played it on the 800u (hooked up to its own Sony BD player). I then took the movie and watched it on a Sony, also hooked up to its own player and so on and so on. The only difference was that the Samsungs & Sony were 52" and the 800u was a 58" model. When I first started, I was dead set on a 58" tv. But now I have decided I can proabably get by with a 50" or 52". Im going from a 42" up to 52", so that should be good enough I figure. Plus it saves me about $500-$600.

Ntruder, My budget is at most $2600. Preferably, If I can get by with sacrificing pq, Id go plasma and as low as $1400.

I just went through virtually exactly what you are going through right now, and have hours upon hours of research/viewing, so I think I can help. Best advice I could give:

1) You sound like a guy who cares about PQ. If you jump to a 58", you will make huge sacrifices on PQ to stay under $2600. Usually, the jump from 50/52" to 58" costs about $800. Therefore, my first piece of advice would be to look for a 50/52". This should be good for up to about 8-10ft viewing distance.

2) Right now you can purchase a Pioneer Kuro 5020FD (50" non-Elite plasma) for $2200 at Best Buy or $1900 online. This is the best possible TV of any size/category that you can purchase for under $2600. (I just snagged a Pioneer Elite 50" plasma for $2600+tax, but I had a friend hook me up, so thats unlikely to happen again) The PQ of the Pioneer 5020FD will kill just about TV on the market short of the $6,000 Sony XBR8, and of course, the Pioneer Elite.

3) Your next best option would be a Panasonic 50PZ800u, but you're going to pay around $1800, and for another $1-200, you can jump up to the Pioneer 5020FD.

4) Both of these options will have a better picture and deeper blacks, more accurate colors than the Samsung LN52A650/750 LCD, which cost about $1900/2100 respectively. A friend of mine has a Samsung LN46A750, and I would put the Pioneer up against it any day of the week.

Speaking of which, you want to read a good review comparing the Pioneer 5020FD and the Samsung LN52a650? (almost identical to the 750) Go to AVS forum slash avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1116731 (you can't link to AVS from here)

5) If you want to get cheaper still, I'd probably look at the Panasonic 50PZ85u or 80u. They're a step down from the 800 and 850u, but have received great reviews. You can't get anything close to their prices in LCD, and no 120hz LCD's sell that cheap in 50".

newtodef
02-18-2009, 09:25 PM
Thats a good budget, you can get a really nice tv either way you go. At the end of the day go with what looks good to you and you will be happy:)

PFC5
02-18-2009, 09:44 PM
PFC5, yes I looked at the 800U set to the THX mode. Like I said before, Its not the brightness or contrast that shyed me away from it. It was the soft, not quite as crisp details of the persons face that made it unappealing. Dont get me wrong, its a great tv, but when i looked at the Sony model, the clarity (not brightness) was there. Granted, the LCD was briter. I sat there and set it on cinema mmode which really darkened the picture there in the store. But the one redeeming quality was the clarity & 3-D lifelike quality of the persons face compared to the Pannys lack there of.

You mentioned that the SOny was the only one that had the 120hz. Doesnt the Samsung 650 have that feature? The LCD as well as the Plasma of the same model.

Id like to save as much money as I can while still retaining the quality I seek. I just wanted to get some of yalls opinions and advice before I just bought on the spur of the moment. The plasma is the way to go, but I lose 2". The next time I go look I will decide what to buy after one more quick look at each model. Isnt there a Samsung model that i can drop to and still have, for the most part, the same tv? Someone mentioned the A630 in another thread instead of the A 650.

Do you want "clarity" created by the display that is not in the original material you are watching? If so then it sounds like you should look at the LCDs, but if you want the most accurate picture, then you should look at plasmas IMO.

Again when you have a less bright display next to a overly (inaccurately) bright nright display it WILL likely look like it has more 'clarity". What I am saying is that this is BECAUSE of the overly bright showroom and not a reflection of how it will look in your home. If you want proof, just change to the same settings on the pz800u to CUSTOM mode and you will have a better point to compare, but then you will have the same inaccurate picture to compare and i am sure the pz800u can match it for inaccuracy by being overly bright for the showroom environment. At least then you are comparing both with settings optimum for the overly bright showroom.

In the end, YOU should get what you prefer though.

RES4CUE
02-19-2009, 12:53 AM
http://plasmatvbuyingguide.com/plasmatvreviews/panasonic-th50pz85u-vs-samsung-pn50a650.html

aed55
02-19-2009, 01:13 AM
I'm not impressed with Panasonic plasmas either. Always look like crap to me


All right all ready, after about a hundred posts, we get the message, you don't like Panasonic plasma's. Have you nothing better to do than lurk around the forum looking for Panasonic posts, and then make a negative comment about them. Please do us all a favor and find another past time.

Codes20
02-19-2009, 01:19 AM
All right all ready, after about a hundred posts, we get the message, you don't like Panasonic plasma's. Have you nothing better to do than lurk around the forum looking for Panasonic posts, and then make a negative comment about them. Please do us all a favor and find another past time.

It does get old. I'd think someone with so much time would put it to better use.

Anyways, if Panasonic plasmas are so bad, why are they consistently rated high in HT magazines and online?

I'll take my 720p Panny PX75U over any 1080p 120Hz LCD on the market at this point in time.

PFC5
02-19-2009, 02:44 AM
It does get old. I'd think someone with so much time would put it to better use.

Anyways, if Panasonic plasmas are so bad, why are they consistently rated high in HT magazines and online?

I'll take my 720p Panny PX75U over any 1080p 120Hz LCD on the market at this point in time.

