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Need Advise ASAP dish coming tomorrow HD

Carter
05-12-2005, 09:44 AM
=Hello please advise and help, I am having Dish installed tomorrow. The salesman said I could add the hd package with Voom at the install time by the tech. I am getting nervous reading your posts about a second dish. Is that required because he did not mention it and didn't know about the HD plus Voom promotion and said the tech could add it when he does the programming. They also told me to get the 811 and a sd recorder, the 811 for my new Mitsubishi lcd 30 inch flat panel with DVI and the other for the old standard non-hd tv.

I am reading how good the 921 is and getting nervous. PLEASE someone advise me, should I switch to that 921? He told me they had "problems" with it and I should take the 811, but he also mentioned they make more money on the 811...please advise. I want the BEST hd picture possible of course!

rickbbb
05-12-2005, 10:17 AM
First of all,it depends on where you live.I have 3 satelite dishes on my roof.It takes 2 satelite dishes to get the regular HD package and a third satelite to face the 61.5 satelite signal for Voom.
I would be nervous too if I were you..if you live in the west coast..cause you'll need a third dish.If not in the west coast you'll need 2 satelite dishes for hd.
Call up Dish and talk to their tech department...do not talk to customer service.They know nothing...then again sometimes technical knows just about nothing too..but a bit more than customer service.They also have an advance tech department who they can connect you to after tech asks you a million questions.
Good LUCK !

callmeblade69
05-12-2005, 10:56 AM
im here in los angeles and i actually have only 2 dishes...1 for regular programming and hd pack and the other for voom programs. i get all the locals in hd through an ota. so all in all i have only 2 dishes and an ota. never really needed the third one since all i could get on the other dish is cbs-hd and i could get that thru the ota (hd of course). all you could do now is pray that the tech whos coming to install it would be knowledgeable enough to give you what you really need.

Carter
05-12-2005, 11:10 AM
WOW I can't say thank you enough. I called Dish and found out yes I do need 2 dishes. I called the local retailer/installer and they did not even know that. Hopefully now they will come prepared, and it costs 100 dollars more. Better now than tomorrow, Friday, at 5:00. ...I would like to know if the dish is the same or different, the installers didn't know and are checking it out. If it's different, they probably don't have any. DO you know?

rbinck
05-12-2005, 11:15 AM
Dish Network has an elliptical dish that will get the 110 and the 119 satellites. If that is what you have now, they will need to add another dish for the 61.5 bird where the Voom programming is.

Many people ended up with two dishes for HD because the installer added a second dish to cover both the 110 and the 119 satellites rather than switch the dish out to the ellipitical. Even some new installations have two dishes due to dish availability. Sometimes the ellipitical is hard to come by.

In your PM to me you mentioned that someone suggested you get a 811 and a SD DVR. I would not do that. I would go for a HD DVR even with the potential problems. Again some suggestions are supply orentented rather than any other reason. HD DVR may be in short supply right now since there are many Voom customers going to Dish Network. Once you get hooked on those "crappy" Voom originals, they are hard to do without.

monkey2020
05-12-2005, 11:18 AM
You need a dish with a single lnb. I used a dish 500 and swapped the twin lnb for a single lnb. I have one dish for 119/110 and one dish for 61.5. The voom channels come in perfect. I live by the Monterey Bay area.

rickbbb
05-12-2005, 11:30 AM
Malibu and Pacific Palisades has no off air HD signal available..That is why I have 3 satelite dishes..because with two satelite dishes(Dish network said and in THIS forum people have said) I would no longer be able to receive some of the channels I subscribe to if one of my 2 satelites was facing 61.5..example..no CBS HD and no shopping channel and no Spanish channels..and others.

Carter
05-12-2005, 11:46 AM
Here's what the installer owner told me now.

He said he could do the Superdish to cover it all, but it would cost 200 dollars and that in his opinion it isn't worth it because of the following:

He said Voom will be integrated into the main satellite signal by the end of summer, and that the 200 dollar charge for the bigger dish is not worth it therefore.

He also said I can upgrade to the dvr 942 later, which would be ok since it's the same up charge then as now.

Opinions please!

rickbbb
05-12-2005, 12:34 PM
:confused: I also heard that Dish is planning to intergrate the Voom signal.Still,originally before I had Voom installed on the 3rd dish...I needed 2 dishes to receive all of my high definition channels(excluding Voom).
I think what the person meant was the Dish 1000.Because the Super Dish came out in 2003 and was not what Dish expected it to be.It was a FLOP. A big mistake!Unless Dish recently improved it..I doubt the super dish will be the dish of choice.
The Dish 1000 yes..Super Dish no..unless they renamed Dish 1000..the Super dish.

Carter
05-16-2005, 11:25 AM
Well I got installed and it IS the superdish, not a 1000. It's working though. I am getting all the high def at 720p, which is nicer on my Mitsubishi LCD than the 1080i and the sound and all is great.

I want to know what you guys think about the dvrs for HD, I keep reading they are trouble, but who (meaning I don't) wants to watch a movie without interruption?

Please advise?

jergenf
05-16-2005, 12:38 PM
I want to know what you guys think about the dvrs for HD, I keep reading they are trouble, but who (meaning I don't) wants to watch a movie without interruption?

