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PS3 Games Using Only 30% of System's Power?

eHDMI
08-07-2008, 06:04 AM
According to the folks at Naughty Dog, it's estimated that Uncharted only taps about 30 to 40 percent of the PS3's total power. If true, that's mighty impressive...

Hope this is not a repost! Sorry if it it :)

Source (http://www.gamedaily.com/articles/news/ps3-games-using-only-30-of-systems-power/?biz=1)

EddieDZ
08-07-2008, 07:37 AM
i think the majority of us kinda knew this info already.. with every new console the first and 2nd generation of games for it never use more then 50% of what its capable of ... this goes for ps2, ps3 and xbox and 360.

awol
08-07-2008, 08:50 AM
I do remember Kojima saying that with MGS2 he had completely tapped the PS2 for all it could do. People got really worried that if that was the best and so early in it's lifecycle, then what would happen from there.

But someone (can't remember which developer) explained it like this. You have a jar. You fill the jar with rocks. You've maximized the available space with rocks. Then someone comes along and sees all the space still there. So they put rocks and pebbles in. Then the next person adds sand, then the last person adds water.

Some have said that God of War was the sand. God of War 2 was the water for the PS2. So who knows what the PS3 could finally be capable of??

ssjLancer
08-07-2008, 08:55 AM
I dont know about 360. Looking at its best looking games we got Kameo>Banjo and GoW>GoW2
Not a huge difference.

Like the PS2 I think the PS3 will see the biggest difference over the years. The difference is already pretty dramatic with Resistance compared to R2 and Killzone 2.

EddieDZ
08-07-2008, 09:12 AM
I dont know about 360. Looking at its best looking games we got Kameo>Banjo and GoW>GoW2
Not a huge difference.

Like the PS2 I think the PS3 will see the biggest difference over the years. The difference is already pretty dramatic with Resistance compared to R2 and Killzone 2.

very good point...

GLOW
08-07-2008, 09:16 AM
The original Xbox never got a big graphical leap over its lifespan. Halo 2 was IMO the best looking Xbox game and it wasn't much of an improvement over the original Halo (which was a launch title).

As for the PS2, look at launch title SSX and compare to God of War 2. HUGE leap.

railven
08-07-2008, 09:22 AM
I do remember Kojima saying that with MGS2 he had completely tapped the PS2 for all it could do. People got really worried that if that was the best and so early in it's lifecycle, then what would happen from there.

But someone (can't remember which developer) explained it like this. You have a jar. You fill the jar with rocks. You've maximized the available space with rocks. Then someone comes along and sees all the space still there. So they put rocks and pebbles in. Then the next person adds sand, then the last person adds water.

Some have said that God of War was the sand. God of War 2 was the water for the PS2. So who knows what the PS3 could finally be capable of??

That Hideo is always saying something like "this is the best it can do."

MGS3 was better looking in my opinion over MGS2, and supposedly he tapped out with MGS2.

What a goon!

awol
08-07-2008, 09:26 AM
That Hideo is always saying something like "this is the best it can do."

MGS3 was better looking in my opinion over MGS2, and supposedly he tapped out with MGS2.

What a goon!

Exactly! He went and put some sand in the jar.

GLOW
08-07-2008, 09:27 AM
That Hideo is always saying something like "this is the best it can do."

MGS3 was better looking in my opinion over MGS2, and supposedly he tapped out with MGS2.

What a goon!

It should be noted that MGS2 ran at 60fps while MGS3 ran at 30.

railven
08-07-2008, 09:27 AM
Exactly! He went and put some sand in the jar.

I'd say Ico to Shadow of the Colessus (sp?) is like filling the gaps with water.

EddieDZ
08-07-2008, 09:35 AM
and thus was(one) my reason for purchasing a ps3.. i can only imagine 5yrs from now how the games will look... *falls off his chair at work* .. it was the same with ps1 and ps2 and will follow with the ps3.

Cygnus
08-07-2008, 09:55 AM
Aye, leave it to Lance-alot to troll. Sorry but I rather go by the words of 3rd party developers than 1st party...since they are less drunk from the kompany kool-aid ;)

I dont know about 360. Looking at its best looking games we got Kameo>Banjo and GoW>GoW2
Not a huge difference.