Don't forget that they outsell Samsung plasmas year in and year out too. :D

Panasonic plasmas always rate much higher in reliability compared to Samsung also, but they generally rate highest than anyone else so Samsung is just another less reliable brand in comparison. They make nice LCDs, but they seem to be less reliable than Sony who generally makes a comparable LCD PQ wise.

Nevada_MO_Guy
02-19-2009, 06:26 AM
So Ive decided to go with either the KDL52W4100 , the Samsung AN52650 LCD or the equivalent model plasma 50".

Of these 2 LCDs & one plasma, which do you all prefer?

Comparison on Crutchfield (http://www.crutchfield.com/cgi-bin/ProdComp.asp?g=146350&s=0&c=16&cc=01&compareItems=305P50A650&compareItems=305LN52650&compareItems=15852W4100)

Out of those three It seems the Samsung LN52A650 (http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/samsung-ln52a650/4505-6482_7-32887597.html) received a CNET Editors Choice Award.

The Samsung PN50A650 (http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/samsung-pn50a650/4505-6482_7-33016446.html) got an excellent rating.

The 52" wasn't reviewed but the Sony KDL-46W4100 (http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/sony-kdl-46w4100/4505-6482_7-32815337.html) was and got a very good rating.

Out of those three I don't think you could make a bad choice...but I would lean toward the Samsung LN52A650

http://akamaipix.crutchfield.com/products/2008/305/h305LN52650-f_MT_T.jpeg

omeletpants
02-19-2009, 09:03 AM
All right all ready, after about a hundred posts, we get the message, you don't like Panasonic plasma's. Have you nothing better to do than lurk around the forum looking for Panasonic posts, and then make a negative comment about them. Please do us all a favor and find another past time.

So, only opinions that concur with yours are valid? :bowdown:

daleb
02-19-2009, 10:55 AM
Comparison on Crutchfield (http://www.crutchfield.com/cgi-bin/ProdComp.asp?g=146350&s=0&c=16&cc=01&compareItems=305P50A650&compareItems=305LN52650&compareItems=15852W4100)

Out of those three It seems the Samsung LN52A650 (http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/samsung-ln52a650/4505-6482_7-32887597.html) received a CNET Editors Choice Award.

The Samsung PN50A650 (http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/samsung-pn50a650/4505-6482_7-33016446.html) got an excellent rating.

The 52" wasn't reviewed but the Sony KDL-46W4100 (http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/sony-kdl-46w4100/4505-6482_7-32815337.html) was and got a very good rating.

Out of those three I don't think you could make a bad choice...but I would lean toward the Samsung LN52A650

http://akamaipix.crutchfield.com/products/2008/305/h305LN52650-f_MT_T.jpeg

I don't put too much into CNET overall...and I don't see how anybody can go wrong by saying Pioneer, Panasonic, Samsung and Sony displays are great. It's a safe bet!

Excellent service at Crutchfield though..you just have to wait for a sale.

Razor05
02-19-2009, 11:12 AM
I found the 800 series to be really good, from what I saw. I waited though and bought the 850 series, awesome PQ. :thumbsup:

Jim Bob Jones
02-19-2009, 12:31 PM
Plasmas always look poor in comparison to LCD's inside of showrooms. But I swear its an optical illusion. Get the plasma's home and they blow the LCD's out of the water.

I just got an Elite 111FD plasma, and I wouldn't trade it for 3 Samsung 750 series LCD's. (except to then sell and buy another Elite)

BTW, don't listen to omeletpants. He's proven to be an anti plasma troll and his comments really don't seem to reflect anything short of his bizarre personal opinion. BTW, the 950 doesn't hold a candle to the Elite. The only situation where you could even possibly speak the word "950" instead of Elite would be if you wanted a TV set in a glass house with no curtains on a planet with no nightfall.
You guys should refrain from sweeping conclusions. Whether a plasma will blow a particular LCD out of the water very much depends on the sets.

Jim Bob Jones
02-19-2009, 12:34 PM
Samsung reliability sucks, but it is improving-no where to go but up.:lol:

PFC5
02-19-2009, 01:26 PM
You guys should refrain from sweeping conclusions. Whether a plasma will blow a particular LCD out of the water very much depends on the sets.

I think it is a fair statement to say that the average plasmas will give better PQ when from a good mfg compared to the average LCD, but point taken as I had bought a Sanyo 720p 50" plasma and it was horrible both in PQ and with video processing on it.

daleb
02-19-2009, 01:41 PM
Samsung reliability sucks, but it is improving-no where to go but up.:lol:

Seems the only time you use a laughing or happy smiley is when you have something negative to say.

Jim Bob Jones
02-19-2009, 01:51 PM
Seems the only time you use a laughing or happy smiley is when you have something negative to say.
Well it could just as easliy be that you only notice things you consider negative. Now think about that Einstein.

daleb
02-19-2009, 01:57 PM
Well it could just as easliy be that you only notice things you consider negative. Now think about that Einstein.

It was only an observation. Some things just stand out more clearly, like misspellings.

Jim Bob Jones
02-19-2009, 01:58 PM
It was only an observation. Some things just stand out more clearly, like misspellings.
Yep. Just like I said. Proof positive. Misspell that.:lol:

aed55
02-19-2009, 01:59 PM
So, only opinions that concur with yours are valid? :bowdown:


I doubt it will help, but I will make an attempt to enlighten you.

First off, I do happen to own a Panasonic plasma, and am very pleased with it, but that has absolutely no bearing on the following comments.

IMO these forums mainly exist to give people constructive advice on purchasing, and assistance in solving issues they may be having with a particular product.

Just making a statement like "Panasonic Plasma’s look like crap" is really of no help to anybody that is considering the purchase of one. A little info as to why you think they look like crap would be of some use.

