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Direct ? before pulling the trigger on Dish

madsedan
06-14-2005, 11:21 AM
Can anyone tell me why I should get Direct TV over Dish network? I have Charter HD right now, was looking at Direct but they want $300 for the HD receiver, Dish wants nothing for theirs. Direct can only offer me like 5 or 6 channels in HD, less than I have now with Cable since I have local HD's with Charter, Dish can get me like 21 HD channels with the VOOM stuff.
Local Dish guys are offering me the $100 VOOM dish for free now, so its $49.95 out of pocket, which I get back on my first bill, and I can have Dish 500, VOOM Dish, and a Winegard antennae for local HD's plus I can get their DVR in the non-HD equipped rooms for free.
Am I missing something by not going to Direct, other than they have some more sport options?
Robert

oblioman
06-14-2005, 11:28 AM
The only reason one would go with DirecTv is for their NFL package,,and I understand that they are losing subscribers since it's no longer in Hi-Def. Unless you fork over for their so-called superfan package. With dishnetwork and locals,,,you will still get a lot of football. Especially local college games.

madsedan
06-14-2005, 11:34 AM
Thats kind of what I figured, the local Dish guy told me that their business has been exploding over the last 2 months, he figured due to the VOOM stuff and just the high volume of people buyinh HD sets and going to a dish. Much like me, when they look at the 2 options most are opting towards whoever has the better HD options to go with their new set.
Direct better have something up its sleeve other than possible locals in HD in 14 markets over the next year, that ain't going to cut it. And if they are dropping HD on the sports channels I'd imagine they may loose even more subscribers.

oblioman
06-14-2005, 11:51 AM
The way I look at it is this,,they both offer pretty much the same when it comes to basic channels. DishN might be a couple of bucks higher. You start adding premium channels and the content and price stays pretty much the same. When you start looking at HI-DEF,,,,,Dish blows DirecTv back to the days of black & white,,,and a lot cheaper. Now if you really want clean, in your face HD, OTA is the way to go. But that all depends on whats available in your area.

madsedan
06-14-2005, 12:05 PM
I just got off the phone with Direct and its more expensive on a monthly basis for less content, its $86 a month and I only get 5 HD channels. I played stupid and asked about the VOOM channels and the woman said "HMM, I don't know what that is, I do know we offer 5 HD's for you and have many more coming on by the end of the year." When I asked what they were she said they haven't told them yet but it will be locals and only in certain markets, probably not mine.
So, for $300 up front and $86 a month I can get 120, HBO, Showtime, and 5 HD's with Direct and probably NOT my locals in HD by years end.
Or, for $0 up front and $81 a month I get 120+, HBO, Showtime, and 21 HD's with Dish and my locals with a free Winegard antennae.
Why the hell does anyone get Direct if they have an HD tv?

hitdog042
06-14-2005, 04:34 PM
Whoever started that rumor is incorrect. In fact, DTV is adding HD sports to the tune of 125 HD NFL games this year on the NFL package. Thats the only option unless you live in your local teams market, which most people who want the NFL package don't.

The reason DTV is slower on other HD networks is simple... the vast minority has HD right now and DTV takes their time. Sure.. everyone on this board (including me) has HD, that's why we are on here. Currently, HD to SD TV's in the USA are at a ratio of 100 to 1 (SD to HD)... so why rush it?

Market share is not dropping DTV for DISH or anyone else. DTV has done nothing but grow over the last 24 months.

Since no other provider will EVER get the NFL package, DTV has all the customers they need right there.

As for Dish Voom.. they offer 20 some odd HD channels, and most of them are junk. I won't buy HD fishing just to have another HD channel.

Voom went out of business for a reason.

Traak
06-14-2005, 07:55 PM
I guess I will stick up for DTV. Dude, have you even read any boards on both DTV and Dish forums? Have you done any research on either company? Do you go to their websites and read the latest news?

I'll fill you in since you asked and then answered your own answers. It really sounds like your a Dish fan anyways and came over to try and convice someone that Dish is better.