Like the PS2 I think the PS3 will see the biggest difference over the years. The difference is already pretty dramatic with Resistance compared to R2 and Killzone 2.

awol
08-07-2008, 10:06 AM
Aye, leave it to Lance-alot to troll. Sorry but I rather go by the words of 3rd party developers than 1st party...since they are less drunk from the kompany kool-aid ;)

I don't know, who better to make that statement than a developer who has extensive knowledge of the architecture?? I see your point, but in all reality Sony's first party devs are going to have the most inside access to the system.

KEEBS1984
08-07-2008, 10:18 AM
I dont know about 360. Looking at its best looking games we got Kameo>Banjo and GoW>GoW2
Not a huge difference.

Like the PS2 I think the PS3 will see the biggest difference over the years. The difference is already pretty dramatic with Resistance compared to R2 and Killzone 2.

Typical PS3 fanboy tripe...

First of all Resistance > Resistance 2 is not leaps and bounds above in the graphical department. I've seen all the HD trailers and videos and I have played and beat the original. It's better but it's not like "holy shit." The graphics are still very much the same...

Second, my guess is that you haven't played Kameo at all because if you had you'd know that the graphics in that game and the ones shown off for Banjo are HUGE. Kameo could almost be a late Xbox gen game and Banjo is one of the best looking games I have seen this year.

Third, Gears of War and Gears of War 2 does have significant leaps in the graphics department. However, I'll let IGN.com argue my point for me, seeing as how they gave GoW2 the best graphics award at E3 above KZ2, Resistance 2, and every other game that appeared there.

http://games.ign.com/articles/893/893833p4.html

Scroll half-way down the page.

Although just to state my personal opinion on Gears of War 2, from what I have seen, it does look very similar to Gears of War. Much like Resistance 2 looks much the same as Resistance . I just really felt the need to throw your crap back at you... :lol:

Cygnus
08-07-2008, 10:53 AM
OK but... First party devs release how many games in a given year when compared to 3rd party devs? Thus, I prefer that 3rd party devs have equal opportunity to take full advantage of hardware instead of waiting for a quality 1st party game, or else you may experience the nintendo syndrome... Additionally its in sony's best interest to have 3rd party devs up to speed on PS3 by now...rite? Besides I fail to see the huge difference between Res1 and Res2, except for multiplayer...

I don't know, who better to make that statement than a developer who has extensive knowledge of the architecture?? I see your point, but in all reality Sony's first party devs are going to have the most inside access to the system.

EddieDZ
08-07-2008, 10:53 AM
didnt KZ2 get best graphical award for E3 this year? theres even a thread someone on here about it.... .. or maybe the awards where per console?

awol
08-07-2008, 11:00 AM
OK but... First party devs release how many games in a given year when compared to 3rd party devs? Thus, I prefer that 3rd party devs have equal opportunity to take full advantage of hardware instead of waiting for a quality 1st party game, or else you may experience the nintendo syndrome... Additionally its in sony's best interest to have 3rd party devs up to speed on PS3 by now...rite? Besides I fail to see the huge difference between Res1 and Res2, except for multiplayer...

Actually, no, for this generation of hardware I don't think it is in Sony's best interest for 3rd party devs to be as capable as it's first parties. We've already seen that most 3rd party releases are going to be largely multi-platform, especially now that more devs are getting ther heads around the PS3 architecture. So if it's exclusives that drive hardware sales, then it would be in Sony's best interest to have the absolute best looking games possibly achievable on the PS3 from their first party devs. Devs that will NOT be releasing that same great looking/playing game on 360. The same goes for MS's internal studios such as Rare. Granted we'll always have one-offs like Gears of War and MGS4. And up until recently Final Fantasy. But I think those will be the exception. Not the rule.

GLOW
08-07-2008, 12:17 PM
Typical PS3 fanboy tripe...

First of all Resistance > Resistance 2 is not leaps and bounds above in the graphical department. I've seen all the HD trailers and videos and I have played and beat the original. It's better but it's not like "holy shit." The graphics are still very much the same...

Second, my guess is that you haven't played Kameo at all because if you had you'd know that the graphics in that game and the ones shown off for Banjo are HUGE. Kameo could almost be a late Xbox gen game and Banjo is one of the best looking games I have seen this year.

Third, Gears of War and Gears of War 2 does have significant leaps in the graphics department. However, I'll let IGN.com argue my point for me, seeing as how they gave GoW2 the best graphics award at E3 above KZ2, Resistance 2, and every other game that appeared there.

http://games.ign.com/articles/893/893833p4.html

Scroll half-way down the page.

Although just to state my personal opinion on Gears of War 2, from what I have seen, it does look very similar to Gears of War. Much like Resistance 2 looks much the same as Resistance . I just really felt the need to throw your crap back at you... :lol:

Yet you never feel the need to throw crap back at 360 fanboys :rolleyes:. Maybe you're too scared to.... And how about criticizing the Wii for once maybe? Or are you THAT blind of a Nintendo fanboy?

Resistance 2 and Gears 2.... I admit, not too big of a graphical leap over their predecessors, but look at the online for Resistance 2... this is why Resistance 2 got awards for best online of E3. 4 player co-op, 60 player MP. Sorry, Gears 2's online doesn't even come close to that...

GLOW
08-07-2008, 12:19 PM
didnt KZ2 get best graphical award for E3 this year? theres even a thread someone on here about it.... .. or maybe the awards where per console?

Yes, they won best graphics from Gametrailers. Also, Resistance 2 won best online game at E3.

KEEBS1984
08-07-2008, 12:23 PM
Yet you never feel the need to throw crap back at 360 fanboys :rolleyes:. Maybe you're too scared to.... And how about criticizing the Wii for once maybe? Or are you THAT blind of a Nintendo fanboy?

Resistance 2 and Gears 2.... I admit, not too big of a graphical leap over their predecessors, but look at the online for Resistance 2... this is why Resistance 2 got awards for best online of E3. 4 player co-op, 60 player MP. Sorry, Gears 2's online doesn't even come close to that...

Who the hell is talking about online? Nobody... this is a discussion about graphics not features. To be honest, I don't care about online for either of these games.

Your right, though, I never criticize either of the other consoles. I just hate Sony and want them to fail. :rolleyes: Despite, you know, my openly calling LBP the best looking game I have ever seen, or the fact that I was the one who wrote and got the sticky for the Xbox 360 failure thread in this section. Or how about when I openly called Nintendo's E3 presentation a pile a garbage? I guess those things just never happened in your memory... :banghead:

Bottom line, SSJ said something that wasn't true and I threw it back in his face. Fuckin deal with it... :what:

Cygnus
08-07-2008, 12:25 PM
I think it was Insomniac or one of sony's 1st parties mentioned that they planned to reach out to 3rd parties so they can make better PS3 games. So they agree with me on this one ;) Its important now more than ever that sony has a positive relationship with 3rd parties. I read about this a few months ago. If u want I can find it later...at work now

Actually, no, for this generation of hardware I don't think it is in Sony's best interest for 3rd party devs to be as capable as it's first parties. We've already seen that most 3rd party releases are going to be largely multi-platform, especially now that more devs are getting ther heads around the PS3 architecture. So if it's exclusives that drive hardware sales, then it would be in Sony's best interest to have the absolute best looking games possibly achievable on the PS3 from their first party devs. Devs that will NOT be releasing that same great looking/playing game on 360. The same goes for MS's internal studios such as Rare. Granted we'll always have one-offs like Gears of War and MGS4. And up until recently Final Fantasy. But I think those will be the exception. Not the rule.

EddieDZ
08-07-2008, 01:40 PM
yes, i believe it was insomniac that you are refering to cygnus..

awol
08-07-2008, 02:08 PM
I think it was Insomniac or one of sony's 1st parties mentioned that they planned to reach out to 3rd parties so they can make better PS3 games. So they agree with me on this one ;) Its important now more than ever that sony has a positive relationship with 3rd parties. I read about this a few months ago. If u want I can find it later...at work now

I'm not discounting the fact that Sony needs to work with the 3rd party developers. If they get to the point of frustration that results in them no longer developing for PS3 at all, then that's no good. I never said that Sony or it's 1st party devs shouldn't be working with 3rd parties.

What I'm stating is it is in Sony's best interest to develop the best looking and playing games possible as exclusive titles for the console. Otherwise, there's no specific reason to purchase a PS3. I'm not saying that 3rd parties shouldn't be able to produce a stellar release for the PS3. But I don't see where they're going to have access to all the ins and outs like a first party would.

Your original point was that you'd like to see 3rd parties make this kind of statement about the abilities of the PS3. How can they? They don't have the inside track like the 1st party devs do. This is not to say that 3rd parties shouldn't be able to make this statment. Just that it's not going to be as likely due to reasons I've already pointed out.

railven
08-07-2008, 03:56 PM
I think it was Insomniac or one of sony's 1st parties mentioned that they planned to reach out to 3rd parties so they can make better PS3 games. So they agree with me on this one ;) Its important now more than ever that sony has a positive relationship with 3rd parties. I read about this a few months ago. If u want I can find it later...at work now

It was Insomniac and they said they were making more tools for 3rd party developers to use to make coding on the PS3 a easier.

This doesn't always translate to better games, just easier kits to use.

Sony and Insomniac are each working on separate tool kits, Insomniac's Nocturnal and Sony's Phyrre Engine. These kits are designed to lure in more 3rd party developers to use the PS3 as the lead console.

I agree with you, Sony needs to up their 3rd party relations as Microsoft is doing a hell of a job getting support (buying or not, they are winning that race.)

ssjLancer
08-07-2008, 04:09 PM
Aye, leave it to Lance-alot to troll. Sorry but I rather go by the words of 3rd party developers than 1st party...since they are less drunk from the kompany kool-aid ;)Factor 5 said the same thing about the PS3.
Anyways 3rd party developers will always be limited by the least powerful console for multiplatform gaming(360)
If it turns out the PS3's best looking games are from 1st party developers then so be it. This doesnt make the original claim less true.

Typical PS3 fanboy tripe...

First of all Resistance > Resistance 2 is not leaps and bounds above in the graphical department. I've seen all the HD trailers and videos and I have played and beat the original. It's better but it's not like "holy shit." The graphics are still very much the same...Guess you didnt see the footage of the city monster.

Second, my guess is that you haven't played Kameo at all because if you had you'd know that the graphics in that game and the ones shown off for Banjo are HUGE. Kameo could almost be a late Xbox gen game and Banjo is one of the best looking games I have seen this year.My guess is that you havent played Banjo.

Third, Gears of War and Gears of War 2 does have significant leaps in the graphics department. However, I'll let IGN.com argue my point for me, seeing as how they gave GoW2 the best graphics award at E3 above KZ2, Resistance 2, and every other game that appeared there.

http://games.ign.com/articles/893/893833p4.html

Scroll half-way down the page.

Although just to state my personal opinion on Gears of War 2, from what I have seen, it does look very similar to Gears of War. Much like Resistance 2 looks much the same as Resistance . I just really felt the need to throw your crap back at you... :lol:Gametrailers has a comparison of GoW1 and 2. Looks the same except GoW1 is more grey, while 2 is more yellow.


Really though, arent you guys always saying how the PS3 is so hard to develop for, the architecture is so different etc. If thats so, it only makes sense thats alot more of it is unlocked over the years compared to the 360.
You guys cant have it both ways.

KEEBS1984
08-07-2008, 04:31 PM
Guess you didnt see the footage of the city monster.

Yes, I did and it looked very good, but it didn't look much better than Resistance looked, just bigger.

My guess is that you havent played Banjo.

You'd guess correctly... so tell me, going by your same logic, just how good is that Resistance 2 gameplay? :rolleyes: Oh that's right you haven't fucking played it... hypocritical BS.

Gametrailers has a comparison of GoW1 and 2. Looks the same except GoW1 is more grey, while 2 is more yellow.

Apparently it was good enough for IGN to think it deserved the best graphics technology award for this year's E3... Not much mroe to say about it than that.


Really though, arent you guys always saying how the PS3 is so hard to develop for, the architecture is so different etc. If thats so, it only makes sense thats alot more of it is unlocked over the years compared to the 360.
You guys cant have it both ways.

First off, complicated in no way means that the graphics will be better. The Sega Saturn is a perfect example of this. Every game developer complained about how hard it was to develop for, and yet even the best Saturn games looked like low end N64 and PS1 games.

Second, I don't say shit about the architecture. I am neither a programmer nor a game designer so I wouldn't know. I do know that there are developers who DO say that. Maybe you should talk about this with them and not me.

Finally, I don't deny that the PS3's graphics will evolve and develop over time. However, I was merely pointing out your outright lies and bullshit that you were spewing earlier about the 360.

Don't lie and I won't be forced to expose your BS so much lancer. :o

MikeRox
08-07-2008, 04:34 PM
The original Xbox never got a big graphical leap over its lifespan. Halo 2 was IMO the best looking Xbox game and it wasn't much of an improvement over the original Halo (which was a launch title).

As for the PS2, look at launch title SSX and compare to God of War 2. HUGE leap.

Yeah the original Xbox never really took any visual leaps as such. Certainly none as dramatic as Ridge Racer V (most visually impressive launch racing game IMO) compared to the likes of Burnout 3: Takedown and Burnout Revenge.

Even just using the burnout series, you can see the immense improvements renderward delivered on the format between 2001 and 2006. Burnout 1 ran at 60fps and looked alright, Burnout 2 got the environments spot on, but the car models didn't seem right, Burnout 3 improved the environments further and got the vehicles looks spot on, then Burnout Revenge dumped some fantastic lighting into the mix.

I think we've already seen "leaps and bounds" on the 360. I was amazed how "dated" Dead Rising looks when I went back to it the other week.

railven
08-07-2008, 05:09 PM
Yeah the original Xbox never really took any visual leaps as such. Certainly none as dramatic as Ridge Racer V (most visually impressive launch racing game IMO) compared to the likes of Burnout 3: Takedown and Burnout Revenge.

Even just using the burnout series, you can see the immense improvements renderward delivered on the format between 2001 and 2006. Burnout 1 ran at 60fps and looked alright, Burnout 2 got the environments spot on, but the car models didn't seem right, Burnout 3 improved the environments further and got the vehicles looks spot on, then Burnout Revenge dumped some fantastic lighting into the mix.

I think we've already seen "leaps and bounds" on the 360. I was amazed how "dated" Dead Rising looks when I went back to it the other week.

I dunno.

I agree we saw Leaps and Bounds from launch to Gears of War. But I'll say we didn't see much leaps and bounds since. Halo 3 wasn't much of a leap if only the best lighting engine on the 360, but to get it - the overall package suffered.

NG2 wasn't leaps and after getting my ass handed to me by enough god damn zombie ninjas I'd say it was visually the same with Sigma if not a few better lighting effects.

And Bioshock was a leap, but not much bound as it was still the Unreal Engine.

Gears of War 2 might, might, be a leap and bounds but everything I've seen I'm convinced to give more detail and polygons to the environments they used more bitmapping on the main characters versus polygons.

But I'll wait for the release before I jam my foot in my mouth.

The PS3 has had even less but in my opinion more change between. From awful ports to frame-rate broken 1st parties to Uncharted and MGS4.

So far on the PS3 I don't think anything tops MGS4. To bad the frame rate isn't constant.

ssjLancer
08-07-2008, 05:10 PM
Yes, I did and it looked very good, but it didn't look much better than Resistance looked, just bigger.
Bigger is better.

You'd guess correctly... so tell me, going by your same logic, just how good is that Resistance 2 gameplay? :rolleyes: Oh that's right you haven't fucking played it... hypocritical BS.Youre the one that said you shouldnt make comments on games you havent played. Not me.
(even though I have played kameo)

Apparently it was good enough for IGN to think it deserved the best graphics technology award for this year's E3... Not much mroe to say about it than that.And if it was Gears of War 1 they would give that the best graphics award.

First off, complicated in no way means that the graphics will be better. The Sega Saturn is a perfect example of this. Every game developer complained about how hard it was to develop for, and yet even the best Saturn games looked like low end N64 and PS1 games.Thats great but youre comparing between different systems. Not between saturn games so that doesnt say anything about potential.

Second, I don't say shit about the architecture. I am neither a programmer nor a game designer so I wouldn't know. I do know that there are developers who DO say that. Maybe you should talk about this with them and not me.Yes they do say that. And I agreed with it. Where did I say I didnt?

jusHD
08-07-2008, 05:57 PM
Yeah ummm.... 1up(egm), gamespot, and gamepro gave it to the PS3 not GOW2. So I guess the one IGN vote means more.

Type A
08-07-2008, 07:13 PM
And Bioshock was a leap, but not much bound as it was still the Unreal Engine.

Sorry, I know its OT, but do you know if Bioshock 2 is getting a new engine?

railven
08-07-2008, 07:20 PM
Sorry, I know its OT, but do you know if Bioshock 2 is getting a new engine?

Info on BS2 is limited. The game hasn't even been officially announced yet from what I've remember reading.

Only a probable concept art and the leaks from the Take Two meetings.

I doubt it, there isn't a cross platform engine at the moment that beats out the Unreal 3 Engine. If anything, expect some more on screen objects but not a major bump in visual presentation.

I'd predict more mood setting tweaks.