Maybe your "yawning" profile picture says it all. It indicates to me you just want to throw out “off the cuff” negative comments and really have no interest taking part in a meaningful discussion.

If you are really interested in being an asset to the forum, take a look at PCF5's replies. He explains why a particular model may or may not be the best choice and does it in a non-condescending way. If the person has already purchased one, he does his best to give suggestions on how to improve the PQ, and not just tell them they screwed up.

If other forum members feel I am wrong about this, feel free to flame away.

Jim Bob Jones
02-19-2009, 02:00 PM
I think it is a fair statement to say that the average plasmas will give better PQ when from a good mfg compared to the average LCD, but point taken as I had bought a Sanyo 720p 50" plasma and it was horrible both in PQ and with video processing on it.

Yeah, I can imagine you turning on the video processing and ending up with a worse image.:lol:

Jim Bob Jones
02-19-2009, 02:03 PM
Listen, the guy is entitled to his opinion, regardless of how misinformed it may be. Why insult him with your patronizing attitude?

daleb
02-19-2009, 02:03 PM
Yep. Just like I said. Proof positive. Misspell that.:lol:

You misspelled 'easily' in your first response. I don't know what you have proved except your standard pattern.

Jim Bob Jones
02-19-2009, 02:25 PM
You misspelled 'easily' in your first response. I don't know what you have proved except your standard pattern.
Yeah, I know. You don't get it do you? Go back and slowly read my earlier posts and hopefully, the light bulb will come on. If not, I'll see about working up an IEP for you.

daleb
02-19-2009, 02:30 PM
Yeah, I know. You don't get it do you? Go back and slowly read my earlier posts and hopefully, the light bulb will come on. If not, I'll see about working up an IEP for you.

I never denied things I consider negative are more noticeable, quite the contrary! I plead guilty as charged!! :)

Vinceg99
02-19-2009, 02:33 PM
OK since this thread has taken quite the turn I will throw in my :2cents OK first I do have a Plasma however the TV that I WAS looking at first was the Samsung LN52A650 it is a GREAT LCD and if thats the kind of picture YOU like than thats what you should get.

I do agree that Plasma does get the short end in retail stores however you have done your homework and went to the store with your own BD and tried settings a stuff so well you were more drawn towards the LCD and thats fine so my suggestions to you would be the Samsung 650.

daleb
02-19-2009, 02:53 PM
OK since this thread has taken quite the turn I will throw in my :2cents OK first I do have a Plasma however the TV that I WAS looking at first was the Samsung LN52A650 it is a GREAT LCD and if thats the kind of picture YOU like than thats what you should get.

I do agree that Plasma does get the short end in retail stores however you have done your homework and went to the store with your own BD and tried settings a stuff so well you were more drawn towards the LCD and thats fine so my suggestions to you would be the Samsung 650.

Interesting..LCDs are brighter and colors are easily made to look more saturated under showroom lighting. I have to admit, when I walked by a Sonystyle store it was difficult not to be drawn in by the displays (the display of displays?)
Perhaps the most convincing demo I have seen compared with the typical B&Ms, plus the place is classy to add to the ambiance.

But get them home and it can be a whole new ball game. Just reiterating that there is more to the argument than meets the eye (no pun intended). You have to choose what you like, or you will never be happy with it over the long haul. That takes more IMO than a casual look in a showroom and reading a couple of reviews.

Vinceg99
02-19-2009, 03:02 PM
Interesting..LCDs are brighter and colors are easily made to look more saturated under showroom lighting. I have to admit, when I walked by a Sonystyle store it was difficult not to be drawn in by the displays (the display of displays?)
Perhaps the most convincing demo I have seen compared with the typical B&Ms, plus the place is classy to add to the ambiance.

But get them home and it can be a whole new ball game. Just reiterating that there is more to the argument than meets the eye (no pun intended). You have to choose what you like, or you will never be happy with it over the long haul. That takes more IMO than a casual look in a showroom and reading a couple of reviews.

Well first he said he was there for 3 hours looking at a few different TV's (and adjusting the setting) so I far from think thats a "casual" look in the show room and also Yes I was interested in that TV (the Samsung 650) because my brother in-law has one it does look great I like mine better but well its mine so yes I have seen BOTH in the home and set up properly and IMO they are both great sets if HE likes the PQ of the LCD better so be it.

Why are you arguing or debating my opinion the post wasnt even directed towards you in the first place I am allowed to give my opinion without having you question it.

daleb
02-19-2009, 03:11 PM
Well first he said he was there for 3 hours looking at a few different TV's (and adjusting the setting) so I far from think thats a "casual" look in the show room and also Yes I was interested in that TV (the Samsung 650) because my brother in-law has one it does look great I like mine better but well its mine so yes I have seen BOTH in the home and set up properly and IMO they are both great sets if HE likes the PQ of the LCD better so be it.

Why are you arguing or debating my opinion the post wasnt even directed towards you in the first place I am allowed to give my opinion without having you question it.

I was not intending to do either. I was only sharing my opinion based on when I was shopping for the same. I understand the OP has been looking beyond casual interest but often displays are selected with a lot less thought. An opinion, which, like you, I am allowed to give without permission. I did not think it was in conflict with your own, if anything is in the same vein.

PFC5
02-19-2009, 03:17 PM
I doubt it will help, but I will make an attempt to enlighten you.

First off, I do happen to own a Panasonic plasma, and am very pleased with it, but that has absolutely no bearing on the following comments.

IMO these forums mainly exist to give people constructive advice on purchasing, and assistance in solving issues they may be having with a particular product.