Please advise?
I got the 921 last December and overall very happy with it. The best things are two HD tuners and recording at full HD quality. There are a few quirks with this model but so far it hasn't been as bad as some people have experienced (but maybe I'm just lucky). So far reboot restores everything back to normal.
If you can get the 942 for $250 lease option you might consider that.
The MPEG4 receivers are suppose to be arriving by year end and Charlie Ergen says that the receiver replacement for HD customers will be as painless as possible. Not sure how many dollars he considers to be painless but if it's "some" then ouch!

josem3
05-19-2005, 05:34 PM
I 'll will go to HD DVR 942. Two tuners is better than one(921).
I don't have any problem with my HD dvr 921. I'm very happy with my 921 after it download the most recently software.
Good look with you 942. :yippee:

tdeluce
05-19-2005, 05:42 PM
I got Dish installed yesterday: The way to get Voom channels
and not pay $100 is to turn the Voom channels after install.
But you will need to qualify for local channels for them to
istall a dish pointing at 61.5

I live in Orange County, CA. I have two (2) Dish 500 dishes
on my roof. I get everything except the International channels.
I got the 941 HD DVR which gives me HD in my HT and SD
in my office. I can record two channels, and have two other
playing at the same time. HD PIP works - receiver is the
best on the market that I have seen! PQ of Shark Tale in HD
last night blew me away!

HD looks great ( some of the Voom channels look
quite a bit softer than the other HD ). HD PAK
channels and HBO HD and Showtime HD look stunning
and much better than most of the Voom channels did
on Voom - I suspect Voom using more compression.

Best regards,

Tony

Zoomvoom
05-19-2005, 06:33 PM
Well, I heard some rumours that all the old equipment will be outdated by the new mpeg4 standard, so I opted for the free 811 HD receiver rather than pay $250 for the 942 HD DVR. Now I hear some talk that things will be incorporated with the current mpeg2 until the number of HD stations make it obsolete :confused:, so I am not sure I made the most HD advantagous decision???

Oh well, I don't record that much anyway. It would be fun if I saw something worth watching more than once, but I think I can be patient to wait until everything updates to the mpeg4. The Rainbow 1 satellite that E* bought from Voom/Cablevision was the first to broadcast the mpeg4 but I've heard that E* will probably use it for broadband internet rather than make their current equipment obsolete. DirecTV is supposed to be launching their own mpeg4 sattelites this summer, but the news is that they will mostly be used for local HD channels. So I don't know, but I think the 942 is usable for the short run, maybe a couple of years, if recording is important for your needs, but for my desires, I can't see paying $250 (NEW SUBSCRIBER price) let alone $599 for HD recording that may be obsolete in 2 to 3 years. Is there another opinion?

RX8
05-20-2005, 09:32 AM
I just had my directtv turned off and the dish local retailer told me they would use the directtv dish to get the voom signal. An option for some maybe?

Zoomvoom
05-20-2005, 11:31 AM
Hey RX8, are you a zoom-zoomer too?

I have a Mazda RX8, and enjoy it more than watching HDTV! :yippee:

I used my old Voom dish to get the 61.5 channels for a while, but I had to switch the cable on the back of my receiver back and forth because the DishPro switches didn't work with the Voom LNB. They had to change the LNB and it was the same charge whether they swapped the dish or not. The installer used a 500 dish with twin LNBF so maybe I might be able to pick up the other Rainbow 1 satellite if they use it in the future.

RX8
05-20-2005, 01:38 PM
Hey RX8, are you a zoom-zoomer too?

I have a Mazda RX8, and enjoy it more than watching HDTV! :yippee:

I used my old Voom dish to get the 61.5 channels for a while, but I had to switch the cable on the back of my receiver back and forth because the DishPro switches didn't work with the Voom LNB. They had to change the LNB and it was the same charge whether they swapped the dish or not. The installer used a 500 dish with twin LNBF so maybe I might be able to pick up the other Rainbow 1 satellite if they use it in the future.

Yes indeed. Nordic Green 04. Love my 8 and the wife has a Mazda 6S sedan. So far both a joy. RX8 Forum. If you haven't checked it out you should. Lots to learn on there and mostly good people. Sorry to hijack the thread. If you would like to know more about the forum or anything nonhd related email me at [email protected]

swade
05-20-2005, 03:12 PM
First of all,it depends on where you live.I have 3 satelite dishes on my roof.It takes 2 satelite dishes to get the regular HD package and a third satelite to face the 61.5 satelite signal for Voom.
I would be nervous too if I were you..if you live in the west coast..cause you'll need a third dish.If not in the west coast you'll need 2 satelite dishes for hd.
Call up Dish and talk to their tech department...do not talk to customer service.They know nothing...then again sometimes technical knows just about nothing too..but a bit more than customer service.They also have an advance tech department who they can connect you to after tech asks you a million questions.
Good LUCK !

Actually I'm in Sacramento CA and only need two but I do not get CBS HD feed which is extra and I understand it needs a 3rd dish.

Maybe East coast gets a better signal but not only will the voom antenna not work but an older Dish 500 antenna will not work either. AT least for me this was the case.

Wade :eek:

swade
05-20-2005, 03:20 PM
I got the 921 last December and overall very happy with it. The best things are two HD tuners and recording at full HD quality. There are a few quirks with this model but so far it hasn't been as bad as some people have experienced (but maybe I'm just lucky). So far reboot restores everything back to normal.
If you can get the 942 for $250 lease option you might consider that.
The MPEG4 receivers are suppose to be arriving by year end and Charlie Ergen says that the receiver replacement for HD customers will be as painless as possible. Not sure how many dollars he considers to be painless but if it's "some" then ouch!


I like the 942 but I don't like the fact it is blocked from recording two channels at once if they are OTA.

I suspect that by leasing and having their service agreement, that a deal for upgraded equipment will be had a lower expense than those with out this. After all, they want you to use the technology and pay the rent for the new channels.