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NPD: PS3 sales spike on MGS4

GLOW
07-21-2008, 11:44 AM
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6194691.html

US VIDEO GAMES INDUSTRY - JUNE 2008
Software: $872.6M (+61%)
Hardware: $615.1M (+54%)
Accessories: $202M (+25%)
Total Games: $1.69B (+53%)

TOP-SELLING HARDWARE - JUNE 2008
Nintendo DS--783,000
Wii--666,700
PlayStation 3--405,500
PlayStation Portable--337,400
Xbox 360--219,800
PlayStation 2--188,800

TOP-SELLING SOFTWARE - JUNE 2008
Title / Publisher / Release Date / Units*
1) Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots (PS3) / Konami / 774,600
2) Guitar Hero On Tour (DS) / Activision / 422,300
3) Ninja Gaiden II (Xbox 360) / Microsoft / 372,700
4) Wii Fit w/ Balance Board (WII) / Nintendo / 372,700
5) Wii Play w/ Remote (WII) / Nintendo / 359,100
6) Battlefield: Bad Company (Xbox 360) / Electronic Arts / 346,800
7) Mario Kart Wii w/ Wheel (WII) / Nintendo / 322,400
8) Lego Indiana Jones: The Original Adventures (WII) / LucasArts / 294,500
9) Lego Indiana Jones: The Original Adventures (DS) / LucasArts / 267,800
10) Lego Indiana Jones: The Original Adventures (PS2) / LucasArts / 260,300

* Figures include Collector's Editions and instrument bundles, but not hardware bundles.

Mase
07-21-2008, 12:09 PM
It makes me sad to still see a game on the PS2 in the top 10 :(

But congrats to MGS4 for being number 1, especially with games like Wii Fit and Lego Indiana Jones which have a much broader audience than MGS4..

MikeRox
07-21-2008, 12:17 PM
If it's anthing like here in Europe, the only reason Wii Fit isn't at no1 is because Nintendo didn't physically make enough units.

It debuted at no1 in the UK, then week 2 wasn't even in the top 40 :lol: it's back at no2 atm a few shipments later.

Unlike GTA4, MGS4 clearly was a system seller, looks like Sony may have picked the right title to ensure didn't slip onto 360. It's going to be intersting to see if it's a 1 month spike, or the start of something bigger happening in the market (what with Nintendo also dethroning the 360 in the US at long last).

Mase
07-21-2008, 12:46 PM
Mike I honestly think the rapid sales of the Wii are a bad thing for gamers..

Reason being is Nintendo doesnt think they need to make changes or get 3rd party devs involved in getting better quality games for the Wii. I think if sales were not as good as they are, The big N might take some time and start getting more solid titles made or aquired rather than let the vast ammount of crap be released like it is now..

I am not saying the Wii = crappy games but holy hell do they have a ton of them.. I think in the Wiis short run they have more crappy rushed games than both the 360 and PS3 combined.. With sales the way they are whats to make Nintendo do something about it?

Ntruder
07-21-2008, 02:20 PM
This marks only the 3rd month ever that the PS3 has outsold the Xbox 360 in a single month. Yay. :rolleyes:

http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/NPD_Seventh_generation

Cygnus
07-21-2008, 02:38 PM
It may also be the first time PS3 has had the top selling game, not that june is known for big selling games. Sony may have to rethink their stance on not needing 3rd party exclusives ;)

ssjLancer
07-21-2008, 03:12 PM
This marks only the 3rd month ever that the PS3 has outsold the Xbox 360 in a single month. Yay. :rolleyes:

http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/NPD_Seventh_generation4th month.. and yes 4 out of the 6 months so far this year is really bad for MS since everywhere else in the world Sony is 6 for 6. Last year Sony had a 1 million lead in sales in europe, and a 1 million lead in Japan. MS was able offset that with North american sales... what are they gonna do this year since at best it seems MS will match PS3 sales.

Pinoy
07-21-2008, 03:18 PM
This marks only the 3rd month ever that the PS3 has outsold the Xbox 360 in a single month. Yay. :rolleyes:

http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/NPD_Seventh_generation

I count 4 months, with one more month being only separated by 900 consoles. More importantly for Sony is that two of those (and the one near tie month) are the last 3 months running. Still a looooong way to catch up for Sony in North America though :lol:

mshulman
07-21-2008, 06:52 PM
4th month.. and yes 4 out of the 6 months so far this year is really bad for MS since everywhere else in the world Sony is 6 for 6. Last year Sony had a 1 million lead in sales in europe, and a 1 million lead in Japan. MS was able offset that with North american sales... what are they gonna do this year since at best it seems MS will match PS3 sales.