Just making a statement like "Panasonic Plasma’s look like crap" is really of no help to anybody that is considering the purchase of one. A little info as to why you think they look like crap would be of some use.

Maybe your "yawning" profile picture says it all. It indicates to me you just want to throw out “off the cuff” negative comments and really have no interest taking part in a meaningful discussion.

If you are really interested in being an asset to the forum, take a look at PCF5's replies. He explains why a particular model may or may not be the best choice and does it in a non-condescending way. If the person has already purchased one, he does his best to give suggestions on how to improve the PQ, and not just tell them they screwed up.

If other forum members feel I am wrong about this, feel free to flame away.

When I think someone made a "mistake" in what they purchased I try to help them get the best results possible and if they are still unhappy with the purchase, I give my opinion of what they have for further options like returning the product, repair service, etc.

It serves no good to make someone feel bad about their purchase after it is made so the best thing for people to do is to help them after the fact. People know what they like and they are entitled to this, so it seems being helpful first and foremost is the best way for us all to act.

If everyone follows the Golden Rule then this place will be even better for it. Treat others as you want them to treat you even if they do not return the favor because we can only control ourselves not others. ;)

PFC5
02-19-2009, 03:19 PM
Yeah, I can imagine you turning on the video processing and ending up with a worse image.:lol:

I meant the basic video processing functions that all displays have, not those "features" that are supposed to "improve" the PQ. ;)

In this case, the Sanyo plasma had about the worst SD signal processing and the black levels were worse than many LCDs at the time. It was the 2nd worst implementation of a plasma that i have ever seen, so I returned it very fast.

omeletpants
02-19-2009, 03:23 PM
Now think about that Einstein.

OK Mr. Moderator, do your thing and smite Billy Bob here. He used the word "Einstein" and whenever I use that word you send a warning so do your thing and smite him. :hithere:

PFC5
02-19-2009, 03:24 PM
Interesting..LCDs are brighter and colors are easily made to look more saturated under showroom lighting. I have to admit, when I walked by a Sonystyle store it was difficult not to be drawn in by the displays (the display of displays?)
Perhaps the most convincing demo I have seen compared with the typical B&Ms, plus the place is classy to add to the ambiance.

But get them home and it can be a whole new ball game. Just reiterating that there is more to the argument than meets the eye (no pun intended). You have to choose what you like, or you will never be happy with it over the long haul. That takes more IMO than a casual look in a showroom and reading a couple of reviews.

I agree. I just do not think most people realize how much a comparison between displays can change once they have them in their home with normal lighting compared to the comparison in those ultra bright stores. It can be a very dramatic difference, but ai also agree that people need to buy what they like best and all we can do is help them understand what to look for.

PFC5
02-19-2009, 03:30 PM
Well first he said he was there for 3 hours looking at a few different TV's (and adjusting the setting) so I far from think thats a "casual" look in the show room and also Yes I was interested in that TV (the Samsung 650) because my brother in-law has one it does look great I like mine better but well its mine so yes I have seen BOTH in the home and set up properly and IMO they are both great sets if HE likes the PQ of the LCD better so be it.

Why are you arguing or debating my opinion the post wasnt even directed towards you in the first place I am allowed to give my opinion without having you question it.

I was not intending to do either. I was only sharing my opinion based on when I was shopping for the same. I understand the OP has been looking beyond casual interest but often displays are selected with a lot less thought. An opinion, which, like you, I am allowed to give without permission. I did not think it was in conflict with your own, if anything is in the same vein.

Relax guys. You are both entitled to your opinions and I think they are not much different so we all need to just assume the best from others posts and not get defensive. ;)

I think the OP has done much more research than most people do so my hat is off to him. I personally think he is underestimating how much different displays look in the home compared to those bright showrooms, but that is his choice to make.

Some people like the 120Hz processing with movies and some don't. Some like to make their display look surreal and some what it to look as close to the source material and as "life-like" as possible. It is a matter of personal taste and many newer people to this crazy hobby even change their taste as time goes on. I know I did. I use to like the surreal look once upon a time, but now I look for the most true to the source look.

PFC5
02-19-2009, 03:30 PM
OK Mr. Moderator, do your thing and smite Billy Bob here. He used the word "Einstein" and whenever I use that word you send a warning so do your thing and smite him. :hithere:

you know as well as I do that this word alone was not the issue. ;)

omeletpants
02-19-2009, 03:48 PM
you know as well as I do that this word alone was not the issue. ;)

Not true. Used in almost an IDENTICAL sentence. Do you job and smite him with a vengeance. I don't want you to carry the reputation that you only smite me and that you are an equal opportunity smiter.

PFC5
02-19-2009, 03:54 PM
Not true. Used in almost an IDENTICAL sentence. Do you job and smite him with a vengeance. I don't want you to carry the reputation that you only smite me and that you are an equal opportunity smiter.

:lol:

Here is what YOU said in your post:

I cut and pasted the article, Einstein. Maybe you can get your mom to read it to you. On second thought, find someone that can read so they can read it to you. :banana:If you cannot see where you went beyond this, and after several other similar exchanges also, then I do not know what to say. Do you REALLY want to publicly air your posts that break the rules and hold them out for what NOT to say in a post? :p

Bigloww
02-19-2009, 04:03 PM
Not true. Used in almost an IDENTICAL sentence. Do you job and smite him with a vengeance. I don't want you to carry the reputation that you only smite me and that you are an equal opportunity smiter.


I am sure myself and many other have no problems with you being"smited".. Another thread hijacked and bombed by Sir Omletpanties....What a shocker..:rolleyes:

Ntruder
02-19-2009, 04:24 PM
You guys should refrain from sweeping conclusions. Whether a plasma will blow a particular LCD out of the water very much depends on the sets.

