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2 DVRs multiple TVs

dan10101
02-16-2009, 07:10 PM
Ordering/installing DirecTV this week.
Since we've become spoiled with Dish DVR, I ordered 2 DirecTV HD DVRs with the new system.

After lurking for a couple weeks, I answered most of my questions, but I still have a couple new user questions.

I have a diagram of what I'm hoping to do as far as TV/DVR connections. That may change depending on which units I get and what connections are on them. (anyone have a picture of the back of one of these units?)
Basically run splitters off the back of each of the DVRs and feed the signal to the 'extra' TVs. In some cases I'll need to run analog or coax to the TVs as they are not HDMI.
I also want the DVR in the bedroom so that we can view shows in the living room. I understand long HDMI cables are not a problem. It's not a real long run.

Which HD DVR are they shipping these days? 21,22,23?
What does the 23 give me that the 22 doesn't?
Do they all have On Demand downloads?

Are the latest HD DVRs remotes from DirecTV RF and IVR? Do I have to ask for a RF remote?

(wish I was close enough to get U-verse! But I think this will do nicely)
Friday is a long way away...

GforU
02-16-2009, 09:30 PM
(anyone have a picture of the back of one of these units?)

In some cases I'll need to run analog or coax to the TVs as they are not HDMI.

I also want the DVR in the bedroom so that we can view shows in the living room. I understand long HDMI cables are not a problem. It's not a real long run.

Which HD DVR are they shipping these days? 21,22,23?
What does the 23 give me that the 22 doesn't?
Do they all have On Demand downloads?

Are the latest HD DVRs remotes from DirecTV RF and IVR? Do I have to ask for a RF remote?


http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadgethd.com/media/2008/09/9-14-08-directv_hr22.jpg

There is no coax output on these DVR's, but you could either split the component or HDMI. Component is very easy to split and with the signal almost the same quality.

Another thing to keep in mind is these are different from Dish that you can only view one thing on each DVR at a time, not two like Dish.

Here are a few sites for great cable options.
http://www.svideo.com/
http://www.optimization-world.com/
http://www.yourcablestore.com/

You will probably receive an HR22 or 23, but I'm sure Glennb1 will pipe in and tell you that you'll get a refurb unit. Any HD DVR you would get is ready for On Demand. You will need to hook in ethernet, power line adapter, or wireless game adapter from you high speed connection. The 22 and 23 are very similar the only big difference is the BBC converters are in the box on the 23 and you would not have it outside on the back of the box like the 22, but if you get SWM that doesn't apply anyways. The hard drives are the same size and some people would argue some other differences, but not much.
If you are not getting an SWM install I would call back and have it added to your order.

All these boxes are coming with RF remotes and you don't have to request them.

dan10101
02-17-2009, 03:17 PM
Thanks for the info it helps fill in the blanks.

I received an order confirmation document today and it lists the following.

3LNB - SL3S

I was thinking I need the 5LNB, but I gleaned this info from another thread. So, it's ok?

"If you order the HD upgrade thru DIRECTV you'll get whatever the installer brings. You don't get to pick dishes or HD DVRs from a catalog.
You only really need the 3LNB slimline dish now, but if the installer brings the 5 LNB slimline it'll still work just fine."

So from this can anyone tell if I'm getting a SWM install?

dan10101
02-17-2009, 05:16 PM
Technology is changing so fast I"m not sure what's real or not. I'm Lost! (or Heros or other confusing TV show.)

This quote is from a thread last year this time.
"The 5lnb receives all the new mpeg 4 channels - all the new HD that Directv has been touting. Without the 5lnb, all you get is a handful of mpeg2 channels."
--- and ---
"The 3-lnb can see satellite positions 101, 110, & 119. The 5-lnb can see 99, 101, 103, 110, & 119. The current set of national mpeg4 HD channels are at 103, and the next mpeg4 HD satellite will be at 99"

Do I need to call and insist on a 5LNB?

dan10101
02-17-2009, 05:37 PM
Do I need to call and insist on a 5LNB?

I called, she said they were had a 5LNB slimline on their order. She also said that SWM was on an AS-Needed basis. So if the installer thinks it's needed, then that's what I get. I wonder if an Andrew Jackson will help him decide.

Dan (Talking to himself)

GforU
02-17-2009, 05:46 PM
Technology is changing so fast I"m not sure what's real or not. I'm Lost! (or Heros or other confusing TV show.)

This quote is from a thread last year this time.


Do I need to call and insist on a 5LNB?

People are misinformed about the new 3LNB Slimline, it does see all the satellites you need. It doesn't get the mpeg2 channels, but you don't need these because they are duplicated in mpeg4.

dan10101
02-17-2009, 07:23 PM
Well, that would be me. Misinformed.
Thanks for helping to clear things up. I'll just sit back and wait for high-def to come to me.

justinbwill
02-17-2009, 08:18 PM
Well, that would be me. Misinformed.
Thanks for helping to clear things up. I'll just sit back and wait for high-def to come to me.


As far as SWM... DTV came out and said any new install with HD would be SWM, now they came out and said it had to be atleast a 5 receiver system. (Makes no sense becuase if they had 5 receivers it's pretty common 1 or 2 would be dvrs, then SWM wouldn't work).

So it's a coin flip. I can tell you that I have extra SWM stuff on my truck that I can use in certian situations... so if your tech is half way smart they will also have some extra SWM stuff that will not hurt them to use even if your work order doesn't have SWM on it.

Good luck tho....

Just give him 20 bucks and if he says he can't, then just tell him the next SWm service call he goes on to write off the LNB, splitter, and power insterter. =) That's how we get extras to use when a KAKU 2 line DVR is next to impossible to install.

texasbrit
02-17-2009, 08:28 PM
(Makes no sense becuase if they had 5 receivers it's pretty common 1 or 2 would be dvrs, then SWM wouldn't work).
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Just to be accurate. If there were five receivers and two were DVRs that would only be seven tuners and that would work fine with SWM

EDIT: Also the DirecTV blastfacts to installers says the SWM will only be used for new installs of five TUNERS or above, not five receivers.

dan10101
02-17-2009, 08:32 PM
Thanks for the tips.
I'll let you all know what I end up getting.
Dan

Toccata
02-18-2009, 08:15 AM
Just to be accurate. If there were five receivers and two were DVRs that would only be seven tuners and that would work fine with SWM

EDIT: Also the DirecTV blastfacts to installers says the SWM will only be used for new installs of five TUNERS or above, not five receivers.

So a SWM will only work with a max of 8 tuners? As in four DVRs?

If you wanted a fifth receiver (9th tuner), what would the options be?

Thanks.

texasbrit
02-18-2009, 08:45 AM
So a SWM will only work with a max of 8 tuners? As in four DVRs?

If you wanted a fifth receiver (9th tuner), what would the options be?

Thanks.

The SWM dish will only support eight tuners - period. there is no way to expand that. More than eight tuners needs one of two solutions. Eithe a conventional multiswitch installation, the WB616 which connects to the dish via four cables and gives you 16 tuners (or two WB68s in parallel, NOT cascaded) , or a multiple SWM8 multiswitch configuration - four cables from the dish, split the lines using wideband power-passing splitters, to drive two SWM8s in parallel giving 16 tuners. If you need SWM8s you will have to buy these yourself, from solidsignal or one of the other online vendors.

dan10101
02-21-2009, 02:15 PM
Well, for better or worse, here is what I had installed yesterday.
2 HR22-100. (is that a 500GB hd?)
slimline 3LNB antenna
4 cables 2 to each box.
It works fine.
I plan to connect the bedroom DVR to the Family room TV so we'll be able to watch shows recorded on that reciever on either TV.
Slingbox SD seems to work fine. I had to revert back to IR Remote to get the computer to work the remote. We'll leave the bedroom remote on RF so we can control it from the familyroom.

Tried DirecTV2PC and was able to connect and control, but gave me an error that it was busy and would not show any video. I'm a bit short on video memory according to the requirements, so I'm not sure if that is the problem. I'll try my Son's media PC when he wakes up, ( I think he was watching tv all night).

Anyway, I'm rolling in HD.
BTW, are both tuners HD? Seems that both record in HD at the same time.

Thanks for all the help.
Dan