What isn't known though is how many of he consoles are bought for games and how many for blu-ray? I know there are a lot of people (like myself) that have bought it and don't really buy any games. MY PS3 games make up less than 1% of the 360 collection.

Either way, Sony is selling them but it still muddies the picture when comparing Blu-ray player sales or Console sales since the PS3 can be bought by someone wanting either.

AlphaLog
07-21-2008, 07:27 PM
What isn't known though is how many of he consoles are bought for games and how many for blu-ray? I know there are a lot of people (like myself) that have bought it and don't really buy any games.

Haha, this is like the Bizarro PS3 Format War arguement. Reshaped to now apply to the console war. ;)

mshulman
07-21-2008, 08:26 PM
Haha, this is like the Bizarro PS3 Format War arguement. Reshaped to now apply to the console war. ;)

True. It does apply in both situations though. And its probably only going to get worse when comparing gaming sales since the PS3 is still one of the best valued blu-ray players out there.

railven
07-21-2008, 09:04 PM
True. It does apply in both situations though. And its probably only going to get worse when comparing gaming sales since the PS3 is still one of the best valued blu-ray players out there.

Just look at the attach rates, in the US xbox360 leads by ~3 games. When you compare the library size, of 3:2, it doesn't look too awful for the PS3, and then factor in install base of which is closer to 3:1 in favor of the Xbox360.

Devs want to sell games, that's why they are going multiplatform this generation. As much as all the analyst and PR spin things up, aside the Wii - this generation of consoles is selling poorer than last generation. The PS2 had a greater attach rate than the 360 at this point in its life span.

Production costs are too high, exclusives are going to be mostly 1st/2nd party this generation. Microsoft is lucky they can cash in on the Games for Windows sector, or their profits wouldn't be as braggable, and the same goes for Sony with the PS2.

Ntruder
07-22-2008, 12:18 AM
4th month.. and yes 4 out of the 6 months so far this year is really bad for MS since everywhere else in the world Sony is 6 for 6. Last year Sony had a 1 million lead in sales in europe, and a 1 million lead in Japan. MS was able offset that with North american sales... what are they gonna do this year since at best it seems MS will match PS3 sales.

Woops, my bad, I missed May 2008.

to the Xbox's credit, its been in somewhat of a game slump since GTA IV, which wasn't really a system seller.

railven
07-22-2008, 04:59 AM
Woops, my bad, I missed May 2008.

to the Xbox's credit, its been in somewhat of a game slump since GTA IV, which wasn't really a system seller.

Did you read the article about how both systems, PS3/360, are sort of at a sales slump. Even with MGS4+GTAIV+Blu-Ray, the PS3 isn't moving that fast compared to the PS2. While the Xbox360 is close to outselling the Xbox1, considering the year start with no competition and the strong library it should have already outsold it. If it's pace continues it will outsell the Xbox1 probably in Q1/Q2 of 2009, but at that point it will be on the market roughly 2 Quarters behind the Xbox1.

The PS2 set a high curve, and only the Wii is matching or exceeding it.

MikeRox
07-22-2008, 05:29 AM
Woops, my bad, I missed May 2008.

to the Xbox's credit, its been in somewhat of a game slump since GTA IV, which wasn't really a system seller.

Wasn't Ninja Gaiden 2 meant to be one of the 360's big exclusive 2008 titles?

MikeRox
07-22-2008, 05:30 AM
Mike I honestly think the rapid sales of the Wii are a bad thing for gamers..

Reason being is Nintendo doesnt think they need to make changes or get 3rd party devs involved in getting better quality games for the Wii. I think if sales were not as good as they are, The big N might take some time and start getting more solid titles made or aquired rather than let the vast ammount of crap be released like it is now..

I am not saying the Wii = crappy games but holy hell do they have a ton of them.. I think in the Wiis short run they have more crappy rushed games than both the 360 and PS3 combined.. With sales the way they are whats to make Nintendo do something about it?

Thats because it takes a lot more money to produce a 360 or a PS3 title really. The Wii is "port happy" from the PS2. There is a lot less risk involved with a Wii title. I agree though there is some absolute shite out and coming out for the Wii. 3rd party stuff is starting to improve on the whole though IMO.