I figured it was obvious that I meant TV's of the same price category.

Obviously a Sony XBR8 will look better than a Samsung PN450, but its not my responsibility to preface every one of my posts by stating the blatantly obvious ;)

Ntruder
02-19-2009, 04:26 PM
You know, if everyone just stops responding to this "omletpants" troll, he will probably go away.

omeletpants
02-19-2009, 04:55 PM
I am sure myself and many other have no problems with you being"smited"

Then you are not a proponent of fairness

omeletpants
02-19-2009, 04:57 PM
:lol:

Here is what YOU said in your post:

If you cannot see where you went beyond this, and after several other similar exchanges also, then I do not know what to say. Do you REALLY want to publicly air your posts that break the rules and hold them out for what NOT to say in a post? :p

Of course, I said that after he told me to "shove it up my azz". But you left out that little detail, didn't you? :D

Bigloww
02-19-2009, 05:02 PM
Then you are not a proponent of fairness


Yeah.. That and trolling, hijacking threads or posting meaningless bullshit either.. But it is great to see someone has got that covered since Billinprinceton has departed..:rolleyes: Or has he?????

PFC5
02-19-2009, 05:11 PM
Of course, I said that after he told me to "shove it up my azz". But you left out that little detail, didn't you? :D

And HE was dealt with also. ;)

You have shown with some of your posts IMO, that you have no problem with trying to cause a stir with your remarks based on "inside info", but when I ask for more info about this "source" you make very light of the source and it's importance yet you go into multiple threads and repeat it for the only reason I can think of which IS to create this friction. If you have another purpose to repeatedly state the same prediction everywhere you can, that is NOT based on any facts or inside info, please explain this reason.

I cannot see everything everyone posts, just like a traffic cop cannot see every speeder, but when I see it I respond and take action. In this case, I DID take action and the poster apologized for it.

I show no favoritism to posters and I only care about keeping this forum the greatest one out there, but part of doing that is making people feel comfortable posting, and stopping posters from riling up the site needlessly. I am an equal opportunity mod and expect everyone to follow the rules PERIOD!

Ntruder
02-19-2009, 05:22 PM
http://enigma.dune.net/~eric/Do-not-feed-the-troll.PNG

omeletpants
02-19-2009, 05:48 PM
I only care about keeping this forum the greatest one out there,

On this we can agree. I pledge to walk arm in arm with you to make this the greatest forum ever. :thumbsup:

PFC5
02-19-2009, 05:58 PM
On this we can agree. I pledge to walk arm in arm with you to make this the greatest forum ever. :thumbsup:

Sounds good! :yippee:

erict
02-19-2009, 06:18 PM
On this we can agree. I pledge to walk arm in arm with you to make this the greatest forum ever. :thumbsup:

Is there a Brown Nose smilie? Sound familiar

omeletpants
02-19-2009, 06:39 PM
Is there a Brown Nose smilie? Sound familiar

It's this kind of unprovoked hating that just stirs up trouble. There was no reason for your comment other than to troll. Mr. Moderator, please do not smite him for he knows not what he does.

Vinceg99
02-19-2009, 07:25 PM
I was not intending to do either. I was only sharing my opinion based on when I was shopping for the same. I understand the OP has been looking beyond casual interest but often displays are selected with a lot less thought. An opinion, which, like you, I am allowed to give without permission. I did not think it was in conflict with your own, if anything is in the same vein.

Well then sorry I took it the wrong way, from my end it seemed like you were questioning MY opinion on what I had posted with you quoting it and then stating your opinion, yes obviously you are also allowed to have your own opinion but, when I think its wrong is when someone else is questioning another persons opinion I mean unless its just way off like the whole HD will fail thread than yes his opinion was VERY skewed :lol:

So again sorry I took your reply the wrong way:hithere:

Vinceg99
02-19-2009, 07:33 PM
Not true. Used in almost an IDENTICAL sentence. Do you job and smite him with a vengeance. I don't want you to carry the reputation that you only smite me and that you are an equal opportunity smiter.

:lol:

Here is what YOU said in your post:

If you cannot see where you went beyond this, and after several other similar exchanges also, then I do not know what to say. Do you REALLY want to publicly air your posts that break the rules and hold them out for what NOT to say in a post? :p

Of course, I said that after he told me to "shove it up my azz". But you left out that little detail, didn't you? :D

And HE was dealt with also. ;)

You have shown with some of your posts IMO, that you have no problem with trying to cause a stir with your remarks based on "inside info", but when I ask for more info about this "source" you make very light of the source and it's importance yet you go into multiple threads and repeat it for the only reason I can think of which IS to create this friction. If you have another purpose to repeatedly state the same prediction everywhere you can, that is NOT based on any facts or inside info, please explain this reason.

I cannot see everything everyone posts, just like a traffic cop cannot see every speeder, but when I see it I respond and take action. In this case, I DID take action and the poster apologized for it.

I show no favoritism to posters and I only care about keeping this forum the greatest one out there, but part of doing that is making people feel comfortable posting, and stopping posters from riling up the site needlessly. I am an equal opportunity mod and expect everyone to follow the rules PERIOD!

Well considering this comment was directed towards me from Omeletpants I feel the need to be able to reply he doesnt just "smite" you he "smited" me also and I have the warning to prove it so no he isnt being "one sided";)

erict
02-19-2009, 07:34 PM
It's this kind of unprovoked hating that just stirs up trouble. There was no reason for your comment other than to troll. Mr. Moderator, please do not smite him for he knows not what he does.

