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Toshiba 30HF84 vs. Sony KV30HS420

Angel9
05-29-2005, 06:26 PM
What's up guys...here's my second post about buying an HDTV today. So I've narrowed it down to two TVs.

Corner One: Toshiba 30HF84 http://www.tacp.toshiba.com/televisions/product.asp?model=30hf84

-FITS IN MY TV STAND!
-Same screen size as the Sony
-$300 more than the sony
-Not sure if it upconverts 720p, only said 480i/p on the sites.
-In a topic here about it, someone said it had better picture quality

Corner Two: Sony KV-30HS420
http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start?CategoryName=tv_27%22to32%22TVs&ProductSKU=KV30HS420&TabName=specs&var2=

-Does not fit in my TV stand but I have found a stand for $50 that will support it
-$300 Les than the toshiba
-Upconverts ALL signals to 1080i, can process normal 480i
-I have heard different opinions about it's picture opposed to the Toshiba
-Cheaper with the stand than the Toshiba all together
*EDIT*-I have also heard it has poor geometry at the top, but my stupid ass did not turn on the television when I went to Best Buy, because I was gawking at the 60" LCDs :mad:

I am really leaning toward the Sony, but I want some second opinions. Fire away guys!

*EDIT AGAIN* Both have HDMI inputs.

Angel9
05-29-2005, 07:21 PM
bump?

GUTS
05-30-2005, 12:02 PM
maybe u should wait, this years models are coming soon.

RSawdey
05-30-2005, 06:02 PM
The Toshiba has a 1080i res, as do all direct view CRTs.

Bigger would be better...

kallex
05-30-2005, 07:57 PM
;) I have a 30" Sony KV-30HS420 and am amazed every time I glance at the screen. I find nothing, absolutly nothing, wrong with it at all. My suggestion is to find a store with both and take a good look, then decide. Either one will blow your socks off.

Angel9
05-30-2005, 10:00 PM
I went to Best Buy today, which had them both on display, but for some reason the Sony looked grainy. I think this is because it was a non HD source, since it was going through every (even non-hd) tv in the store. Not a very good marketing technique...

ja2935
05-31-2005, 07:36 AM
I have the 34" Toshiba and am very pleased with it. If you get the opportunity when comparing the two side by side, see if you can:-
a) compare them with a regular standard definition signal (4:3, 480i)
b) if so, compare the stretch modes - some say the Toshiba is better.
On the Toshiba it is called Theater Wide 1, on the Sony it is called Wide Zoom. Note, Sony Wide Zoom only works for 480i/p sources. On Toshibas you can use Theater Wide 1 on 1080i/720p sources - as there is still a considerable amount of material in 4:3 format still being shown on the HD/Digital Broadcast channels where they add black bars to the sides this is a very usefull mode.
By the way the Toshiba is $50 cheaper than the Sony in hhgregg!

Angel9
05-31-2005, 08:00 AM
Does the sony upconvert 720p, 480p/i like the Toshiba does?

Cyberman
06-01-2005, 04:18 AM
Go for the Sony 30" set. I had the Toshiba 30HF84 and was sorely disappointed with its performance. I expected a better picture than from my three year old Sony Wega. It failed. I used Avia and not only was the geometry off but the colors were terrible! I tested multiple DVDs and you could see digital artifacts that were not there with my old Sony 32" set. The Tosh wasn't a defective set. It just doesn't give off a good picture. Needless to say I now have the Sony 30" HS420 and I've done the same tests with no disappointments. There is minimal change to be done right out of the box. The Tosh took several hours to get a decent picture! I'll never buy another TV that isn't a Sony.

ja2935
06-01-2005, 12:08 PM
Go for the Sony 30" set. I had the Toshiba 30HF84 and was sorely disappointed with its performance. I expected a better picture than from my three year old Sony Wega. It failed. I used Avia and not only was the geometry off but the colors were terrible! I tested multiple DVDs and you could see digital artifacts that were not there with my old Sony 32" set. The Tosh wasn't a defective set. It just doesn't give off a good picture. Needless to say I now have the Sony 30" HS420 and I've done the same tests with no disappointments. There is minimal change to be done right out of the box. The Tosh took several hours to get a decent picture! I'll never buy another TV that isn't a Sony.
How do you know it wasn't a defective set?

Cyberman
06-02-2005, 01:26 AM
Most of the bad reviews focused on the problems I experienced with the Tosh 30HF84. Problems such as bad geometry and color. It's highly unlikely that I had a defective set. It was gamble I should not have taken. Don't get me wrong about Toshibas. The picture was there, but it just didn't come to par with the Sony picture. Anyway I returned the Tosh for the Sony 30" set and I'm very happy with it. I had to pay a 15% restocking fee for returning the Tosh. That bit but well worth it in the long run.

ja2935
06-02-2005, 05:57 AM
What geometry issues did you notice? was this just through normal viewing or with a test disc? As mentioned I have the 34hf84 and with the DVE disc test pattern I noticed that my picture was shifted about half an inch off center but was essentially rectangular without any bowing of the concentric rectangles - circles were also circular. I'm sure you had good reason for returning the set and I am certainly not questioning your judgement...just curious!

Cyberman
06-03-2005, 12:52 AM
The geometry problems that I noticed with the Tosh 30HF84 was the picture was shifted too much to the left. Also there were too many vertical lines that were uneven. Some bowed in and others bowed out along the bottom. These type of problems can be fixed but shouldn't be dealt with brand new out of the box. The only complaint that I've noticed with my new Sony KV30HS420 is that the picture is also slightly shifted to the left, but not noticeable by innocent tv viewers. Obiviously a very common problem with a CRT. Everything else is great with the Sony. I will be getting digital cable with high def channels early next week. Can't wait to see how that goes.

Cyberman
06-03-2005, 12:54 AM
By the way I have been using the Avia test disc.

Cyberman
06-08-2005, 09:44 AM
I just got my digital cable with high def channels installed this morning. The high def looks fantastic on my Sony! Only one question. Does ABC and CBS not broadcast high def until later on or something? I'm looking forward to watching the Finals on ABC but I haven't seen any high def signals.

Zman1
06-08-2005, 09:58 AM
The following is a site that I use to see what is being broadcast daily in High Def..http://www.hdtvgalaxy.com/broad.html

Just click on the day link and it will tell you what is available and when..

Grey Fox
06-09-2005, 12:58 PM
The following is a site that I use to see what is being broadcast daily in High Def..http://www.hdtvgalaxy.com/broad.html

Just click on the day link and it will tell you what is available and when..
Cool. Thanks for that link Zman.