Ntruder
07-22-2008, 11:00 AM
Did you read the article about how both systems, PS3/360, are sort of at a sales slump. Even with MGS4+GTAIV+Blu-Ray, the PS3 isn't moving that fast compared to the PS2. While the Xbox360 is close to outselling the Xbox1, considering the year start with no competition and the strong library it should have already outsold it. If it's pace continues it will outsell the Xbox1 probably in Q1/Q2 of 2009, but at that point it will be on the market roughly 2 Quarters behind the Xbox1.

The PS2 set a high curve, and only the Wii is matching or exceeding it.

Thats thanks to a strong dollar and strong economic growth.

-The White House

Ntruder
07-22-2008, 11:02 AM
Wasn't Ninja Gaiden 2 meant to be one of the 360's big exclusive 2008 titles?

Nah, Ninja Gaiden 2 is a niche game, appealing to the top 10% of the most hardcore gamers. Its just not made for most people, too hard.

MikeRox
07-22-2008, 11:25 AM
Fairy snuff, I just remembered it being thrown around quite a lot as one of 2008s big must have 360 games. I'm become el' cheapo gamer. I wait for things to drop in price now.

(My latest purchases have been Sega Rally, Dark Sector, Assassins Creed, Forza 2 and Project Gotham 4 all on 360 and I havn't paid more than a tenner for any of em :lol:)

Ntruder
07-22-2008, 11:41 AM
Fairy snuff, I just remembered it being thrown around quite a lot as one of 2008s big must have 360 games. I'm become el' cheapo gamer. I wait for things to drop in price now.

(My latest purchases have been Sega Rally, Dark Sector, Assassins Creed, Forza 2 and Project Gotham 4 all on 360 and I havn't paid more than a tenner for any of em :lol:)

I personally think NG2 is a must have, but its not for everyone. It kicks you while you're down, spits in your face, and sometimes even pisses on you. Its not for everyone.

DeadmeatHD
07-22-2008, 01:22 PM
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=19495

http://www.gamasutra.com/images/divnich_0708/eedar-projections.gif

Pinoy
07-22-2008, 02:01 PM
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=19495

http://www.gamasutra.com/images/divnich_0708/eedar-projections.gif

Way to go! Showing projected outcomes instead of the actual results :yippee:

EddieDZ
07-22-2008, 03:11 PM
slightly old news, but none the less impressive to say the least (maybe not god-like impressiveness but oh well). .. considering that MGS4 came out half way through month june and it sold that many (not including the bundle packs).. i wonder what the NPD july numbers will be like..

II SAL II
07-22-2008, 03:14 PM
slightly old news, but none the less impressive to say the least (maybe not god-like impressiveness but oh well). .. considering that MGS4 came out half way through month june and it sold that many (not including the bundle packs).. i wonder what the NPD july numbers will be like..
im sure they went down. after word of mouth got around on just how bad this game is, im sure it impacted its sales.

Type A
07-22-2008, 03:24 PM
Great to see good ps3 news...if you think for one moment I want just M$ providing hd gaming, youve been smoking...:lol:

MikeRox
07-23-2008, 05:49 AM
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=19495

http://www.gamasutra.com/images/divnich_0708/eedar-projections.gif

Christ, Wii selling 2x as much as Deadbox (did u see what I did there? :D) again? Microsoft might as well do what you said Sony are doing and give up on the games business, it's clear nobody wants their system.

Cygnus
07-23-2008, 09:12 AM
Looks like you are correct. MGS4 sales plummetted precipitously each week since its launch.

GTAIV 360 GTAIV PS3 MGS4
--------- --------- ---------
Week 1 3,338,629 2,424,258 1,446,795
Week 2 888,999 602,077 419,913
Week 3 451,877 304,966 180,206
Week 4 279,421 209,767 120,866
Week 5 198,705 149,294 62,523


im sure they went down. after word of mouth got around on just how bad this game is, im sure it impacted its sales.

railven
07-23-2008, 09:21 AM
Looks like you are correct. MGS4 sales plummetted precipitously each week since its launch.

GTAIV 360 GTAIV PS3 MGS4
--------- --------- ---------
Week 1 3,338,629 2,424,258 1,446,795
Week 2 888,999 602,077 419,913
Week 3 451,877 304,966 180,206
Week 4 279,421 209,767 120,866
Week 5 198,705 149,294 62,523

Holy craps, look at the drop for GTAIV, that game must be freaking AWFUL!!!! Worst Game ever, no? Anyone agree?