That is actually a copy and paste from one of YOUR POST responding to me. How easily we forget what we say and post. I think you need to reevaluate on how you post to others before you start crying wolf. Do you need a link to back this up.

omeletpants
02-19-2009, 07:45 PM
Well then sorry I took it the wrong way, from my end it seemed like you were questioning MY opinion on what I had posted with you quoting it and then stating your opinion, yes obviously you are also allowed to have your own opinion but, when I think its wrong is when someone else is questioning another persons opinion I mean unless its just way off like the whole HD will fail thread than yes his opinion was VERY skewed :lol:

So again sorry I took your reply the wrong way:hithere:


Hug it out, boys, See, now isn't that better?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f9/TwoMenHugging.jpg/800px-TwoMenHugging.jpg

4Cowboys4Life
02-19-2009, 08:27 PM
Seems to me the only true way to know what will suit you best is to get both sets in your home and make the comparison, but we know that isn't realistic so all you can do is what you've done.

4Cowboys4Life
02-19-2009, 08:37 PM
Posting from cell phone and ran out of characters. All you can do is take what you've done in the stores and what advice you've been given here and make you own best choice.

Daffypuck
02-19-2009, 09:18 PM
Wow, I thought the title to this thread would grab some attention, but damn!!
I think i have been enlightened to the reletive nature of the term "picture quality". It is just that, relative to the individuals personal tatses and interpretations. I was under the impression that the 120hz tvs were mimicing, or one step closer to what the image was supposed to look like. Apparently thats not the case. With that in mind, thats what I was thinking the 800u was going to look like. But it didnt. Its picture was warmer & softer. Kind of like movie film. The Sony had a crisper, more bright lifelike PQ. Even with the settings set to a cinema style mode to bring down the vivid look, it still held that appearance. This weekend Im going to check out the Pioneer as well as the 52" 800u and compare to the afor mentioned models Ive been contemplating purchasing.

As far as the stores i patronized, HH Gregg sucked. Their showroom was indeed very bright & I had them in a mad scramble to find remotes and BD players to accomadate my wishes. BestBuy was far better with a much softer, dimmer showroom. But, the way they had the displays doublestacked made it difficult, rather impossible, to view BD material on the top TVs. Electronic Express was by far the best of the 3. They had almost every meaningful model of tv hooked up to a BD player. It made for easy and quick viewing as I looked at different models. I think Im goonna hit the other side of town where the richer crowd lives and see what their stores have to offer.

This whole ordeal leads me right back to what Ive spoken about in other threads to first time hi-fi buyers: Find something you really like, stick to it and be content. As soon as you think youve gotten the best, youll find something better and want it. The cycle repeats itself over and over and in the end youre never truly happy. I am really rying to end that horrid cycle and find the tv that will carry me into the next decade. I dont care if they come out with a tv that will serve you diinner. I will be content with this purchase. I have upgraded my audio components and Im content. I have over a half dozen receivers and speaker sets in my garage and in my computer room just collecting dust because they never satisfied me.

4Cowboys4Life
02-19-2009, 09:50 PM
Wow, I thought the title to this thread would grab some attention, but damn!!
I think i have been enlightened to the reletive nature of the term "picture quality". It is just that, relative to the individuals personal tatses and interpretations. I was under the impression that the 120hz tvs were mimicing, or one step closer to what the image was supposed to look like. Apparently thats not the case. With that in mind, thats what I was thinking the 800u was going to look like. But it didnt. Its picture was warmer & softer. Kind of like movie film. The Sony had a crisper, more bright lifelike PQ. Even with the settings set to a cinema style mode to bring down the vivid look, it still held that appearance. This weekend Im going to check out the Pioneer as well as the 52" 800u and compare to the afor mentioned models Ive been contemplating purchasing.

As far as the stores i patronized, HH Gregg sucked. Their showroom was indeed very bright & I had them in a mad scramble to find remotes and BD players to accomadate my wishes. BestBuy was far better with a much softer, dimmer showroom. But, the way they had the displays doublestacked made it difficult, rather impossible, to view BD material on the top TVs. Electronic Express was by far the best of the 3. They had almost every meaningful model of tv hooked up to a BD player. It made for easy and quick viewing as I looked at different models. I think Im goonna hit the other side of town where the richer crowd lives and see what their stores have to offer.

This whole ordeal leads me right back to what Ive spoken about in other threads to first time hi-fi buyers: Find something you really like, stick to it and be content. As soon as you think youve gotten the best, youll find something better and want it. The cycle repeats itself over and over and in the end youre never truly happy. I am really rying to end that horrid cycle and find the tv that will carry me into the next decade. I dont care if they come out with a tv that will serve you diinner. I will be content with this purchase. I have upgraded my audio components and Im content. I have over a half dozen receivers and speaker sets in my garage and in my computer room just collecting dust because they never satisfied me.

That's it man, just find something that in your mind makes you happy, and don't worry about trying to keep up with the Jones's.

daleb
02-19-2009, 10:21 PM
Well then sorry I took it the wrong way, from my end it seemed like you were questioning MY opinion on what I had posted with you quoting it and then stating your opinion, yes obviously you are also allowed to have your own opinion but, when I think its wrong is when someone else is questioning another persons opinion I mean unless its just way off like the whole HD will fail thread than yes his opinion was VERY skewed :lol:

So again sorry I took your reply the wrong way:hithere:

I was a little taken back because you always seem very level-headed.
But nah, not a problem, it is easy to misinterpret things. :)

daleb
02-19-2009, 10:22 PM
Hug it out, boys, See, now isn't that better?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f9/TwoMenHugging.jpg/800px-TwoMenHugging.jpg

Can't fool me! You are the guy in the back trying to stifle a laugh!!!
j/k! :D

omeletpants
02-19-2009, 11:18 PM
Samsung and Panasonic owners unite. We can only dream!
http://pro.corbis.com/images/42-16944040.jpg?size=67&uid=%7BEF4A5B7F-BA64-4D3C-8A84-016BFCA9177D%7D

PanaS0NIC
02-20-2009, 01:24 AM
800u is a great set.

