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LCD Response Time

Halorocka888
12-09-2008, 06:04 PM
Hi y'all, asked this in my first post but it got buried fast.

I have a Sony Grand Wega 42" LCD Projection TV, and am planning on getting either a Panasonic 42" Plasma, or a Toshiba 42" LCD. Probably going to be getting the Panasonic, but just in case...

The Toshiba has an 8ms response time, with game mode... Whatever that does... And all I use my TV for is gaming, movies, and perhaps a monitor once I build a new computer.

Was just wondering, what kind of response times do LCD-Projections have, if any... and from any experienced gamers with LCD TV's, is an 8ms response time noticeable?

mobiushky
12-09-2008, 06:33 PM
I would assume that LCD projectors would have a similar response time as the flat panels, but I don't know for sure personally.

I will say this, 8ms response time means that the screen is capable of refreshing as many as 125 times per second. Essentially if you have a screaming system that can play games, you could have as many as 125 frames per second, but that would be the limit. Movies are filmed at 24 frames per second and often shown in theaters with a shutter that effectively triples the rate to 72 (actually just repeating each frame 3 times). TV is filmed in a way that makes 60 partial frames per second (interlace). So 125 per second should mean you would not even notice it. But some people (SOME people) do complain about color smearing in video games on LCDs. I don't have much trouble playing games on my LCD when I play them, but I'm not a serious gamer.

Maybe some one else can answer the projector question.

newtodef
12-09-2008, 06:42 PM
I am a serious gamer and the only games that have trouble for me are the music games they blur a liitle bit, I play mostly shooters and they are all crystal clear at a 5ms response time so 8ms can't be to far off from that, but im not an expert on this stuff I can only give you an example of my own experience.

Halorocka888
12-09-2008, 07:02 PM
I play COD4 and most FPS's on my 360, so that's what I'm really concerned with is losing that edge that I may have or have not had with my older TV.

It sounds like it doesn't matter at these speeds, however, is there anyone who is an expert or sensitive? I've seen several reviews complaining about response times and that's what really concerns me. Hate to get owned by reviews.

Halorocka888
12-09-2008, 07:44 PM
Just checked and my Samsung 19" LCD TV that i'm using as a monitor is 8ms.

Played Crysis to check... Seems instantaneous to me

Fiale
12-11-2008, 03:39 PM
I have been playing games for hours every single day for the last 11 years(I am 19!) and my eyes are at least 20/10 (maybe 20/5, it is definitely off the charts cause whenever I read the eye chart everybody's shocked!)Plus I can see a tiny bit of motion blur even on a CRT, so I think I meet the requirement of "sensitive game-player)


I recently saved up for a 40 inch LCD which has a 8ms response time. I figured hey, 8ms leaves me 125 potential frames per second, so the delay should not be an issue.

Lets say I was wrong.. I like playing old and new games, like N64 NES and such, and every thing I play or every movie I watch(even 1080p movies) there is tons of motion blur at EVERY camera or background movement, even is they're slow! For example, when I play a FPS, every single movement I make that requires the scenery or background to scroll I see a huge blur before it finally comes into focus, so constantly moving and such is useless and I cannot stand playing at all, it messes my eyes up big time. It is okay if I just stand still and aim, but I can't make any left or right movement without blurring. Scrolling games like super mario brothers or super mario world are bothersome to play.. the blur does not totally kill them, but it really messes with my eyes after a few minutes and I hate it, I play wishing it was as smooth as a CRT!

I have also played newer consoles on 480p, they seem to play a little better but FPS are still very bothersome and hinder my ability quite a bit.

So really.. I am going to assume you will run into similar issues, but take a chance if you want to, maybe you are not as sensitive and/or some tv's are better than others. Personally I think the problem is the LCD technology itself, and response time is irrelevant.CRT-quality motion is impossible, which is a shame for people like me that cannot stand heavy motion blur.

PFC5
12-11-2008, 04:00 PM
I have been playing games for hours every single day for the last 11 years(I am 19!) and my eyes are at least 20/10 (maybe 20/5, it is definitely off the charts cause whenever I read the eye chart everybody's shocked!)Plus I can see a tiny bit of motion blur even on a CRT, so I think I meet the requirement of "sensitive game-player)


I recently saved up for a 40 inch LCD which has a 8ms response time. I figured hey, 8ms leaves me 125 potential frames per second, so the delay should not be an issue.

Lets say I was wrong.. I like playing old and new games, like N64 NES and such, and every thing I play or every movie I watch(even 1080p movies) there is tons of motion blur at EVERY camera or background movement, even is they're slow! For example, when I play a FPS, every single movement I make that requires the scenery or background to scroll I see a huge blur before it finally comes into focus, so constantly moving and such is useless and I cannot stand playing at all, it messes my eyes up big time. It is okay if I just stand still and aim, but I can't make any left or right movement without blurring. Scrolling games like super mario brothers or super mario world are bothersome to play.. the blur does not totally kill them, but it really messes with my eyes after a few minutes and I hate it, I play wishing it was as smooth as a CRT!

I have also played newer consoles on 480p, they seem to play a little better but FPS are still very bothersome and hinder my ability quite a bit.

So really.. I am going to assume you will run into similar issues, but take a chance if you want to, maybe you are not as sensitive and/or some tv's are better than others. Personally I think the problem is the LCD technology itself, and response time is irrelevant.CRT-quality motion is impossible, which is a shame for people like me that cannot stand heavy motion blur.

Welcome to the forum!

It sounds like your next display should be a plasma display. ;)