GTAIV Week 2: 360- ~25% of Week 1, PS3- ~25% of week 1
MGS3 Week 2: ~30% of Week 1

Damn! You guys are reaching, keep reaching! To say "hurr hurr, bet you a game sold less on weeks after launch week" is like saying water is wet.

Cygnus
07-23-2008, 09:30 AM
The point being, MGS4, the big PS3 exclusive did not come close to selling 100K on week 5. GTA4 on PS3 sold nearly 150K in its 5th week. Besides, R* made $$ from selling GTA4 on two platforms, unlike Konami with MGS4. So its no doubt GTA4 was very profitable for them. Try not to get so defensive next time, we are talking games here...rite? ;)

Holy craps, look at the drop for GTAIV, that game must be freaking AWFUL!!!! Worst Game ever, no? Anyone agree?

GTAIV Week 2: 360- ~25% of Week 1, PS3- ~25% of week 1
MGS3 Week 2: ~30% of Week 1

Damn! You guys are reaching, keep reaching! To say "hurr hurr, bet you a game sold less on weeks after launch week" is like saying water is wet.

railven
07-23-2008, 09:39 AM
The point being, MGS4, the big PS3 exclusive did not come close to selling 100K on week 5. GTA4 on PS3 sold nearly 150K in its 5th week. Besides, R* made $$ from selling GTA4 on two platforms, unlike Konami with MGS4. So its no doubt GTA4 was very profitable for them. Try not to get so defensive next time, we are talking games here...rite? ;)

Haha, look at what you quoted too and responded, then get back to me when we actually start discussing games.

Unlike GTAIV, MGS isn't followed by everyone or the general media. Why don't you post the sales for NG2, another ZOMG exclusive for Xbox360, and I bet it doesn't fair as good as GTAIV or MGS4.

EDIT: You going to make the same comment about Tecmo as you did Konami? Judging by their current finacial situations, they need all the money they can get.

EddieDZ
07-23-2008, 09:48 AM
Looks like you are correct. MGS4 sales plummetted precipitously each week since its launch.

GTAIV 360 GTAIV PS3 MGS4
--------- --------- ---------
Week 1 3,338,629 2,424,258 1,446,795
Week 2 888,999 602,077 419,913
Week 3 451,877 304,966 180,206
Week 4 279,421 209,767 120,866
Week 5 198,705 149,294 62,523

source? ... numbers are slightly different according to vgchartz http://vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=6970 (week 5 117k)

konami has already profited from mgs4, the game has sold like 2.5mill already in a one month period. konami said they needed to sell 1mill to break even. and this isnt even including bundle versions. but like with ALL games, sales always start to slowly decrease over time.

Cygnus
07-23-2008, 12:31 PM
Wow so suddenly MGS4 is now a niche title... :lol: Nice! :rolleyes:

MikeRox
07-23-2008, 03:29 PM
Haha, look at what you quoted too and responded, then get back to me when we actually start discussing games.

Unlike GTAIV, MGS isn't followed by everyone or the general media. Why don't you post the sales for NG2, another ZOMG exclusive for Xbox360, and I bet it doesn't fair as good as GTAIV or MGS4.

I was gonna post this but you've saved me the trouble.

Why are we comparing GTA 4 total sales figures to MGS4? You are comparing the best selling game of last gen, to a high profile (but on a completely different level below in popularity) game. Add in the 2nd platform and it's hardly to be anything but expected surely? Personally, I think MGS4 performed better and had a bigger impact on the PS3 than I expected.

ssjLancer
07-23-2008, 03:42 PM
Wow so suddenly MGS4 is now a niche title... :lol: Nice! :rolleyes:Do you have MGS3 numbers by any chance?

Not a niche title.. but youre crazy for comparing MGS to GTA. As far as franchise power goes its like..
1.Wiifit
2.Halo/GTA
3.Zelda/Mario
4.MGS

railven
07-23-2008, 06:12 PM
Wow so suddenly MGS4 is now a niche title... :lol: Nice! :rolleyes:

Wait, you're saying MGS is a massive mainstream game? Holy crap, where have I been!?

I thought MGS was enjoyed only by a select few. Maybe not as niche as NG2, but definitely not as mainstream as a Mario game.