PFC5
02-20-2009, 02:03 AM
Do you work for Pansonic? :lol:

PanaS0NIC
02-20-2009, 02:19 AM
Do you work for Pansonic? :lol:

Nope, just a very biased viewer! haha :lol:

erict
02-20-2009, 06:29 AM
Samsung and Panasonic owners unite. We can only dream!
http://pro.corbis.com/images/42-16944040.jpg?size=67&uid=%7BEF4A5B7F-BA64-4D3C-8A84-016BFCA9177D%7D

Are you on the left or right?

Jim Bob Jones
02-20-2009, 07:30 AM
I figured it was obvious that I meant TV's of the same price category.

Obviously a Sony XBR8 will look better than a Samsung PN450, but its not my responsibility to preface every one of my posts by stating the blatantly obvious ;)
Hey PFC5 has "smited" me on numerous occasions. No hard feelings. However, the only thing "obvious" is your lack of understanding as to what is obvious and what is not.

daleb
02-20-2009, 09:28 AM
Samsung and Panasonic owners unite. We can only dream!
http://pro.corbis.com/images/42-16944040.jpg?size=67&uid=%7BEF4A5B7F-BA64-4D3C-8A84-016BFCA9177D%7D

S-c-arrry!!!!

Jim Bob Jones
02-20-2009, 10:11 AM
Is this where the saying "Head to head" originated?:lol:

Ntruder
02-20-2009, 06:55 PM
Hey PFC5 has "smited" me on numerous occasions. No hard feelings. However, the only thing "obvious" is your lack of understanding as to what is obvious and what is not.

First of all, prefacing an insult with "no hard feelings" doesn't make the insult any less of an insult. So I'm sorry, but despite your "no hard feelings" comment, there are still hard feelings.

Second of all, the thread title has the words "TOP RATED PLASMA" in it. I specifically compared the Pioneer Elite 111FD, the best plasma on the market, to the Samsung a750, a high end LCD. If you still take my "Get the plasma's home and they blow the LCD's out of the water" sentence to mean that ALL PLASMAS are better than ALL LCD's, then I'm sorry, but YOU are the one who is confused, and I am not sorry, nor do I give a damn that you misinterpreted my post failed to determine the meaning of a single sentence inside of what I consider to be proper context.



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Good day :)

mytime
02-20-2009, 07:31 PM
First of all, prefacing an insult with "no hard feelings" doesn't make the insult any less of an insult. So I'm sorry, but despite your "no hard feelings" comment, there are still hard feelings.

Second of all, the thread title has the words "TOP RATED PLASMA" in it. I specifically compared the Pioneer Elite 111FD, the best plasma on the market, to the Samsung a750, a high end LCD. If you still take my "Get the plasma's home and they blow the LCD's out of the water" sentence to mean that ALL PLASMAS are better than ALL LCD's, then I'm sorry, but YOU are the one who is confused, and I am not sorry, nor do I give a damn that you misinterpreted my post failed to determine the meaning of a single sentence inside of what I consider to be proper context.



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Good day :)

Wow. 1st post I've ever seen with a disclaimer. :lol:

Vinceg99
02-20-2009, 11:39 PM
Wow. 1st post I've ever seen with a disclaimer. :lol:

Depending on whos posting im sure many MORE should have them in their Sigs:lol:

Vinceg99
02-20-2009, 11:41 PM
I was a little taken back because you always seem very level-headed.
But nah, not a problem, it is easy to misinterpret things. :)

Maybe in a bad mood, not sure? But either way I looked at it from the opposite end than I should have and yes sarcasm and joking and alike are hard to tell over this here interweb!

Daffypuck
02-21-2009, 12:52 AM
Well, I will end this discussion and tell you my decision. Tonight after work i ventured over to the aristocratic side of town and sat for 2 hrs watching a BD I took with me while walking back and forth between a few models. The bright pretty images that the LCDs shown forth was so hard to resist. even the Samsungs plasmas were bright as well. My heart was beating a little bit more than normal knowing that i was about to deplete my bank account a good $2500 or more. I came so close to getting the Sony. I so wanted to see the 52" 800u, but none were to be found. So, after 2 hrs I finally said F**k it!! I got this....
http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb255/Daffypuck/PDP5020FD.jpg

Daffypuck
02-21-2009, 01:00 AM
The one thing I liked about this TV was its clarity and crispness. On the other hand, it was probably the dimmest tv in the place. Even when I adjusted the settings to absolute brightness, It coulnt match the other models surrounding it. Oh well. Even though this is the poor mans version of the best, I guess itll have to do. I really wanted a 58", but I guess going from a 42" to a 50" 1080p will have to do. Im sure in 2 or 3 years Il want something bigger. The thing that drives me nuts is reading reviews. The cons always get me. I find something that addresses those cons only to find cons of the the thing that I got to fix the cons that bothered me in the first place. I figure since Im color blind I'd get the brand that has the best thing that I can see...Blacks!

Anyone got any settings for the break in period for this model?

