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No EPG for OTA locals - any options?

rtvtom
05-05-2005, 05:47 AM
Besides of course paying for your NTSC locals (which is an unacceptable solution) it is extremely lame that Dish receivers capable of receiving off-air signals will not display EPG information for those channels.

Stations broadcasting in ATSC are already automatically broadcasting EPG (program guide) information as part of their signal. If you can see the channel, then the EPG info is reaching your receiver. It is ridiculous that Dish receivers do nothing with this information and that all they display is "digital service" in their guide for those channels. It is also ridiculous that this "digital service" block is several hours long, they could at least break it into two-hour blocks. If you want to use your DVR default of "stop at end of event" you'll max out your DVR drive and erase other shows.

Even if Dish for some reason can't find a way to decode the OTA EPG info (which all cheap stand-alone ATSC receivers can already do since day one) and diaplay it in their grid, they should at least set it up so that if a station you're using is also sold through dish, that it will populate the OTA channel's info by matching the name off the call letters. The dash-one channel is always the same as the analog, so this simple name-match solution would work and provide most people with listings for the main dash-one channel.

Even the 6000-series receivers from 5 years ago would AT LEAST let you select a network affiliation for OTA locals, and would then display at least primetime listing from each network.

Is there any workaround? Is there a way to make a receiver display channels you're not paying for for EPG purposes at least? I don't care if they're red...

I was very surprised by this major shortcoming with the Echostar equipment, does anyone know if DirecTV's HD boxes have this flaw too?

GRN
05-05-2005, 11:23 AM
That's very presumptuous to lay the problem solely at DISH's feet. Why? Because I have an 811 and get all my HD locals OTA with program info in the EPG. So either your particular DISH receiver is not working or your stations are indeed having problems with their PSIP info.

mrb627
05-05-2005, 12:43 PM
My 921 receiver gets the program guide without a problem. It's hanging on the the picture that is a problem. :rolleyes:

MRB

rtvtom
05-05-2005, 06:25 PM
My local PSIP info works, as I stated before, my cheap standalone Sylvania receiver displays local EPG info just fine. GRN and MRB -- do you happen to be paying for your locals (NTSC SD versions) as well? Maybe it only cross-references them if you buy the Dish provided versions? Anyone else get it to work on a 942 specifically? The Dish "Advanced Tech Support" people said it won't work, but they seemed rather clueless... I hope they're wrong and someone can help me to get it straightened out.

jergenf
05-06-2005, 09:25 AM
My local PSIP info works, as I stated before, my cheap standalone Sylvania receiver displays local EPG info just fine. GRN and MRB -- do you happen to be paying for your locals (NTSC SD versions) as well? Maybe it only cross-references them if you buy the Dish provided versions? Anyone else get it to work on a 942 specifically? The Dish "Advanced Tech Support" people said it won't work, but they seemed rather clueless... I hope they're wrong and someone can help me to get it straightened out.
I believe the PSIP does work for the 811 but not for 921 or 942. My old 5000 would display guide info during primetime for ABC, NBC and CBS but not my new 921. They could have kept at least that feature.
You're right there's no excuse for not providing guide info for digital stations. They could have at least segmented the guide blocks with titles even if they couldn't supply the detailed information about the program. It's possible that it was done deliberately to encourage local subscribtions because many people (like MRB) are buying into it.
There are web sites that supply digital and analog guide info for free. But reguardless we'll just have to set manual recordings for OTA digitals for 921 and 942 owners.

philcragg
06-09-2005, 02:31 PM
I get OTA stations from both Baltimore and Wash, DC. Only the Wash, DC OTA stations have guide info. I also get the Wash, DC locals from Dish.

I think you are right about the cross referencing.

numbskully
06-09-2005, 06:37 PM
I get OTA stations from both Baltimore and Wash, DC. Only the Wash, DC OTA stations have guide info. I also get the Wash, DC locals from Dish.

I think you are right about the cross referencing.

I concurr (sp) I believe you must sub to locals.

foosnake
06-10-2005, 03:28 PM
My conversations with tech support confirm that PG info is not presently in order on every 942. They are working on a software update to solve the problem and expect a fix in 4-6 weeks (Ha-Ha!) They tell me that the 942 does not use PSIP, but PCP and they are going to write some code to make it backward compatable with the "old" information coming from the stations.

Since I was, at one time (prior to 2.25 update) receiving PG info for 1 of the seven stations in the area, I know that this is a load of horse manure. As previously stated, they don't have a clue. :(