Yea Yea Yea, you can go with Dish for free..and get HD programming from a failed company that was PURCHASED by Dish just to say they have HD programming that they couldnt do ON THEIR OWN. Ok, so now they have some HD programming..so whats the future? What's their lasted Research and Development looking into? NOTHING. Sports? NOPE..HD movies? so? you can watch them on a DVD player..if a movie is made in 480 its going to be in 480 no matter if its on a HD channel or not. New programs? LOL whatever..your going to be STUCK with the same CRAP for years.

So what about us DTV customers? Where do I start? I going to be watching TRUE HD football, baseball, basketball, racing and tons of other stuff..Did I mention that I'm going to be getting all my locals in HD in a few months? Did I mention that they sent/sending BRAND NEW BIRDS to give me tons of new HD programming in the future as it becomes available? What about a solid company when the bidding process becomes available? I'd say DTV will outbid anyone.

Funny how one person said that DTV will lose customers because of the Superfan thing. He is right in a way, DTV will lose some..But I would bet everything I have that they will GAIN MORE than they will lose. Easy.

Why get DTV over Dish? You and everyone reading this (HD lovers) will eventually move to DTV later this year when the birds are activated. So join the winning team now or JUMP ON THE BANDWAGON LATER...if you are a jumper then I feel sorry for ya..

Good luck with your extra HD channels for now..I'll be kicking back in my chair with an ice cold Miller Lite watching HD football and I will not be thinking of your suffering...See you on these boards at the end of the year!!

tase2
06-14-2005, 08:14 PM
I guess I will stick up for DTV. Dude, have you even read any boards on both DTV and Dish forums? Have you done any research on either company? Do you go to their websites and read the latest news?

I'll fill you in since you asked and then answered your own answers. It really sounds like your a Dish fan anyways and came over to try and convice someone that Dish is better.

Yea Yea Yea, you can go with Dish for free..and get HD programming from a failed company that was PURCHASED by Dish just to say they have HD programming that they couldnt do ON THEIR OWN. Ok, so now they have some HD programming..so whats the future? What's their lasted Research and Development looking into? NOTHING. Sports? NOPE..HD movies? so? you can watch them on a DVD player..if a movie is made in 480 its going to be in 480 no matter if its on a HD channel or not. New programs? LOL whatever..your going to be STUCK with the same CRAP for years.


So what about us DTV customers? Where do I start? I going to be watching TRUE HD football, baseball, basketball, racing and tons of other stuff..Did I mention that I'm going to be getting all my locals in HD in a few months? Did I mention that they sent/sending BRAND NEW BIRDS to give me tons of new HD programming in the future as it becomes available? What about a solid company when the bidding process becomes available? I'd say DTV will outbid anyone.


Funny how one person said that DTV will lose customers because of the Superfan thing. He is right in a way, DTV will lose some..But I would bet everything I have that they will GAIN MORE than they will lose. Easy.


Why get DTV over Dish? You and everyone reading this (HD lovers) will eventually move to DTV later this year when the birds are activated. So join the winning team now or JUMP ON THE BANDWAGON LATER...if you are a jumper then I feel sorry for ya..


Good luck with your extra HD channels for now..I'll be kicking back in my chair with an ice cold Miller Lite watching HD football and I will not be thinking of your suffering...See you on these boards at the end of the year!!


Yea, what he said.

ITALIAN926
06-14-2005, 08:19 PM
you can watch them on a DVD player..if a movie is made in 480 its going to be in 480 no matter if its on a HD channel or not.

Im no expert, but Im pretty sure movies are NOT made in 480i/p .. they are all compressed to that format

hitdog042
06-14-2005, 08:47 PM
The guy who said "Dish gets local HD college sports" as a defense for Dish.. I have news for you.... all local college games are in HD if it's broadcast by an HD feed in your area regardless of your provider. OTA is OTA... Dish will NOT have more HD college games than DTV, guaranteed.

It appears OBLI (whatever his name is) just hates DTV, but his research is incorrect and unfounded.

When it comes right down to it, any investor in the stock market knows darn well that DTV will be the HD leader in a matter of a year. The other guy said it best... you can wait and jump on the bandwagon when it happens or get prepared now.

My suggestion is to do your own research and don't flog for opinions from opinionated people on a chat board. By doing simple research, you will learn for yourself who the real leader will be.

I've read a bunch of crap about all these HD stations coming out, but look at them. Look at what they broadcast. It's a joke.

Things are FREE for a reason. They have no customers. DTV charges because they can. A few years ago, DISH didn't even have MLB or NHL because they thought it was too expensive. The only reason they got it is because DTV was blowing them away. Coors signed up with DTV because they knew DTV was never giving up the NFL (which is NOT going away and WILL be in HD).

Follow the leader...

Its sort of like buying Doritos v.s the store brand nacho chips. The store brand is 1/2 the price, but they taste like crap and will never improve.

DISH will always envy DTV and will always be #2.

Spicy Mikey
06-15-2005, 06:24 AM
Hey madsedan, don't listen to Traak and HitDog. They're DirecTV cheerleaders and aren't being objective.

The fact is, this rebroadcaster market is in major transition. NO ONE can make statements about who will be the winner or loosers in 5 years after this all shakes out. It's true DirecTV has been the leading Sat rebroadcaster for the recent past. It's true DirecTV has more subscribers (and more sports options) then DISH. But it's NOT true that DirecTV is the guaranteed winner in the end. In fact, as a heavily invested DirecTV customer myself (5 DVR's, HD package, NFL-ST, etc.) I'm concerned that they have made some recent bad decisions and that I may be betting on the wrong horse.

They certainly took too long to get off the starting line with HD. They're certainly not the low cost provider anymore for basic service OR their HiDef programming. On top of these disadvantages they now seem to be raising their prices even more on the HD stuff (such as the price increase for NFL Sunday Ticket HD games). That has hurt them a little bit and provided a window of opportunity for their competition. I see this a a foolish mistake. Here's a few points of comparison;

Cable is now providing more and better digital service - DirecTV really hasn't added anything exciting in the last few years except a few HD channels (which they charge large premiums for).

Most Cable providers offer DVR's now (and DirecTV hasn't enhanced their Tivo service in 5 years). That used to be a major advantage for DirecTV that is now virtually gone.

Cable is now starting to offer very cool ON DEMAND ppv service. DirecTV couldn't even get their pathetic interactive service to work 3 years ago and have not really offered anything further in the area of on-demand or interactive services (although they keep promising it).

Cable provides the equipment for receiving their service. DirecTV still expects its customers to buy it.

In addition to all that, you have the next revolution coming which involves Voice Over IP (VoIP) phone service. This is a great service which reduces the cost of phone service by 80%! I use it at my house with Vonage. It's great! The cable companies are starting to bundle this new VoIP service into their offerings along with highspeed internet access they already provide. All this from the same fiber optic cable. This is a HUGE advantage for the cable companies that satellite providers will NEVER be able to provide in the near future unless someone can invent a way to squeeze A LOT more bandwidth into these satellites. I'm concerned it won't happen soon enough to save them. It may NEVER happen given the inherent challenges with launching expensive satellites every few years.

Add into this whole mix the fact that TELEPHONE companies are now starting to get into the rebroadcast business starting this year to compete with cable and satellite. Phone companies all ready have a wire coming into our homes and have now figured out how to squeeze enough data through it to provide similar services currently provided by Cable. I can't provide specific articles but I've read many stories on this near future trend.

So you see, there's lots of changes coming in the next 5 years and DirecTV is far from the guaranteed winner. In fact, most experts don't even see them as the favorite so I don't know how anyone can make guarantees about the future for DirecTV. Let's not spew out opinion and pretend it's somehow a "fact".

oblioman
06-15-2005, 07:32 AM
So you see Madsedan,,now that we have the DirecTv ranters out of the way, and thier speculation that Dtv will one day rule the world - we can get on with the facts,,simply put,,dollar for dollar,,Dish is giving you the better deal if you want HD. Remember,,,,Directv will not give you HD football - they no longer offer that package. It went from Sunday Ticket, where if you were lucky, you got some games in HD. This year they changed the package and you have to pay for HD football. They call it SuperFan package,,and a lot of people are miffed about it. I call it the SuperFool package.

madsedan
06-15-2005, 08:09 AM
Bottom line for me is that I have to pay more per month for less content in HD, and $300 out of pocket.
I will NOT have HD locals from Direct TV for at least another year, but as some educated Direct reps told me yesterday they will likely stop selling the HD receiver as they relize the $300 for HD is hurting their membership.
Direct enrollment has gone up over the last few months but nothing like the enrollment rate for Dish, thats from the same source.
I wasn't trying to anger any Direct people I just wanted objective reasons why I should go with Direct over Dish, I don't think I got much other than I will eventually switch to Direct anyway so I might as well do it now???
My local Direct dealer told me that my local market likely wouldn't have local HD's until mid-2006 at the earliest, only about 14 markets will get them this year, I already have them with Charter cable, and that by the time that occurs the equipment will be free or very little charge from Direct.
So, shouldn't I go with a no money charge now with less monthly payment and more channels and then when Direct is free or very cheap and they have more options I can just switch over to them?

oblioman
06-15-2005, 08:16 AM
You speak wisely young man---this is great

"So, shouldn't I go with a no money charge now with less monthly payment and more channels and then when Direct is free or very cheap and they have more options I can just switch over to them?"

But I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for Direct to become cheap or free! :D

Spicy Mikey
06-15-2005, 08:26 AM
Yes, I'd go the way which minimizes your investment since the future is not certain. That's what makes cable more and more of a viable option these days (unless you want NFL). Since I already have DirecTV (bought it in 1999 when it had a clear advantage over cable) and since I want/need the NFL access, I'll be staying with DirecTV (for now). However, if I was making a fresh decision today on which way to go, I doubt I'd make the same decision I made in 1999

besz28
06-15-2005, 08:47 AM
if you do not care about the nfl package then choose the company right for you.right now direct tv is behind in their hd package, but within 1-2 years i think it will be on top of hd programming.just launch the dam satellites :)

oblioman
06-15-2005, 08:49 AM
Keep in mind that I am not proDish nor anti Direct. Its just that for HD right now - dollar for dollar Dish is your best bet. I also feel that Directv's latest fiasco (SuperFan) was an underhanded attempt to re-coup some of the losses that the NFL smacked them with on their latest negotiations. One of the kids on this forum brought up the demise of VOOM because it was HD,,then had the audacity to tell me to do my research,,something about Directv being better because "COORS" signed up with them (I'm still laughing). VOOM brought about thier own demise because of 2 reasons - Number one being the worst marketing team ever. Sears was the outlet and Sears floundered miserably. And overpriced the hell out of it. Reason number 2 is that VOOM was ahead of it's time. A very small percentage of people knew/understood what the HD world was all about and VOOM could not recoup from that. If VOOM was to roll out today and pump itself up as gregariously as Vehix or Geico,,,I think it would be a different story.

hitdog042
06-15-2005, 12:47 PM
I don't know where u get ur info. DTV is not only offering HD NFL, they are expanding it.

www.directv.com

You keep saying it's gone, and that's absolutely incorrect. Go to their website, visit forbes.com, or how about www.nfl.com

I guess they are all liars and Obliman knows the truth!

Or better yet, check out all the recent posts on it.

319.00 = 125 NFL HD games on DTV in 2005. Not going away.

madsedan
06-15-2005, 12:49 PM
I don't know where u get ur info. DTV is not only offering HD NFL, they are expanding it.

www.directv.com

You keep saying it's gone, and that's absolutely incorrect. Go to their website, visit forbes.com, or how about www.nfl.com

I guess they are all liars and Obliman knows the truth!

Or better yet, check out all the recent posts on it.

319.00 = 125 NFL HD games on DTV in 2005. Not going away.
So then is Direct currently only good if you want to watch a crapload of football, thats what I'm getting out of this discussion?

Traak
06-15-2005, 01:30 PM
Hey madsedan, don't listen to Traak and HitDog. They're DirecTV cheerleaders and aren't being objective.

Here's a few points of comparison;

Cable is now providing more and better digital service - DirecTV really hasn't added anything exciting in the last few years except a few HD channels (which they charge large premiums for).

Most Cable providers offer DVR's now (and DirecTV hasn't enhanced their Tivo service in 5 years). That used to be a major advantage for DirecTV that is now virtually gone.

Cable is now starting to offer very cool ON DEMAND ppv service. DirecTV couldn't even get their pathetic interactive service to work 3 years ago and have not really offered anything further in the area of on-demand or interactive services (although they keep promising it).

Cable provides the equipment for receiving their service. DirecTV still expects its customers to buy it.

In addition to all that, you have the next revolution coming which involves Voice Over IP (VoIP) phone service. This is a great service which reduces the cost of phone service by 80%! I use it at my house with Vonage. It's great! The cable companies are starting to bundle this new VoIP service into their offerings along with highspeed internet access they already provide. All this from the same fiber optic cable. This is a HUGE advantage for the cable companies that satellite providers will NEVER be able to provide in the near future unless someone can invent a way to squeeze A LOT more bandwidth into these satellites. I'm concerned it won't happen soon enough to save them. It may NEVER happen given the inherent challenges with launching expensive satellites every few years.

Add into this whole mix the fact that TELEPHONE companies are now starting to get into the rebroadcast business starting this year to compete with cable and satellite. Phone companies all ready have a wire coming into our homes and have now figured out how to squeeze enough data through it to provide similar services currently provided by Cable. I can't provide specific articles but I've read many stories on this near future trend.


Here is a fact..go with your cable..and get ANALOG TV!! WOW thats stepping in the right direction..Spicy says I'm a cheerleader..heh, I'm not, I'm just debating your constant complaining all over DTVs boards. When you get it in your head that HDTV is still new, still costing EVERYONE lots of money to bring it to you ..(ever wonder why so many stations still broadcast analog? ITS EXPENSIVE TO CONVERT!!) and you expect it for FREE?? OK OK, maybe in 5 years or so when ALL TECHNOLOGY gets caught up and on a standard then I will pitch a fit if I have to pay extra for HDTV..I will agree with you then.

Sorry, me and Spicy's view doesnt belong here but since he is the one naming people on this thread...errr here I go again

Ok..If you want Analog TV and some nice features..REMEMBER..your buying into old stuff with new gadgets like buying a Playstation 1 technology that has new upgrades..then go to your cable company. If you want to get a huge dish from a company that has NO GOALS and buys out a business not wanted anymore, gives out free stuff (good business sense?) Anyways, I don't know the future. But I'm one hell of a business guy and from what I do know, buying into old stuff even if it has new wrinkles is bad, and going with a company that gives out stuff free is bad. I'm sure your getting the picture. The statements here about Dish making tons of new customers is more than likely correct. They are getting the people who are cheap, can't afford better equipment or just plain wants free stuff. Those people DTV can live without anyways, they are the ones who normally can't pay the bills..so yea, Dish is getting the Free society people so what? They will terminate them soon enuff anyways.

DTV hasn't enhance their TiVO in 5 years? WOW spicy I really thought you was a better person than that. Why would they even consider enhancing the TiVo service when they are no longer going to support it?? Go to TiVos website and many other places, TiVo was dropped by DTV because DTV is going to have their own service. It is supposed to be interactive and a free service since a third party (TiVO) isnt involved.

Yea I miss the On Demand..ok you got me there but thats what the DVR is for. Still I do miss picking from a list of movies or shows and watching them instantly. Chalk this one up for ya.. :D

Oh yea the VOIP thing..again..it sounds great, but you better read up on it before going to it. Here's some *downfalls* that no one seems to post. If you have kids or even as an adult want 911 service, you don't get it with VOIP. Ask them when you sign up for it, most don't even know but you don't. The call does come into 911 (I have first hand experience) and as long as you can tell them where your at its fine. Your number and address does NOT show up using VOIP. So if you or your children are in trouble and can not give out the address then your screwed. I know they are trying to solve that problem and maybe in some areas they might have a solution but for most areas its not possible. Here's another issue. If and when you lose electric or your cable you lose your phone lines..period. From the experiences I've had, cable lines go down alot. Another fact. Cable lines are shared unlike DSL. As more and more bandwidth is used for VOIP and internet in your local area , you lose speed and the phone connections get worse. Why even go with VOIP when you can cancel your phone service and go with a cell phone anyways? Cell is cheaper and mobile and has the 911 service. Anyways, make sure you know all the facts before rushing into VOIP..again, somehow cheaper is better and 99% of the time its bad news.

Again,you can take the good points and bad points from what people has said and ultimately its up to you. I personally like DTV. I have no problems with them yet and where they are going. I'm not even in the least bit worried. I have no reason to move. I guess if your the type thats not loyal and strickly base decisions on money, then Dish for now is the way to go..and if you like old technology and new services and even the VOIP services that has flaws, then cable will be good. I'm loyal. I'm staying with DTV..

steve51wv
06-15-2005, 01:42 PM
Totally agree Traak. You can beat the pros and cons forever but it all comes down to an individuals choice. I enjoy Directv, of course want more HD, but it will come in time. We have to learn patience, which it seems many have little of these days. Ok, 99 more bucks to get NFL games in HD, I will pay it. It's such a small price to pay for outstanding HD viewing.

oblioman
06-15-2005, 01:55 PM
I don't know where u get ur info. DTV is not only offering HD NFL, they are expanding it.

www.directv.com (http://www.directv.com/)

You keep saying it's gone, and that's absolutely incorrect. Go to their website, visit forbes.com, or how about www.nfl.com (http://www.nfl.com/)

I guess they are all liars and Obliman knows the truth!

Or better yet, check out all the recent posts on it.

319.00 = 125 NFL HD games on DTV in 2005. Not going away.

What did they expand besides their prices? Different views of the same content,,,that's it.

oblioman
06-15-2005, 02:08 PM
and those different views of the same content are NOT IN HI-DEF.

Q:Are the NFL SUNDAY TICKET™ Red Zone Channel, NFL SUNDAY TICKET™ Game Mix and NFL SUNDAY TICKET™ Short Cuts available in HD?A:No, these features are available in standard-definition only.

Spicy Mikey
06-15-2005, 02:57 PM
Am I complaining Traak? I was just trying to throw out some points to consider when comparing cable to sat. I like my DirecTV service but I'm trying to be objective, I'm not leaving DirecTV, but, I believe the edge they had over cable has definitely slipped in the last 3 years.

By the way, not everyone has crappy cable service. I hear people painting this image of cable where every channel is analog and the service is unreliable. Remember, there are HUNDREDS of cable companies around this country. They don't ALL suck. You have to do your homework before making a decision. Here in Orlando we have several companies. Brighthouse services South Orlando, TWC has the north end, etc. My brother uses Brighthouse here on the south side. I've seen his service first hand. I have to be honest, it doesn't suck. Now that they offer a DVR, on Demand movies, etc. I'm sincerely wondering where the advantage is for DirecTV without the sports packages.

Maybe DirecTV realizes that themselves. Maybe that's why they paid through the nose for this NFL extension. Without it they may have little to help distinguish themselves anymore.

Again, I'm not bashing DirecTV. I still use their service and have no complaints (except for the NFL price increase). Just thinking outloud.

madsedan
06-15-2005, 04:13 PM
We were happy with cable until we got the HD tv, never thought about leaving. The SD picture is not good with cable because of so much analog content and we were told that we would probably have a better SD picture with a dish system from Direct or DishN. When I started looking into it it seemed like a no brainer that Dish would work best for me yet so many Direct customers are die hards so I figured I'd ask the question.
Direct wouldn't tell me squat about new stuff except that it would happen eventually.

Traak
06-15-2005, 07:45 PM
Mad, I think you answered your own question..

"Direct wouldn't tell me squat about new stuff except that it would happen eventually."

Call Dish and ask them if they are spending millions of dollars to get new birds in the air to expand that they have. At least DTV can tell you that they are..and will have more HD.

I can't wait to see how many come back or long time users of Dish come to DTV when all the new HD comes.

Oh yea, you know a company is doing pretty darn well when they can outsell another company by selling $300 systems against free systems.. :yippee:

Good luck with your decision :thumbsup: I know I will be seeing you around here soon :hithere:

RSawdey
06-16-2005, 10:42 AM
Digital cable has much more digital content than analog, it's just your familiar choices were in the analog tier - but an increasing number are ALSO on the digital tier, and sometimes in a HD version. Comcast has said they will have digital versions of ALL analog channels by the end of the year.

The common work-around for poor analog quality from your digital STB, is to use the analog tuner in your TV for the analog stations via a cable splitter.

It's unfair to compare the analog SD cable quality with the digital sat SD quality... the fair comparison is with the digital SD cable quality...

Traak
06-16-2005, 02:54 PM
Yea I know about the digital tier..but almost every cable company I've seen and read about uses analog for the local channels. Digital does not start until channel 100 or so...DTV gives all those channels in digital not analog. I would say the majority of tv viewing is local CBS NBC ABC and FOX all of these are under channel 100..If most of your tv watching is HGTV or ESPN or whatever then yea..cable has that in digital.

Spicy Mikey
06-16-2005, 03:19 PM
Well, if you have cable and are mostly watching locals then just use your OTA antenna and get a good HD picture to suppliment the crappy SD. After all, that's what us DirecTV customers have to do ;) No difference there

Traak
06-16-2005, 06:20 PM
Too bad many of us can't get HD OTA or we would :) Some people are lucky and live within 30 miles or so of the tower..

Fl_Gulfer
06-16-2005, 10:35 PM
Dish sucks Had it for 1 day. Told them to come get there crap out of my house, There liers and the stupidest CSR's I've talked too. I'll stick with D* I can wait for all there going to have to offer. :yippee:

madsedan
06-17-2005, 07:47 AM
Dish sucks Had it for 1 day. Told them to come get there crap out of my house, There liers and the stupidest CSR's I've talked too. I'll stick with D* I can wait for all there going to have to offer. :yippee:
What did they lie about and what did you hate about it?
Was it a bad installer experience, that kind of thing happens with both companies, and neither one of them have a good CSR rep from what I've read.
These kind of arguments for Direct don't make allot of sense to me, statements like "I'll stick with D* I can wait for all there going to have to offer." or the people that are telling me I will be going with Direct in another year or 2 anyway so I should just go ahead and pay the $300 and get in now suffering with less HD content I'll watch just in the hopes Direct will give me more in 12-24 months. Doesn't make sense to me. Its not like I'll be in a contract till I die with Dish, if Direct is a better solution for me next year or 2 years down the road then I just shut off Dish and order Direct right?

madsedan
06-17-2005, 07:47 AM
I cam in looking for any legit reasons why I should choose Direct over Dish, I'm not getting many at all.

Spicy Mikey
06-17-2005, 08:50 AM
Madsedan, it seems like you've been given lots of data to make a decision. What are you looking for from everyone on this forum? It's true you've gotten a lot of opinion, but you've also been given facts.

- DirecTV doesn't have as many HD channels as Dish
- DirecTV has a better sports package then DISH
- DirecTV AND Dish make lots of promises but there's no guarantees for the future.
- Cable is offering more and more options everyday but it varies by location so you need to do research on that one first.

My recommendation on this thread from the first page was to not listen to promises from any of the vendors since the industry is in transition. Go with the deal that costs the least, gives you the most, and requires the least committment, right NOW. To me, that sounds like DISH right now (eventhough I use DirecTV) but you have to make the call. No one's going to be able to give you a diffinitive answer since there is none to give.

Good luck with whatever decision you make.

hitdog042
06-17-2005, 09:18 PM
You sound like you made your decision a long time ago. If you want Dish, just go get it.

If you don't like sports, then it doesn't matter. If you like sports, DTV is the only system out there that delivers, period. But as I said, if you don't buy the NFL package anyway, your question is moot.

You can go digital cable and get the same thing dish offers.