PFC5
02-21-2009, 04:55 AM
The one thing I liked about this TV was its clarity and crispness. On the other hand, it was probably the dimmest tv in the place. Even when I adjusted the settings to absolute brightness, It coulnt match the other models surrounding it. Oh well. Even though this is the poor mans version of the best, I guess itll have to do. I really wanted a 58", but I guess going from a 42" to a 50" 1080p will have to do. Im sure in 2 or 3 years Il want something bigger. The thing that drives me nuts is reading reviews. The cons always get me. I find something that addresses those cons only to find cons of the the thing that I got to fix the cons that bothered me in the first place. I figure since Im color blind I'd get the brand that has the best thing that I can see...Blacks!

Anyone got any settings for the break in period for this model?

Excellent choice! :yippee:

Yes all displays have cons unfortunately because there is no "perfect" display or display tech out there yet.

Have you brought your new toy home yet? If not you will see just how unimportant being the brightest display means in normal home lighting compared to in the ultra bright stores. It is true that the Kuros are normally dimmer overall, but they are plenty bright for a normally lit room and you now get the best blacks in your price range.

Enjoy!

PFC5
02-21-2009, 04:59 AM
First of all, prefacing an insult with "no hard feelings" doesn't make the insult any less of an insult. So I'm sorry, but despite your "no hard feelings" comment, there are still hard feelings.

Second of all, the thread title has the words "TOP RATED PLASMA" in it. I specifically compared the Pioneer Elite 111FD, the best plasma on the market, to the Samsung a750, a high end LCD. If you still take my "Get the plasma's home and they blow the LCD's out of the water" sentence to mean that ALL PLASMAS are better than ALL LCD's, then I'm sorry, but YOU are the one who is confused, and I am not sorry, nor do I give a damn that you misinterpreted my post failed to determine the meaning of a single sentence inside of what I consider to be proper context.



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Good day :)

To be fair, JBJ used the word "smited" in quotes to denote that was the term used by the previous poster he was responding to. ;)

I do believe JBJ has no hard feelings since he did apologize and KNEW that HE did break the rules when he received his warning, etc. As far as I am concerned, he responded properly and accepted responsibility for his actions, so yes I think he does not harbor "hard feelings".

I just have to laugh at that disclaimer. You should add it as your signature. :D

erict
02-21-2009, 07:25 AM
The one thing I liked about this TV was its clarity and crispness. On the other hand, it was probably the dimmest tv in the place. Even when I adjusted the settings to absolute brightness, It coulnt match the other models surrounding it. Oh well. Even though this is the poor mans version of the best, I guess itll have to do. I really wanted a 58", but I guess going from a 42" to a 50" 1080p will have to do. Im sure in 2 or 3 years Il want something bigger. The thing that drives me nuts is reading reviews. The cons always get me. I find something that addresses those cons only to find cons of the the thing that I got to fix the cons that bothered me in the first place. I figure since Im color blind I'd get the brand that has the best thing that I can see...Blacks!

Anyone got any settings for the break in period for this model?


You just purchased one hell of a deal. Not a poor man's version by any means. Enjoy your new set, you made a great choice;)

Daffypuck
02-21-2009, 08:43 AM
Oh yes, she's inmy living roon on the floor. It was nearly midnite by the time i got home last night. I wont say i got the best eal on it, but i still got a fair price considering how much this set was a year ago. I had them throw in a wall mount & an HDMI cable as well.

erict
02-21-2009, 09:33 AM
Oh yes, she's inmy living roon on the floor. It was nearly midnite by the time i got home last night. I wont say i got the best eal on it, but i still got a fair price considering how much this set was a year ago. I had them throw in a wall mount & an HDMI cable as well.

Is that the the 5020? If so what did you pay? Did you get it at BB?

Daffypuck
02-21-2009, 12:35 PM
I told them what I wanted, the tv, a wallmount & an HDMI cable for $2099. They agreed. I know its not the best deal to be had, but Im impatient. Ive been slowly ordering my new setup piece by piece a long with a new computer Im building and my patience had run out. i wanted the tv NOW! I wanted the ordeal to be over.

4Cowboys4Life
02-21-2009, 12:47 PM
I told them what I wanted, the tv, a wallmount & an HDMI cable for $2099. They agreed. I know its not the best deal to be had, but Im impatient. Ive been slowly ordering my new setup piece by piece a long with a new computer Im building and my patience had run out. i wanted the tv NOW! I wanted the ordeal to be over.

Cool beans, now just enjoy it and don't look back. :yippee:

Vinceg99
02-21-2009, 12:57 PM
I think $2099 for the Kuro, wall mount, HDMI cable is a fair price for getting it LOCAL. Sure there are things I will buy online rather than in store to save some money but when it came to the TV I wanted it "NOW" like you said and plus I like having a store front to deal with.

Good choice and hope you enjoy your new TV!

Ntruder
02-22-2009, 10:59 AM
The one thing I liked about this TV was its clarity and crispness. On the other hand, it was probably the dimmest tv in the place. Even when I adjusted the settings to absolute brightness, It coulnt match the other models surrounding it. Oh well. Even though this is the poor mans version of the best, I guess itll have to do. I really wanted a 58", but I guess going from a 42" to a 50" 1080p will have to do. Im sure in 2 or 3 years Il want something bigger. The thing that drives me nuts is reading reviews. The cons always get me. I find something that addresses those cons only to find cons of the the thing that I got to fix the cons that bothered me in the first place. I figure since Im color blind I'd get the brand that has the best thing that I can see...Blacks!

Anyone got any settings for the break in period for this model?

Don't worry; I highly doubt that whatever room you put that TV in will have 100 giant metal halide lights hanging in it like Best Buy's showroom. My Pioneer gets so bright, it can hurt your eyes.

Razor05
02-23-2009, 08:44 AM
Is this where the saying "Head to head" originated?:lol:

Two heads are better than one?:lol: