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4 x 3 HDTV, can't get digital channels without sidebars?

hoopne1
05-25-2005, 09:23 PM
I have a Toshiba Cinema Series HD 55 TV (about 3-4 years old). It's a 4 x 3 (not 16 x 9) and though I am getting great HD Pack reception, including FOX, CBS, NBC all from $9.99 rabbit ears, almost all of my non HD channels that are coming to me in digital format from DISH Network, have side bars on each side. No letterbox below, just the sides. I can click on "HD Stretch" and make it fulll screen, but I lose some PQ (Picture Quality).
Can anyone help me?
I have tried to change my TV to 1080i, but then I get letterboxing above and below everything. I've also gone into thee menu -Installation-System setup and tried all the differeent setups.

Many thanks.
Chris

Zoomvoom
05-25-2005, 10:07 PM
I believe you are speaking of SD (4x3) when viewed in HD (16X9) format. Yes, when you zoom in, when viewing SD and fill the screen you lose sharpness an definition, but that is what you used to see before HD! In other words, once you get used to HD, SD sucks! :eek:

numbskully
05-25-2005, 10:12 PM
there are two different 4:3 settings I know in the 811 if this is what you are using. have you tried both?do you use the 811?you can go to menu 6-1-9(i think) and choose tv format. I think you are saying ,you have side bars on a 4:3 tv while watching 4:3 material correct?

jergenf
05-26-2005, 06:51 AM
I think you may have to use two different inputs. For SD viewing use the s-video (480i) input and for HD and ED (1080i/720p and {480p wide screen}) use the component input and hopefully you set would display that in letterbox mode. It's a pain to have to switch your monitor's input between normal and wide but give it a try.
You can also view everything through the s-video but you'll forfeit resolution in high def mode.

RSawdey
05-26-2005, 02:34 PM
I have tried to change my TV to 1080i, but then I get letterboxing above and below everything. I've also gone into thee menu -Installation-System setup and tried all the differeent setups.


Of COURSE you get letterboxing! You have a 4:3 TV that's only semi-compatible with HDTV... it has to letterbox all HDTV since all HDTV is sent widescreen. When a digital station is sending a 4:3 upconvert in a 16:9 frame, you'll get both letterboxing and pillarboxing, leaving a 'postage stamp' image.

hoopne1
05-30-2005, 05:05 PM
My physical TV is a 4 x 3 size. I have the 811 and I can go into menu and 6-1-9 and change things but I still will either have to use "HD stretch" or view my digital (not my HD signals) with sidebars.
I currently view my HD siganls full scren in "HD normal" viewing, without much distortion. I reallize my TV is HD ready but really not a true HD TV.

My original question still is, can I get rid of the sidebars from my digital, non-HD channels?

DonD
05-31-2005, 04:40 AM
I also have an older Toshiba 55" 4/3, HD ready tv but have none of the issues you are relating. Of course, the HD channels mostly have the upper and lower bars when viewing in "letterbox" which is preferred, at least to me. Neither my 811 or 522 receivers exhibit any bars with any other channels......

RSawdey
05-31-2005, 12:33 PM
My physical TV is a 4 x 3 size. I have the 811 and I can go into menu and 6-1-9 and change things but I still will either have to use "HD stretch" or view my digital (not my HD signals) with sidebars.
I currently view my HD siganls full scren in "HD normal" viewing, without much distortion. I reallize my TV is HD ready but really not a true HD TV.

My original question still is, can I get rid of the sidebars from my digital, non-HD channels?

You need to change the setup of your STB to NOT upconvert 480i, but to pass it thru to the TV as-is.

Your 'digital (not HD signals)' = digital SDTV. Your STB is upconverting them to an HD output. All HD input signals are letterboxed by your TV, since it's the old NTSC shape.

ucrazy51
06-05-2005, 09:27 AM
New to this forum and right off the bat you solved my problem. I was also having problems with SD viewing format on my Hitachi 51" HD Widescreen. I had my 811 attached to the set with DVI connections and got great HD reception, however SD had side bars that could not be adjusted by my TV options as before. Only option was to stretch or zoom which reduced quality greatly.

I added an S-video connection from the 811 to another input and everything works fine with my SD channels. Slight inconvenience in switching inputs on TV but worth the effort.

Thanks

Great forum..... :)